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On May 15 2013 01:03 Promethelax wrote:
Because I have my vote on OO and based on his lurking I rather like staying it there. Where votes are when we are so far from lynching doesn't matter, we're not near deadline we're not near L-1 on anyone my vote could be on Tommy The Fireman and it wouldn't matter. All anyone I'm pressuring needs to know is that I am willing to lynch them and have the sway with this town to do so. My vote can be anywhere and it doesn't matter to the pressure, note how you've felt pressure without my vote on you?
I certainly have but I have seen the opposite be true in that mafia will often pressure but not vote for fear of their target flipping and they be implicated.
In keeping up with my attitude this game I almost want to taunt you based on your perceived thoughts that you can get me lynched but at this point there is no need to re-ignite scum favoured mislynch fires when we're finally beginning to look at different tracks whether or not we change them.
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On May 15 2013 01:42 shirokami wrote:
if wos is town i want to lynch rayn.
because rayn said wos is town.
lol really Shiro? Not even gonna bother with this.
I had some questions for you:
On May 15 2013 00:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 04:37 shirokami wrote:
@Rayn
um I think its because im trying to play without a notepad this time and play based on reading a fuckton of filters and trying to just make an image of the game inside my head.
the votes are on atleast 1 scum at the moment, just trying to think who that is.
I dont like Oats or WoS at the moment. Shiro: You went from OO and Oats to me and Oats to just me. Do you like Oats more right now? Do you think we are bussing? For someone who has professed to be around more this game you haven't done much.
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On May 15 2013 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Please quicklynch WoS so we basically waste a day if he is town(hes not) and we dont really find his scumbuddies if he is scum(he is).
byeeee
Oh and sorry for triplepost but I don't understand how this post is supposed to be helpful in any way.
We're not lynching me today and that's that.
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@WoS
I never went from OO and Oats to you and oats and then just you, rayn asked what I thought about OO and Oats so I answered.
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On May 15 2013 01:52 shirokami wrote:
@WoS
I never went from OO and Oats to you and oats and then just you, rayn asked what I thought about OO and Oats so I answered.
Ok, but the questions still stand.
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bussing who? and no I dont like him more, I just like you less.
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sorry im bad with these cool words like totes, bussing, OMGUS and WIFOM.
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On May 15 2013 01:58 shirokami wrote:
bussing who? and no I dont like him more, I just like you less.
Why?
'Bussing' refers to the act of mafia 'throwing other mafia under the bus' to give them town credit. Do you believe that this is what Oats and I are doing?
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First, Sloosh and your case:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet
1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum.
2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean.
3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind.
If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO:
What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO:
OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer:
On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario.
In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please.
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also shiro, tell me exactly why you think WoS is scum, and why Oats is scum.
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um I dont know. doesnt look like it.
And the reason I dont like you is that you are too hysterical. like a scum would do, shout and twitch until the rope tightens and you die. You know, the fact you are selfvoting could make some people reconsider the lynch but I think you are flipping scum.
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@rayn
Actually nevermind about you being scum if he is town, actually you can be scum even if he is scum. so bleh.
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I'm also semi-willing to lynch OO. Oats list is interesting, and it actually goes a long way toward helping me see his thought-processes. He was asked for that right? I think I remember someone asking him to make that list...maybe Prom.
@Prom
I'll look and see what you're referring to myself re: Vayne. Honestly if you're not willing to lynch it, he doesn't have enough content for me to fight you on it.
What did you think about slOosh' case on rayn?
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On May 15 2013 02:27 shirokami wrote:
@rayn
Actually nevermind about you being scum if he is town, actually you can be scum even if he is scum. so bleh.
This is a pretty townie thing to say imo.
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about WoS. the first time I started to think that he is scum was when he started metahugging @page 2 of his filter.
then it was straight line downwards in my eyes. and I agree with BH with his case.
Did I say oats is scum? um I was curious about him but he has been ok for a while.
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yeah that's all i need, shirokami is town.
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On May 15 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah that's all i need, shirokami is town.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rKpW6GM.jpg)
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VE:
What do you think of Oats' list? Anything you don't agree with in there? I can see some things that are plain out wrong just by reading the thread.
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There are 2 people who basically didn't post yet (BM/Sinani). If they show up with some shitty last minute post I'll want them dead tomorrow.
And shame on a Fin for not posting a reindeer.
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b-but even moose is more common here than reindeer.
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