EPTObviousOne
Sno_man
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gonzaw
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Keirathi
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Sno man REALLY USELESS. And possibly scum | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Scum picked [1][1] last game in a similar manner. Therefore, town will be watching for that and it won't work again Mafia know town will be watching, so maybe it will work because they'll assume mafia won't try it again The pick just leads to that loop, even if he said he'd grab [1][1] pre-game. It's null. Only two things stand out about him if you don't use the [1][1]. This post: On April 05 2013 14:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Was there a consensus as to what I was picking first? No i'm not doing a silly "deny" pick like janitor. I'm not really in any hurry to share my pick but if we came to a solid consensus I'll pick it. This thread is a lot longer than I expected during the draft phase though  . I cant say I'm experienced with PYPs but I was under the impression that vigs still shoot their scumreads no? and something that is sooper secret. That post blows if it's from town because: (1) He deliberately avoids any discussion of the denial picks, not "tell me again why I should deny," not "I don't really want to deny," but just "I'm not doing a silly denial." I don't like the way he announces he's not going to participate in what is, as far as I can tell, a very pro-town thing to do with high picks. (2) Is similar. Instead of discussing any of the KP stuff, which was overdiscussed, I'll admit, he just drops that line. It adds NOTHING to the KP/vigi/policy conversation, except this half-ass remark when there have been legitimate reasons given why vigis shouldn't just be popping caps in every scumread they have. It's not a shooting down of discussion, it's not participating in the discussion when it is ongoing, then dropping a thought that is absolutely not helpful AT ALL on the subject later. | ||
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austinmcc
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Scum have to always choose between risk and reward. WIFOM is a pattern for scum decision making that has set values for said risk/reward (risk: Town don't buy the WIFOM, reward: Town buy the WIFOM) However, there are more risks and rewards in this process that's not just pure WIFOM. For instance what I stated: Some scum picking [1,1] alongside scum Sno puts both of them lower in the list, "outs" the 2nd guy as scum since we'd now someone taking down a claimed [1,1] out of nowhere is scum. On top of that, the WIFOM bit can "fail" and people may still believe Sno is scum There is little reward in doing that, other than maybe creating more WIFOM in favor of Sno. The only other alternative for scum Sno is to lie and pick something else rather than [1,1]. That has less risks, although the "why did you lie from what you said in pre-game?" risk my be big enough for them not to try. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If Sno is town and they DON'T clash with him.....why wouldn't they? The only reason other than some bullshit stuff is to include that WIFOM against him, which would mean they'd love to point out how he's scum for getting #1 just like what Mattchew did the last game ...however nobody mentioned it, and nobody did anything when I mentioned it. In probabilistic terms, something is off (although the possibility scum are just bad, or don't give a fuck, or were all AFK forever is still there). Also....I think I'll get my 3k milestone earlier (if I want to...you know...play good in this game), so it might not be as great guys | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:22 gonzaw wrote: I've read your tags AND googled a number of phrases to see if you're roleplaying a particular character.Read my "Wisdom" tags austin. Scum have to always choose between risk and reward. WIFOM is a pattern for scum decision making that has set values for said risk/reward (risk: Town don't buy the WIFOM, reward: Town buy the WIFOM) However, there are more risks and rewards in this process that's not just pure WIFOM. For instance what I stated: Some scum picking [1,1] alongside scum Sno puts both of them lower in the list, "outs" the 2nd guy as scum since we'd now someone taking down a claimed [1,1] out of nowhere is scum. On top of that, the WIFOM bit can "fail" and people may still believe Sno is scum There is little reward in doing that, other than maybe creating more WIFOM in favor of Sno. The only other alternative for scum Sno is to lie and pick something else rather than [1,1]. That has less risks, although the "why did you lie from what you said in pre-game?" risk my be big enough for them not to try. I don't agree that it's awful for scum to double pick [1][1]. If nothing else, when one player flips, I know I personally would go "Well, there's no way that scumbuddies BOTH decided to pick [1][1], ensuring that 2/5 of their team fell to the back of the draft." That's the gut reaction I'd have, and I think what most people would have (See: Comments about "Well, gotta be a bunch of towns in these [8] pickers"). I'd be more willing to assume that scum were hoping sn0 would balk and not choose [1][1], or at the very most were saccing one pick. I don't know how you'd see both as scummy if one player flips and had picked [1][1], just based on the picks. | ||
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sinani206
