On May 02 2013 21:26 Hopeless1der wrote: If a town roleblocker ever flips, immediately lynch Ace. If he flips SP, I want TRN killed for this shit out of spite. Denying Artanis the opportunity to post his case for some bullshit reason, but still asks him to just post it. TRN took longer to tell him to fuck off instead of giving him a popcorn. No one said you had to like the case, but you already have some bullshit reasons to "ignore it". I'm coming back to you when I'm through with the rest of the filters.
WAit, I was pushing for the idea of him as 3rd party and only backed off when people said we don't have any real proof! Why the fuck lynch me if he flips SP? Especially when you yourself called me town, you know thats a mislynch.
Because it doubles our remaining mislynches so we can afford to off you out of spite
You know, perhaps threatening to lynch people for stupid reasons isn't a good idea when your at L-3.
On May 02 2013 21:33 Hopeless1der wrote: Like I still want to win the game. You're not helping by telling artanis to fuck off with his BC case. He just wanted a captive audience.
And I'm here, I'm posting. He got three popcorns, and I told him I wanted him to just post it. He had his audience and he reacted in a way that made Kush no longer interested, and made me care a little bit less.
Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile:Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice.
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again?
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
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You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile:Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice.
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again?
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
Then there's this.
On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile:Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice.
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again?
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
Then there's this.
On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
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You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile:Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice.
At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy
This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game.
On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.
I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.
You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.
Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that.
BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful.
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it.
These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC?
I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.
And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him.
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??!
Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response:
On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit.
Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred.
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go.
On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go.
Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today.
On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.
I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.
The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE
Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.
Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects.
On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot.
Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him!
So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response:
On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?
I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once.
BC, what do you say to my response?
Since you're obviously here, reading.
still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however.
Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment.
So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out.
On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote.
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him.
And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one.
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool.
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active.
hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes.
Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter.
Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off"
On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.
##Vote ShiaoPi
This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found
On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times
WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read
grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments
Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:
On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas
He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses.
Yet his bandwagon:
On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though.
When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.
Tube: ???
Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since.
Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.
Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.
VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)
On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me
Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.
Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)
Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.
Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)
Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx
This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning.
WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum.
Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight.
On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again?
Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum.
He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving.
dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list.
What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!"
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
"Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that."
On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: [quote] Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game.
BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum?
On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?
I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no?
If you need a new summary
He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum
On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
What has changed?
Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.
So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left.
On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure.
HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS
Then there's this.
On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.
So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.
As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.
Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.
What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.
Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.
Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.
So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.
A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post.
BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.
I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard"
I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_-
OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again.
On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC?
And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?
And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?
And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?
And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me.
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?
I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening.
I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons.
Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations.
Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment.
Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious.
The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler
Side note, I like the case, I think it seems pretty solid But I am young and impressionable by pretty looking things. I want to wait and see someone else who is much better then me analyse it and see if they can poke any holes in it.Only reason I dislike it is because that means I'm wrong about palmar and that makes me sad.
On April 21 2013 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote: THANKS FOR MAKING ME HAVE TO READ THE DAMNED OP BH THAT WAS COOL OF YOU NOT
Sup guys I'm here and I'm very town. So whazzup?
only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored)
I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked).
On April 30 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: I will not vote for shiaopi or cc ever. I think they are both town.
On April 30 2013 10:11 kushm4sta wrote: eh ill vote shiao if he got a red check
Technically, Shiao never got a red check. He got a green check from insane cop, little bit of a slip perhaps? Kush actually semi defends Clarity by trying to descedit Ace for pushing him and then saying he will stay on Shiao, but then refuses to vote for him or CC, until a red check happens on Shiao. Why? Because he saw a chance to save Shiao after Clarity flipped.
Fast forward all of a sudden he is for no real clear reason okay with lynching palmar? Why? Go into his filter and search for it using palmar, everything he sas about him is defending him using things like this:
On May 01 2013 09:04 kushm4sta wrote: this is scum? i dont think so
On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
Ace pointed out that Shiao was likely to have put at least one of his scum team mates in his scum reads, I think its likely he put them both in the third party reads knowing that third party can look just as much like town with a little bit of misreading and no real evidence of a third party that a vigi couldn't also explain.
On May 02 2013 22:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN why are you bringing up a new case when there's a massive one that just got posted? ???
Cause it made me look at Shiao's last reads and I wanted to post it while I was still thinking about it. Plus, you didn't name a 5th scum.
Fair enough, I suggest we agree on lynching the 4th scum before we start looking for the 5th scum though. The three popcorns haven't even commented on the case yet. I don't want people to split their attention right now. Focus on BC.
On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: My thoughts upon reading the thread:
- VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE.
- ShiaoPi: This means nothing about his scumminess/innocence, but this may be why he's so inactive:
On April 22 2013 10:56 Sharrant wrote: ShiaoPi, at your earliest possible convenience I would like you to tell me how you feel about Raynepelikoneet, TheRavensName, Hopeless1nder, and one person of your choosing.
I'll accept as low as one sentence on the first 3, but whoever you choose I'd like you to write something of decent size about.
Raynepelikoneet: Nothing to see here. TheRavensName: Just some noobing around. Hopeless1nder: Also nothing of note here.
