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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 14 2013 07:26 shirokami wrote: says a guy who wanted to waste vigshot to a miller. explain why your playstyle is so different this game then if you have nothing to hide. As town you had no qualms being lynched but now you suddenly care? | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 1 wagons With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch. ObviousOne[L-8]: Promethelax, HiroPro WaveofShadow[L-7]: Blazinghand, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet[L-8]: chaoser, slOosh Oatsmaster[L-9]: WaveofShadow prplhz[L-9]: VayneAuthority, VayneAuthority[L-9]:VisceraEyes Day 1 ends Wednesday, May 15 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) if no majority is reached | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Hbrlxz.png) pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
@chaoser My play is going to shock you. It will be either abysmally bad or stellar and you won't know which until post-game. This is the state of my game since you've been away. Arguably you could call that "abysmally bad all the time", in which case no it hasn't changed much. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Im awake. WoS is a dumbass/everyone who called me scum of super insanely good 180 is a dumbass. WoS is gonna fakeclaim something/actually claim something. I bet its like doc. VE what do you think of sloosh? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster. I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1: On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch. There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2: From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote: In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3: False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". On May 14 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote: You may, good sir. My opinion in general of Rayn is that he is a pretty tunnely guy...people call his play good but I honestly never quite see it. He tends to be pretty aggressive and when he's got someone in his sights as town he is very reluctant to let that read go and will post constantly attacking said person. I haven't seen much of that Rayn this game, though he may be starting to latch onto Vivax as we speak? Not sure. There are things about his play, however that make me think he's town that I am not allowed to mention yet again, sigh. I will go with town for now. Not to put you on the spot or anything, but this would be a good time to mention said unmentionables. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote: How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all. On May 14 2013 01:57 slOosh wrote: Oats do you think WoS is scum or not? Please don't ignore me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
thanks for pointing out ze questions. Its a bad vig shot cause DP totes town. Its a bad scum shot cause they could pressure DP to waste part of the day, but since instant majority and since DP pretty good at mafia, they decided to off him. Therefore. Bad vig shot, okish scum shot. At this point, I dont like how WoS keeps repeating that we wont lynch him, which makes me think he is gonna claim something as indicated above. Claim then WoS. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
And Sloosh, I can't mention said unmentionables because ongoing game. Look at stuff Prom said about it; he's looked stuff up. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 14 2013 10:50 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not claiming shit. And Sloosh, I can't mention said unmentionables because ongoing game. Look at stuff Prom said about it; he's looked stuff up. so how do you know that you wont get lynched? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote: It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote: how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. bleh. Choose a dude. Point out 2 things that make him scum. GOOO | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 14 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote: bleh. Choose a dude. Point out 2 things that make him scum. GOOO if thats directed at me prplhz 1. On May 13 2013 06:11 prplhz wrote: @kitaman27 Hey! How's your stance on this whole miller thing? Why isn't Viscera "MostActiveGuyInMafia" Eyes around? Direct question at kita, adds to my suspicion since he threw VisceraEyes in there who is also bugging me now. Viscera is either a PR or mafia not sure which yet. 2. On May 14 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote: @slOosh You suck  what the hell is that? out of nowhere and then sloosh starts talking a little later...are they in communication or what? so confused by this post. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The second point is not alignment indicative, just ignore it. Why is the question scummy and not someone asking an experienced player what he thinks? | ||
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