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Sharrant:
I did reach a conclusion about policy lynching BM: " I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is."
And about millers in general: "At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim."
I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM.
The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon.
So you really think it's TRN's job to find all his games to you? Do you want him to analyze them for you aswell?
Now see, in that quote you actually say "I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia". But wasn't part of your case on me that " It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that."
So you say he is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes?
I don't see how you can view him as townie while acknowledging that he is not scum hunting and still try and make the case on me that you did. Your reads do not match up. There is something wrong here.
There are a lot of players who have not done scumhunting. TRN posted a comment on the game start -> people started question him -> he went defensive. I don't see how that is scummy for a new player whose first non-newbie game this is.
My scumread on you is not strong at all, at least you did point him into doing something productive, asked him about who he does want to lynch and about Oats. So we'll see whta he answers.
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On April 22 2013 07:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:It's part of a post you took out of context
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.
Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? or this later post: On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote:
If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy. Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. Fuck knows if he was claiming miller, I don't know. No one knows until he tells us. But I said that it could have been a scum move. If he soft-claims miller like that it could lure out town millers, and then he could say that he posted some drunkard stuff to defend himself against their accusations of him fakeclaiming. If, on the other hand, no townie reacts to his claim, he might feel safe to fakeclaim miller for himself. You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding my post. Purpose of my post was to draw attention to BM's strange behaviour, and taking away in advance whatever malicious intentions he might have had.
Fine, i misunderstood then. Guess we had the same intention, i just thought you were being wishy-washy about it and just saying things for sake of saying things.
Well i got my vote on him and want him to respond.
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Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you?
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On April 22 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sharrant:Show nested quote +I did reach a conclusion about policy lynching BM: " I'd rather spend today's lynch on scum, and I need to see more from BM to know if he is."
And about millers in general: "At this point I would say that miller's should claim if they feel that they're in danger of wasting a detective action (and not before that point), but that all miller claims should be treated as a mark against the player, rather than a scum claim." I am not trying to "policy lynch" BM. I think BM is scum. Bringing up the miller policy into this discussion adds nothing, because it's irrelevant regarding my reasons for wanting to lynch BM. Show nested quote +The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon. So you really think it's TRN's job to find all his games to you? Do you want him to analyze them for you aswell? Show nested quote +Now see, in that quote you actually say "I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia". But wasn't part of your case on me that " It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that."
So you say he is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes?
I don't see how you can view him as townie while acknowledging that he is not scum hunting and still try and make the case on me that you did. Your reads do not match up. There is something wrong here. There are a lot of players who have not done scumhunting. TRN posted a comment on the game start -> people started question him -> he went defensive. I don't see how that is scummy for a new player whose first non-newbie game this is. My scumread on you is not strong at all, at least you did point him into doing something productive, asked him about who he does want to lynch and about Oats. So we'll see whta he answers.
This needs pointing out. One: I did not accuse you of trying to policy lynch Bill Murray. What you quoted at the top there, that is about you saying I did not come to a conclusion about policy lynching miller claims. It's interesting that you feel the need to be defensive about that.
Two: You are hilariously hung up on me asking for his games. If he's a townie, then he should be all for establishing his townieness. I am not going to search through other forums to try and find where he may have possibly played, especially given he could have played under any name he wanted. You think that asking that automatically means that I have not looked at his games on TL. I'm still interested on why you think this is so scummy? It's actually gotten to the point I find this hilarious.
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On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched.
##Vote: Bill Murray
On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched.
##Vote: Bill Murray
On April 22 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:34 kushm4sta wrote:
Millers should all follow BM's example and claim. No, that's stupid. self aware millers should always claim. that is a simple fact of the game. there is no downside to it. Yes there is, if you don't know if they even exist/how many of them there are. Everyone who claims miller should be lynched.
You're definitely right, you have a big case on BM, and it has nothing to do with policy.
I had no opinion of you trying to lynch Bill Murray, I have no idea yet if he's a good lynch or not. But how do you explain that? The thing you have posted about most in this game, is policy lynching BM and anyone else who does what he did.
##unvote:TheRavensName
##Vote:Raynepelikoneet
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rayn you seem pretty sure BM is scum. The problem with that he has 2 posts and there is 0 content in either.
1 you dont know that he claimed. he just said sheeverus snape
2 even if he did claim, claiming miller is not obviously anti town, and so there is really no reason to lynch him for it.
I think your tunnel of BM is ridiculous and I am suspicious of you now.
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On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you?
lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy?
Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now.
##Vote: Getmoript
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Please someone comment on my last post. Tell me I'm not going crazy, and that the man who has been solely pushing for BM's policy lynch just came into the thread, responded to something not even about his policy lynch of BM, and claimed he has never been trying to policy lynch BM.