Then accuses Sharrant, who seems to be target #1 for both main suspects at the moment (I'm not counting VE cause I think it's a stupid lynch). He proceeds to hammer Oats for "being silly", when it would have been sound to wait for the hammer, so we could at the very least get more info out of Oats before he got lynched.
And now he's sort of gone. From what we've seen so far, I'm gonna say he's scum.
On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this:
On April 22 2013 11:28 Sharrant wrote: Oatsmaster, who are your top 2 lynch candidates today and why?
On April 22 2013 11:30 Sharrant wrote: Also, same thing with Yamato, which two people would you lynch right now?
This was one of Clarity's point's on Sharrant. At the time, Yamato and Oats were the top two candidates for the lynch. This isn't just reaching so that the post looks larger, this is straight up wrong, and was something that Sharrant was actually doing properly.
The other thing about him was that he supposedly lied about when he was catching up with the thread and was too quick reading. I don't think this really makes him particularly scummy, and a town or mafia could do the exact same thing. Leaning Scummy for others' reasons as well as that top post, but not for his "record-setting reading prowess". Scummy, but not as much as ShiaoPi.
- Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter.
- Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here:
On April 23 2013 06:03 Ace wrote: oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all.
On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.
He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him.
Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow.
He's just so goddamn right it gives me chills. He waffles a bit between scum(a) and scum (b) when there was reasonable suspicion to be had in pursuing WoS. Instead we get
On April 27 2013 07:57 GiygaS wrote: WoS: To be honest, I was sort of sheeping CC, and Rayne. Most of my reads are the same, and so I thought the case on WoS must have been solid. It's not. It's basically he's blending and not providing reads D1. Guess what, that's changed today, and I'm switching my read on him from mafia to town.
Promises a re-read, does it, changes his outlook. I see him giving thoughts freely in his filter despite lowish activity. I hope he finds more time for the game but I'd say hes town. Artanis[Xp]
On April 24 2013 06:57 tube wrote: Where's drazak? Inactivity should be pushed.
On April 28 2013 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nice. Was expecting this to be honest due to host leniency on the inactivity and the fact that one scum already got modkilled.
everyone gets one warning regardless of alignment
Ah, I missed the warning for Tube in the daypost. I thought he didn't get a warning, nevermind then.
Looked sincere.
His self-proclaimed apathy for replacing in and not catching up is a point for being Null. I dont see that as something to lie about or try to hide behind. Cutting that aspect of his game out and of course reading his epic case on BC, Artanis is strongly town to me by virtue of tube association. Sharrant Strongest points for townie - Destroyed mafia vigilante - Strong activity early on.
Strongest points for mafia - He's disappeared from active discussion of late. I'm attributing this to cop claim stress.
I feel like hes wrong on a massive portion of his filter, but not in a scummy way because his reasoning is laid out in most cases. Palmar vs BC
On May 02 2013 07:04 Hopeless1der wrote: Reasons palmar is likely to flip red in my eyes:
- Eager to look active by declaring Vivax town for a really stupid reason. I've been through this before, as noted by why most people accused me of being scum in the first place. - pointing out "modkillable" behavior but neglecting to follow through in any form: (from VE's filter) + Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway)
On April 22 2013 05:29 Blazinghand wrote: Marvellosity (and only marvellosity) has been removed from the game for repeated refusal to follow the rules for out of game communication and being a dick to me.
Please keep all discussions of modkills until the post-game.
Getmoript has not been modkilled.
Ok. I'll tell you how it is given BH is being an enormous megalomaniac.
geript and I had a QT made for ourselves, which we have been using quite happily. BH decided that we should use the QT that he made, because he's a power-mad weirdo.
I said we're fine with the QT that geript and I made thank you, and BH is now swinging his dick around, saying we're forced to use a QT that he made, despite the rules saying nothing about this, and despite the rules only having this restriction, which we followed:
On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Hydras: If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and Ange777 for TL Mafia LXI" so that people know what's up.
There were no such rules for out-of-game communication other than that that BlazingHand just edited in to the rules so that he'd be justified being a douchebag.
Anyway, glhf everyone!!
~marv
tbh this should result in a modkill.
It's super unfair to the mafia that he's allowed to reveal information about the nature of the hydra and how it interacts with the host that results in everyone just assuming they're town.
It's also super unfair to town if they're somehow mafia despite all this.
On April 25 2013 05:35 Ace wrote: Green font it and see if the mods make that info public.
well yeah. In my games you get modkilled for directly asking the host a question in the thread, although I guess I also run my games a bit differently. In fact, what I did, imply that I was going to ask the host a question would probably get me modkilled in my own game anyway.
So I wish I had just kept my mouth shut about it until BH clarified.
thanks BH, for explaining.
But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following?
On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable.
- case of the cba, even now in the face of the next point: - Unverified cop claim, which is now thought to be "paranoid". Grats on trying to get BC lynched for no good reason. - he's alive (so are Ace and BC, but Palmar looks worst of the vets)
I didnt really do BC or Palmar properly. I need to step out for a while so I'll try to be back in a few hours. I'll also try to read through Yamato when I'm back.
In case I die, my tl;dr
Ace - Serial Poisoner I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
On May 02 2013 11:49 Ace wrote: hopeless claim before hammer
I am but one of the simple wizard people, dear reader. I would not personally believe myself to be "Brave" and yet that is the title that was bestowed upon me by the great and all powerful Blazinghand.
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EPT
