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On April 05 2013 23:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oats I can't actually believe your argument is just "policy hurr durr." NOBODY listens to "policy" bullshit, the only people policy lynches ever kill are idiotic townies.
Have you ever seen LAL lynch a scum? Have you ever seen the current plan you're spouting work? Hint hint, the vast majority of the time they just kills idiots trying to be scum. Now before you say "but meapak scum can just make that argument to get away" I'll say this, scum are typically too scared to try it outside of a few fantastic players, none of whom are in this game.
I'm on my phone otherwise I'd find an appropriate pict
Um its unreasonable to claim vig as scum? Really? Considering vigs are confirmed townies in normal games, why not here?
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The Goal of the KILL DUDES WHO KILL TOWNIES POLICY LYNCH.
Is to STOP dudes from using KP.
The less KP there is, the better town is.
This is the point of the policy.
GEDDIT?
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote:
This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much.
Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it.
obviousone - 234?
Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1
Sinani206 - 7, 2
Visceraeyes - 10, 10
Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember
strongandbig - 234? same first as caller
Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second
restraining order - 6, 2
Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+
artanis[xp] - 11
sharrant - 11
gonzaw - 8
Austinmcc - 8
Keirathi - 8
Palmar - 8
Mocsta - 8
Shelvocke - 8
Deconduo - 8
Vivax - 8, 1
Oatmaster - 8, 1
billmurray - either 8 or didn't send
Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11
For sure no more than maybe one/two scum in the bolded section. Pretty cool that half of the players apparently picked 8,X. :D
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On April 06 2013 00:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
The Goal of the KILL DUDES WHO KILL TOWNIES POLICY LYNCH.
Is to STOP dudes from using KP.
The less KP there is, the better town is.
This is the point of the policy.
GEDDIT? It is not that I, or we, don't get it. It is that you have unreasonable expecatations AND are overly complicating this. Go read the posts over. You are trying to do something that you cannot do (enforce policy lynches) in order to get people to do something they should be doing without a policy. For now, we should quit filling the thread.
That is not to say that Keirathi should not be filling the thread, for proposing this and then stepping back. You have made your thoughts clear, Keirathi has not.
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I do not think that the lists are correct. As I read this:
*note: There is a new rule in place. In the event that your first AND second numbers clash with another player you both go straight to the bottom of the order. So if 3 players picked [4][1], [4][1] and [4][7] the 2 players with [4][1] are bumped below the player that picked [4][7] along with the original bump. All in All the most unique number combination gets priority.
Any two players who pick the EXACT SAME NUMBERS are bumped further down than players who pick the same first number as another player but different second numbers.
Therefore, not everyone has to be 8s in there. You could have multiple people picking [9] to [20] as a first number, but different second numbers, and then the last folks picking the exact same two numbers. That way, the [9] to [20] pickers would be behind the [8] pickers, but in front of people who picked the exact same two numbers.
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Well when someone breaks that policy, thats another issue of course.
But if you support the policy. I promise to not kill anyone using the KP I may or may not take.
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you guys should stop arguing about this because im going to do what i want, shoot what i want, nuke what i want, and say what i want. so no point arguing.
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On April 06 2013 00:10 Caller wrote:
you guys should stop arguing about this because im going to do what i want, shoot what i want, nuke what i want, and say what i want. so no point arguing.
You already say and do what you want.
IRONY YOU GET VT.
Are you town or scum Caller?
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Its too bad you're so far down the list oats, I'd love to see how fast you'd break your own rule if you had kp.
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On April 06 2013 00:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Its too bad you're so far down the list oats, I'd love to see how fast you'd break your own rule if you had kp.
Too bad huh.
With great power comes great responsibility.
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I really don't want to read through the mess from last night  I've skimmed through it and it was unappealing.
It seems the first three people indicated they just want to pick what they want/what 'they think is best for town', which worries me. It means they'll have no accountability. Going down the list, Sinani's indicated the same so I think we can pretty much presume the roleblocking strategy is going to be hard to enforce, unless anyone thinks they can convince VE to pick one.
Sinani's filter looked particularly horrible when I just checked it. Are you actually going to play the game or are you content with trolling it?
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For the record I'm not a fan of anybody with kp just blowing shit up as they please, however what I'm saying is that hitting a townie as a vig by itself is not enough to just kill someone.
People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong.
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Guys,
I think it may be best to just agree to disagree.
This convo has been going on now for a few pages.
If i can divert the attention:
Are we expecting all the low post contributors to kick into action once the roles are dispersed?
How much leniency are we intending to give to ppl in multiple games?
e.g. ppl like Palmar, who is significantly more active in his other game currently.
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On April 06 2013 00:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
For the record I'm not a fan of anybody with kp just blowing shit up as they please, however what I'm saying is that hitting a townie as a vig by itself is not enough to just kill someone.
People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong.
It doesnt work that way MZ.
Vig shots are inherently not alignment indicative, whether a dude shot or not does not make him townier or scummier.
Its WHO he shoots, AND his actions before the shot.
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I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.
What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).
What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP.
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On April 06 2013 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
For the record I'm not a fan of anybody with kp just blowing shit up as they please, however what I'm saying is that hitting a townie as a vig by itself is not enough to just kill someone.
People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong. It doesnt work that way MZ. Vig shots are inherently not alignment indicative, whether a dude shot or not does not make him townier or scummier. Its WHO he shoots, AND his actions before the shot.
That's literally what I've been saying. You can't use the shot to determine everything. Try and read my posts please.
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Also, it can be helpful to use vig shots for the normal reasons, killing lurkers and liars. That's what town KP is used for in a normal game, why can't it be the same here? Town should use every advantage it has.
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On April 06 2013 01:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 06 2013 00:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
For the record I'm not a fan of anybody with kp just blowing shit up as they please, however what I'm saying is that hitting a townie as a vig by itself is not enough to just kill someone.
People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong. It doesnt work that way MZ. Vig shots are inherently not alignment indicative, whether a dude shot or not does not make him townier or scummier. Its WHO he shoots, AND his actions before the shot. That's literally what I've been saying. You can't use the shot to determine everything. Try and read my posts please.
You cant use the shot to DETERMINE ANYTHING. Thats what Im saying.
Try and read my posts please 
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Mornin'.
@austin:
To start with, I wasn't the one that proposed the policy. Oats was. I just modified it to be more appropriate. But I digress...
You and I have the same end goal: stop people from using public vigs willy-nilly. Do I have any illusions that saying "I will policy lynch anyone who shoots a townie" will stop people? Not most people. But you shouldn't honestly think that saying "pretty please don't shoot" will stop anyone either. People gon' do what people gon' do.
I just think its better to be forceful about it to at least make scum have to seriously think hard about picking America.
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VE wtf dude.
Thats not unique, that has what we have been saying
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SUGGEST?
Do you have reads VE
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