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yamato77
11589 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:30 yamato77 wrote: Sinani being lynchbait does not mean he gets a free pass to lurk and post meaningless posts, gonzaw. I'm not saying he gets one. I'm just giving wise advice, so hopefully my town brethren take heed on and so no tunnels on townies and shitted up threads happen Anyways yamato, can you tell me why you'd prefer killing Meapak, over, for instance, this guy? | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:22 Keirathi wrote: But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless. And I would lynch all of those people. On April 06 2013 03:27 gonzaw wrote: You could say about Keirathi the same as many other players I think (Artanis, austin, ObviousOne some more perhaps) who are still "trying to help" yet not scumhunting in a meaningful way (if not to appear they contribute and stuff), if not just not scumhunting at all. And I would lynch all of those people. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
For one, OO has posted about 3x as much stuff as MZ so far. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:39 Restraining Order wrote: I think we're gonna need a bigger rope.And I would lynch all of those people. And I would lynch all of those people. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Palmar is pretty heavy. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:40 yamato77 wrote: I told you why I want to kill him, why do you seem resistant? Is there some redeeming quality to Meapak that makes him not the best choice for lynch tomorrow? For one, OO has posted about 3x as much stuff as MZ so far. I liked this post from his: On April 05 2013 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I initially had a pretty bad feeling about oats, however he's just been too loud for me to think he's scum at this point. I'm rather suspicious of artanis, I actually wanted an opinion on sharrant because I have him as a complete null, and decondou was a red herring which I threw out on a whim. In hindsight you'd be too smart to go for it as scum anyway  currently I have rayn as probable town since I've learned that the most annoying people tend to be town. That being said, I also really don't think RO is scummy. Also for the record, I'm not trying to force a wise man to do my bidding, just wanna check in with someone who completely played me before :D I like some of his reactions and interactions with other players. He seems to not "try" (i.e post giant walls of text discussing shit), but it does feel he cares when he posts, which I think he wouldn't at this stage as scum (and would play more like Palmar/VE/maybe decuondo for now). ObviousOne has passed the "Fluff and Filler!" 101 class with honors, and seems to continue to excel in the course Example of fluff: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=32#628 Example of out of place attempt to scumhunt which seems "obviously" pointless pressure the more you think about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=35#695 | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: ObviousOne has passed the "Fluff and Filler!" 101 class with honors, and seems to continue to excel in the course Example of fluff: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=32#628 Example of out of place attempt to scumhunt which seems "obviously" pointless pressure the more you think about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=35#695 Obvious does that as either alignment. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Plus I checked his profile and the only game he's been scum was in the hydra game with VE and he barely posted there at all. Feel free to provide counterexamples | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: I liked this post from his: I like some of his reactions and interactions with other players. He seems to not "try" (i.e post giant walls of text discussing shit), but it does feel he cares when he posts, which I think he wouldn't at this stage as scum (and would play more like Palmar/VE/maybe decuondo for now). ObviousOne has passed the "Fluff and Filler!" 101 class with honors, and seems to continue to excel in the course Example of fluff: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=32#628 Example of out of place attempt to scumhunt which seems "obviously" pointless pressure the more you think about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=35#695 That's literally the only post in his filter where he even tries to talk about reads and yet it amounts to nothing more than a list post. IDK, I guess some people are literally not trying this game at all. OO is not worth going after, though. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
About the 'Force VTs to claim what they tried to take': I'm pretty meh about that idea, because it is extremely hard to track. I mean, lets say there's a scum in the 6th draft position. He picks, say, inventor and gets it. Then he says that he tried to pick Inventor and got VT. Now we almost HAVE to have a Role Cop check him to see if he's lying. If he's not, then we still have 6 people who could possibly be inventor. wifom Or lets take it a step deeper: scum in the 7th spot tries to take CPR Doc, and doesn't get it. His buddy in the 12th spot tries to take Inventor and gets it. Scum in 7th spot tells the thread that he tried to take Inventor and didn't get it. We have a rolecop check him and he is in fact vanilla. What the hell do we do in this situation? more wifom I just don't see any actual benefit to it, when it comes down to actually playing the game, outside from some theoretical (and completely obscure) information. And lots of misdirection opportunities for scum. Having used wifom to prove your point, you then proceed to say that this gets nothing done (which was obvious to virtually every other person) and then almost as if you realized you should make it clear that you are anti-scum, use scum as one would use the word nazi to discredit the argument while simultaneously making it appear that you are not scum as a result of pointing this out. could go through the rest, but it gets worse. I was responding to geripts plan to full pod out the game. IE: people in slots 1-4 only pick roles A, B, C, or D. Players in slots 5-6 only pick roles from E, F, G, or H. That's boring to me. I'm fine with players being given first picks (in theory) if they are going to use them to deny scum roles. If they're just going to pick whatever they feel like, then I disagree. First ambivalence (as long as it helps the town typical bullshit) followed by bullshit reason. you've spent the entire time just bashing terrible ideas and making you look good by comparison. you honestly don't seem to want anything to get done. you play both sides against each other and try to smell like a rose. Well, I'm allergic to roses. To me, they smell like scum. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:47 gonzaw wrote: I'm reading his filter from RED and I don't get the same feeling there as I do here. He seems more "noob" this game than on that one. Plus I checked his profile and the only game he's been scum was in the hydra game with VE and he barely posted there at all. Feel free to provide counterexamples Well that's a different point entirely. I was just saying that he posts non-consequential fluff even as town. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
1)I agree with his reads, even when those reads were not part of "town's sentiment" at the time (for instance the Artanis and rayn/RO ones I think). 2)The "the decuondo bit is a red herring" bit. Feels a little too spontaneous and not planned, seemingly likelier to be done by town Won't dwell on this too much though....since I don't like defending scum if I'm eventually wrong (oh the memories from Can't Believe Mafia still linger...) | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. How can I be scum for both of those? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote: @Caller: You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. How can I be scum for both of those? because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still. An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:56 Caller wrote: because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still. An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished. Oh, so it was all a brilliantly planned trap? Got it. Carry on. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:57 Keirathi wrote: Oh, so it was all a brilliantly planned trap? Got it. Carry on. wasn't very brilliant or planned but it suits my purposes. | ||
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