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On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you?
Geript's reads post was pretty awful with lots of maybe's, wouldn't mind lynching him. Ace seems like he is not willing to do much. I didn't really understand the Sylencia-stuff yamato pointed out. Maybe it's because English is not my mother tongue, i just don't see how he was "little too nervous". I don't think Oats has done anything alignment indicative. Sharrant seems to be not understanding what i'm trying to say. Same could be said about kush, although i think he's town. I think you are town. I think TRN & Palmar are town aswell. That's pretty much everything i have read atm.
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On April 22 2013 07:57 Sharrant wrote:
Please someone comment on my last post. Tell me I'm not going crazy, and that the man who has been solely pushing for BM's policy lynch just came into the thread, responded to something not even about his policy lynch of BM, and claimed he has never been trying to policy lynch BM.
You have my full support. You look so townie I almost could cry that you got mislynched last game.
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On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript
So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die.
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On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die.
Answer my question.
I don't respond to threats.
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On April 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? Geript's reads post was pretty awful with lots of maybe's, wouldn't mind lynching him. Ace seems like he is not willing to do much. I didn't really understand the Sylencia-stuff yamato pointed out. Maybe it's because English is not my mother tongue, i just don't see how he was "little too nervous". I don't think Oats has done anything alignment indicative. Sharrant seems to be not understanding what i'm trying to say. Same could be said about kush, although i think he's town. I think you are town. I think TRN & Palmar are town aswell. That's pretty much everything i have read atm.
Ok.
First i want to clarify that although I have you as scummish, I'm not trigger-happy with people on the chopping block in instant-majority.
So let's talk a little about these reads.
Geript is modconfirmed town. Arguably unfair that he is, but marv's behaviour is most definitely not coming from scum. I feel sad for both sides (marv and scum) on this one, but that's for postgame.
I had ace among the scummish until he asked Palmar that question, since then he's rather nullish.
Sylencia doesn't concern me much cause he claimed VT and was a very early participant. I'm not lynching him today at least.
I have Oats on the scummish side of things.
Kush town, same here.
Palmar not too sure, but leaning town, not lynching him today.
TRN scummy, but maybe noob town, expecting input.
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Can you have a look at these and tell me what you think of them?
- WoS
- Hopeless
- GIYIGAS
- Drazak
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Palmar could you or someone else like Ace come in and tell these idiots why claiming miller at the start of the game is either scummy or extremely dumb.
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On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die.
Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment.
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On April 22 2013 07:24 Sharrant wrote:I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into?
newbie and null.
Not interested in lynching anyone specific at the moment. I'm just sitting back reading and will see what happens.
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On April 22 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar could you or someone else like Ace come in and tell these idiots why claiming miller at the start of the game is either scummy or extremely dumb.
So, we're back to you wanting to lynch BM as a policy because he claimed miller?
On April 22 2013 08:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 07:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote:
@Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into? newbie and null. Not interested in lynching anyone specific at the moment. I'm just sitting back reading and will see what happens.
I'm a little wary of you sitting back, I've heard you generally take a less active role as scum. What do you think of Rayn right now?
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WoS looks ok to me.
I could lynch Hopeless. I didn't like him calling out Palmar on his townread on Vivax and not calling out other people who stated townreads in thread. Other than that there is very little in his filter. I find his exchange with kush (about VE's post) kinda odd.. First he says he does not understand what VE was talking about, and later it changes into "How does it make VE town", when people explain it to him.
I see nothing wrong with GiygaS, needs to post more.
Drazak better post something good when he decides to post. He took 40min to go through 2 pages.. Hmm..
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Sharrant let's end this incredibly useless shit about the policy lynch. I have told the thread why i'm voting for BM, and i'm expecting him to answer me regarding that. We are getting nowhere before we hear from him and this is really useless.
Call my vote a policy lynch vote or whatever, i really don't care before BM comes in and answers. I have only talked about policy lynch stuff when other people have brought that topic up.
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On April 22 2013 08:08 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment.
To be fair, I'm sort of curious myself as to what exactly BM's play means and am hesitant to comment too much on the state of Rayn's tunneling until I really understand if it makes sense or not. Your case is good but as far as I'm concerned it's too early to focus entirely on just one person and try to garner everyone's town votes.
Still waiting on a response Geript; nice to see a vote on you actually was enough to cause some sort of a reaction. And I don't go for that 'mod-confirmed' shit either. I'll keep it in mind but I refuse to ignore him just because of it. Especially since 3p is still quite possible (and imo, likely with 3 possible 3p roles).
##Unvote: Getmoript
I want to hear more from CC or kush at the moment.
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Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you?
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