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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 22 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: OO: Sharrant. Will be explaining in a bit, making food right now. I'm excited for this. @Ace @Palmar What do you think of TheRavensName? What do you think of Sylencia? @WaveofShadow You said before you were having trouble coming up with reads, do you have someone you would like to lynch today yet? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote: One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more. Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.) Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
- Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN telling him those games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. Still, he felt the urge to post to tell us that he didn't have the urge to post anything constructive since he felt there was no discussion? Newbies can be zealous townies, too. If some dude is an overzealous newbie who talks a lot of stupid stuff it's still much townier than someone who mentions reasons to not do anything, and then doesn't post when the discussion he felt was lacking actually started. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:43 Vivax wrote: Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:49 Vivax wrote: Still, he felt the urge to post to tell us that he didn't have the urge to post anything constructive since he felt there was no discussion? Newbies can be zealous townies, too. If some dude is an overzealous newbie who talks a lot of stupid stuff it's still much townier than someone who mentions reasons to not do anything, and then doesn't post when the discussion he felt was lacking actually started. Some players just don't post much. Point him in the direction of something worth discussing and if he still refuses we just lynch him. Difference between apathy and blatant uncooperation. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? You were very focused on the BM issue initially, but not on anything else, then asked me a question regarding BM cause I posted something similar to OO's post (wait for BM). I replied I didn't want to discuss it at that point, you asked why I discussed BM earlier if I didn't want to discuss him at that point, in a way that looked aggressive to me, as if you wanted to say that it's scummy for me to do that ,but you didn't keep up with that when I didn't answer, and then proceeded to go away/lurk or whatever you were doing. 1. It looked nitpicky. 2. Looks to me like you were bloating up the BM issue, and your interest into me and the issue itself didn't seem genuine. I don't know why you were so quick to think BM claimed miller, or why you want to lynch claimed millers. But that's not what I find alignment indicative, at most those are points I disagree with. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I already asked you once to answer me. If you are willing to continuosly ignore my questions i make my own conclusions about that. If you find that matter not worth discussing that's fine, i'm not gonna tunnel you into answering questions, there is no point in doing so. I didn't find anything else worth discussing at that point. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 22 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: What concerns me about you on this is the following: You state that there is no reason to discuss this atm, yet you are giving BM an out in the first place by discussing the matter and saying this kinda stuff: Why are you so eager to give BM the "right" answers if you want him to expalin himself? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ) | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. or this later post: On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote: If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. I did reach a conclusion about policy lynching BM: " I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is." And about millers in general: "At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim." Those are right there at the very top of my first post. I'm interested as to how you either missed that, or as to why you decided to completely misrepresent me. The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon. We obviously disagree about TheRavensName's posting so far. But you said something very strange. On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? Now see, in that quote you actually say "I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia". But wasn't part of your case on me that " It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that." So you say he is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes? I don't see how you can view him as townie while acknowledging that he is not scum hunting and still try and make the case on me that you did. Your reads do not match up. There is something wrong here. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
If he claims Miller, feel free to counterclaim. BM is the first I'd lynch to see which one is the actual miller. If BM said severus snape for "fun", he's on my red half of the list. | ||
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getmoript
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into? | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 22 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. Fuck knows if he was claiming miller, I don't know. No one knows until he tells us. But I said that it could have been a scum move. If he soft-claims miller like that it could lure out town millers, and then he could say that he posted some drunkard stuff to defend himself against their accusations of him fakeclaiming. If, on the other hand, no townie reacts to his claim, he might feel safe to fakeclaim miller for himself. You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding my post. Purpose of my post was to draw attention to BM's strange behaviour, and taking away in advance whatever malicious intentions he might have had. | ||
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