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On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way.
I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn)
What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight.
Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town?
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On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.
Because my role PM says so! 
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On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town?
Where are you going with this?
I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity.
I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
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On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
So... you can't explain how he was more engaged in Fruity, because he in fact literally engaged with no-one, and you're using this as a platform to attack me?
Or am I just more sophisticated and look at the relevant timescales when I look at meta? For example I pick out Day 1 play specifically when I'm looking at Day 1 play.
I just need to know if you're being lazy and looking at entire filters for comparison while I'm looking at the relevant time period.
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Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here?
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On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here?
It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime.
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On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here?
This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity.
If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what.
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EBWOP: stop being a stubborn bastard.
marv TM
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On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime.
Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make.
Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta?
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On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta?
Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring.
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On March 27 2013 11:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity. If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what.
It was a DIRECT response to your META town read on OO. I am not calling OO scum based on that. I was calling him not-a-town-read. You answered how he was not playing at ALL like his scum meta in Hydra. So I looked at his town games and found that your meta case is bollocks.
Fruity was included there because those were the games I looked at and any numbskull can see that OO is not playing a similar game at all. So once again. How did you have a meta read on OO? Now answer the damn question and stop deflecting.
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On March 27 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta? Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring.
I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game!
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On March 27 2013 12:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:57 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity. If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what. It was a DIRECT response to your META town read on OO. I am not calling OO scum based on that. I was calling him not-a-town-read. You answered how he was not playing at ALL like his scum meta in Hydra. So I looked at his town games and found that your meta case is bollocks. Fruity was included there because those were the games I looked at and any numbskull can see that OO is not playing a similar game at all. So once again. How did you have a meta read on OO? Now answer the damn question and stop deflecting.
I believe I also mentioned in one of my posts in Hydra that I intended to up my game. I cut the spam. I cut most of the trolling (sorry can't resist it all the time). My goal is to step up my play every game, as everyone's should be; where the problem begins is how low I started. If I matched my old town meta completely I would be ashamed.
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On March 27 2013 12:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:57 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? This isn't the issue. Don't make me resort to caps lock. You said very specifically he was more engaged, whereas I have pointed out he literally engaged with no-one on Day 1 in Fruity. If you can explain to me how he was engaged Day 1 Fruity (hint: you can't) I will drop this immediately. Otherwise I just want to clear up an assertion you made. It's perfectly possible you were just lazy and/or unattentive to timescales or whatever, but I'd quite like to know what is what is what. It was a DIRECT response to your META town read on OO. I am not calling OO scum based on that. I was calling him not-a-town-read. You answered how he was not playing at ALL like his scum meta in Hydra. So I looked at his town games and found that your meta case is bollocks. Fruity was included there because those were the games I looked at and any numbskull can see that OO is not playing a similar game at all. So once again. How did you have a meta read on OO? Now answer the damn question and stop deflecting.
maybe I'll answer if you can answer me in any way how OO was engaged Fruity Day 1 
I've only asked you 3 times now. And you did assert it.
I promise to Betsy I'll answer your question if you can answer mine properly <3
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On March 27 2013 12:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta? Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring. I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game!
Does it still count as stupid = town when he misrepresents points against people to make his case stronger?
On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
Here are those 2 "association cases":
On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:+ Show Spoiler +==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent.Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think?
On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:15 Keirathi wrote:
Acro/OO: Thoughts on Grack? Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)
This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.
Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null
We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird.Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
Those aren't "association cases". MAYBE you could say that the biggest point he had against Grack was the association thing with Palmar, but that wasn't even close to the main point of his case against me.
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On March 27 2013 12:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta? Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring. I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game!
I don't trust you at all. What happened:
You give a read on OO saying he isn't playing scared, which is the main theme of his scum game:
On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
I said that I thought he was quite timid this game and wasn't sticking his neck out on anything:
On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
You posted the meta to show how OO is timid when he's scum:
On March 27 2013 03:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? Contained in the spoilered case I made in Hydra below are pretty much all of OO's contributions on Day 1 there. It feels pretty different to me. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:59 FiveTouch wrote:The interesting thing looking at ObliviousEyes, actually, is that there's a very experienced player combined with a newbie. So we can really catch these guys out looking at Oblivious' posts; VE will be harder to catch. This post *alone* is worth a lynch: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 14:54 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote.
Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now.
Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read.
-OO This really is the scummiest post in the entire thread (unlike Promato's list. take note of the difference folks). There's just a bunch of summaries of what's happening in the thread. Let's look for hard opinions, shall we? What do we have? - Witty is concerning - unclear on iamperfection - keep an eye on witty - Dirk is interesting - interested to see more Not even a shred of an opinion on anything alignment indicative. It's classic newbie mafia. The only shocking thing is that VE didn't stop him making this atrocity of a post (don't let them wifom that he would have stopped him by the way). Here's the followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Again to recap: - Golems scummish but townieish - Snarfs is concerning Another followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 16:11 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote:On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO - I have made a bulletpoint but I have literally nothing to say as the post says absolutely nothing whatsoever. ObliviousEyes looks very mafia indeed when we look at ObviousOne's contributions. They are all summaries, there's a complete refusal to take stances on anyone. He is the weakling of this team, and he's proving himself as such. Classic mafia play from OO in all regards.
And now comes the bait and switch, because any meta read must have two sides. You can't just say "he's not scum because he's not playing similar to his scum meta", unless it is completely obvious that he IS playing similar to his town meta.
I looked at OO's town games at that is blatantly not the case. Now instead of retracting the meta read you're like "well, I meant that he wasn't scared", which is what we argued about in the first place. You are pulling an InsertSmurfHere.
You cite half a meta case and then do fancy handwaving to make the other half go away. But you're not Yamato and should know better.
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So... you still can't answer the Fruity "engaged" issue?
Ok dear.
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On March 27 2013 12:14 marvellosity wrote:
So... you still can't answer the Fruity "engaged" issue?
Ok dear.
I have answered your question already. Your turn to explain where your magic meta read on OO came from where you left out the other half of OO's meta.
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Keir, since you're here, what do you think of this whole Marv/Acro thing going on?
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Yeah I want to lynch prplzh. Been thinking about Grack, but apparently he's promising to return with some reads, so we'll see where that goes.
It's been ~30 hours, and I haven't gotten a hint that prplzh cares about the game. His filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&user=126438
Prplzh lone "contribution" has been a complete sheep-vote on Grack. Other than that, he's been soft-pushing a bunch of players:
Asks an irrelevant question to Sinani, soft-pushes Nisani, and implies suspicion on InsertSmurfHere all in one post.
On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game? @Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time  @InsertSmurfHere Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
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Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
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That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.
Soft-pushes Palmar, despite the fact that Palmar is championing his top scumread (Grack)
On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.
Soft-pushes Sinani...
On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?
On March 27 2013 06:30 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:28 sinani206 wrote:On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy? ...then backs off... Question for you: what's your problem with me? What makes you think I have a problem with you?
...And most recently, Acro:
On March 27 2013 11:19 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Some people do that when they get frustrated. I think he's frustrated and that's why he's doing it. @Palmar Why is Acrofales town?
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.
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