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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
May 14 2013 15:16 GMT
#681
WoS what do you think made BH so confident that you're scum?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:20 GMT
#682
You know, for a lynch that BH and people are so 100% sure of, I sure don't have a lot of votes on me.
Hey Prom! Where your vote at?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:21 GMT
#683
On May 15 2013 00:16 Vivax wrote:
WoS what do you think made BH so confident that you're scum?

Are you....are you kidding me?
I've talked about this multiple times, this is more proof that you guys just don't fucking care what I have to say.
Go ahead and lynch me already if you dare.

##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote: WaveofShadow
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:22 GMT
#684
At least this way if I die you guys will all shut the fuck up about me and find some real goddamn scum.
All you sheep, fucking put up or shut up so the game can REALLY begin.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:30 GMT
#685
Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...

I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.

WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:32 GMT
#686
On May 15 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Oats, come back and play. Who is scum (not WoS)? Why is that person scum?

Im lazy.

dont want to play.

At the moment though, ummm VE totes scum cause he hasnt posted a shitton.
Rayn too Im suspicious of.

Everyone else that has more than 2 pages of filter is town for now.


Dude, you aren't doing anything. What the fuck is this?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 14 2013 15:33 GMT
#687
On May 15 2013 00:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 15 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Oats, come back and play. Who is scum (not WoS)? Why is that person scum?

Im lazy.

dont want to play.

At the moment though, ummm VE totes scum cause he hasnt posted a shitton.
Rayn too Im suspicious of.

Everyone else that has more than 2 pages of filter is town for now.


Dude, you aren't doing anything. What the fuck is this?

This is horrible totally correct gut reads. dont question the gutreads.
On a another note, I really hate general questions.
No gg, No skill.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:34 GMT
#688
okay so give me your totally correct gut reads on every player. One sentence reason for each.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22307 Posts
May 14 2013 15:37 GMT
#689
Lol Prom
such a drill instructor
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:38 GMT
#690
lol, I don't like people fucking off in my town.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:42 GMT
#691
On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote:
Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...

I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.

WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.

OOOOO now things get interesting. Alright well help me a couple things regarding Oats then. You mention him saying DP was vigged is what makes you think he's town. Why? There are a couple things that have me doubting my read but I want to hear your justification first.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:48 GMT
#692
I believe that both night kills were from scum (a game this size having less than 2 kp for scum would be really odd unless a lot of it is conditional or something) since I believe that and Oats' post felt like genuine shock that a vig would hit DP I think it is what we call in the business a 'townslip'

Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot.

I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 14 2013 15:51 GMT
#693
im going to vote for WoS. I read his filter and it looks like he is panicking. Not super confident in this vote however.
##vote WoS
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 14 2013 15:52 GMT
#694
##vote WoS
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 14 2013 15:55 GMT
#695
grush57: Starsenses. Town.
slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town
kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum
raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum.
strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town.
sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum
kitaman27: dead
Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town.
Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know.
Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town.
shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude.
VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce).
prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky.
ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town.
WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum.
Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass.
HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep.
Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town.
VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null.
chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum.
DarthPunk: ded
No gg, No skill.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
May 14 2013 15:55 GMT
#696
Kush, oh Kush, what do you think about people who aren't WoS? What looks like panicing from WoS? Why does panicing make someone scummy?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 14 2013 15:56 GMT
#697
have fun reading guys
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:58 GMT
#698
On May 15 2013 00:48 Promethelax wrote:
I believe that both night kills were from scum (a game this size having less than 2 kp for scum would be really odd unless a lot of it is conditional or something) since I believe that and Oats' post felt like genuine shock that a vig would hit DP I think it is what we call in the business a 'townslip'

Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot.

I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was.

That's what I figured the reason was but I wanted to hear you explain it. I guess I don't but much faith in 'townslips' as other people do because assumptions like that don;t seem to do me any good.

Now as far as my problems with Oats being scum:
1) It's basically impossible for Oats and BH to both be scum given their voting. It is possible I suppose for them both to be town. I find both to have done scummy things (whether you think it's OMGUS or not) so I am struggling with this given their behaviour.
2) Oats pickup of Vivax's mistake. This is WIFOM but thinking about it now the mistake was glaringly obvious so maybe a towncred grab rather than town analysis of case?
3) The scumread of VE---I share his problem with VE's lack of activity yet I also know that scum know people will call VE out on this as they do every game. (people know lazy VE = scum VE)

I can't figure out if the town side or scum side of these things is more likely or not.
The rest of his play looks scummy to me, especially the quick flip-flop vote only adding rationale later. This is similat to what BH and Vivax have done regarding voting me except they actually put effort into trying to cook up their post-hoc rationale.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 14 2013 15:59 GMT
#699
Prom a question for you.
Why, despite the fact that you were one of the principle factors involved in my scrutiny, did you not toss a vite on me at any point in time?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 14 2013 16:00 GMT
#700
On May 15 2013 00:55 Promethelax wrote:
Kush, oh Kush, what do you think about people who aren't WoS? What looks like panicing from WoS? Why does panicing make someone scummy?

Not sure what to think of other people because I haven't filtered anyone else.
scums are more likely to panic.
Panicking is indicated by posting frequency and emotionality.
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