Carnival Cruise Mafia - Page 33

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On May 14 2013 20:36 prplhz wrote:
I don't know. I'd rather kill HiroPro than WaveofShadow for now.

On May 14 2013 21:02 Promethelax wrote:
I don't like sheep though. I'd prefer he has reads of his own and vote for himself. If he just want to suck up to me I get it, I'm pretty awesome but I can't read him if he spends the whole game with my balls in his mouth.

On May 14 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
what association reads WoS? You aren't helping yourself by being vague. Point out where there are association reads and why they are wrong if you can, where I'm sitting you look really happy to attack a strawman.

On May 14 2013 18:17 Vivax wrote:
The loaded questions SlOosh mentions are strong points in favor of scumRayn.

I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people:

I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town.
But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10.

Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that.

A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats.

On May 14 2013 19:32 Vivax wrote:


Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town.

On May 14 2013 16:01 Vivax wrote:

Waffle of Shadow

1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged.

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2. No scumreads, just trolling, defending and talking about irrelevant stuff. (Source: His filter)

What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit:



Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that.

If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset:

Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality?
AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself.







All these points can be interpreted this way:
WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches.

It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart.

BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this:



In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies.

AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post.
Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts.

Vote scum, vote this waffle

On May 14 2013 23:11 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, WoS, this is what I want you to do. Go reread the thread the whole way through. When you come back give me a new scumspect with new reasoning. Show me your thought process in detail. If you really are town take this as a chance to prove it instead of bitching about people thinking you are scum.