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I don't even know who my char is, I don't know ANYBODY in Boardwalk Empire (I don't even know the name of Buschemi's character). I'm just being wise in general, ya know? Again, choosing both scum [1,1] is a risk with that reward you posted. It has other risks as well (like the ones I stated) If scum try to either play safe, or don't really know what they are doing, nor know the game that much (nor know what happened last game), they'd still keep scum Sno to pick [1,1] alone. Personally, I think it increases the chances of him being scum, which merits him....you know...come back, defend himself, contribute and be put in the crosseyes to see if he is or not. Like I said his posts are forgetful and intranscendental I don't even remember what he posted about. It's also a nice "entry point" for discussion towards D1, other than Caller arguing with Keirathi, or rayn tunneling RO, etc. | ||
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austinmcc
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:26 austinmcc wrote: I don't know how you'd see both as scummy if one player flips and had picked [1][1], just based on the picks. If someone claims he'll pick [1,1], and you are town, you won't clash with him unless you DON'T want that specific player at #1, sacrificing your chance at getting higher in the list. Why would you do this out of nowhere though? You wouldn't, you'd either discuss it, post in the thread about it (if you just don't care), or think that guy is scum and thus sacrifice your picking chance to do so Remember, townies get the chance to get THE ROLE OF THEIR DREAMS, and they always play alone, so they need a very very higher incentive to sacrifice their draft spot. Scum play with plans and get "community roles". They don't care if scum X gets a high spot if they can get scum Y to get a high spot. They don't care if scum X gets a specific role if they can get Y to get it. They play as a team, thus they wouldn't care about sacrificing their spots to take out a [1,1] guy. Town would ("sane" town at least  ).Therefore, if someone just picks [1,1] out of nowhere even if someone else claimed so to is likely scum, unless he does the stuff a townie would obviously do in that scenario (which didn't happen by the time the draft phase was over). | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:36 gonzaw wrote: Or it's a townie thinking, "Don't want to let this happen again, but I'm gonna look like a noob if I pick vig to shoot this guy and hit town." If someone claims he'll pick [1,1], and you are town, you won't clash with him unless you DON'T want that specific player at #1, sacrificing your chance at getting higher in the list. Why would you do this out of nowhere though? You wouldn't, you'd either discuss it, post in the thread about it (if you just don't care), or think that guy is scum and thus sacrifice your picking chance to do so Remember, townies get the chance to get THE ROLE OF THEIR DREAMS, and they always play alone, so they need a very very higher incentive to sacrifice their draft spot. Scum play with plans and get "community roles". They don't care if scum X gets a high spot if they can get scum Y to get a high spot. They don't care if scum X gets a specific role if they can get Y to get it. They play as a team, thus they wouldn't care about sacrificing their spots to take out a [1,1] guy. Town would ("sane" town at least ).Therefore, if someone just picks [1,1] out of nowhere even if someone else claimed so to is likely scum, unless he does the stuff a townie would obviously do in that scenario (which didn't happen by the time the draft phase was over). I just don't see the [1][1] bit as anything. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:35 austinmcc wrote: I don't mind the caller arguing with Keirathi. Do you think he has a point? Do you think I am scum? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:45 Keirathi wrote: Do you think he has a point? Do you think I am scum? There's nothing wrong with him making a case on you. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:49 sinani206 wrote: There's nothing wrong with him making a case on you. That's not what I asked at all. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:45 Keirathi wrote: I do think he has some points. I think you're worth watching, but more for non-caller reasons.Do you think he has a point? Do you think I am scum? This post: On April 05 2013 15:26 Keirathi wrote: Maybe an addendum: If you launch one, and you hit town, then you get lynched no questions asked. Still doesn't make me feel the happy-haps. I disagree with you when you say that you weren't the guy who suggest lynching folks who hit town. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:55 austinmcc wrote: I do think he has some points. I think you're worth watching, but more for non-caller reasons. This post: Still doesn't make me feel the happy-haps. I disagree with you when you say that you weren't the guy who suggest lynching folks who hit town. I said I wasn't the one who suggested policy lynching people for using nukes. After Oats suggested it, I did suggest the addendum, obviously. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
It was a policy to police ONE role (well maybe 2...depends on how Russia works). A role with which no townie SHOULD be shooting anyways. Why are you so adamantly against that? It doesn't make sense, unless you're posturing to protect yourself/someone who is planning to pick America. | ||
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