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On March 27 2013 12:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:14 marvellosity wrote:
So... you still can't answer the Fruity "engaged" issue?
Ok dear. I have answered your question already. Your turn to explain where your magic meta read on OO came from where you left out the other half of OO's meta.
You've never answered once how you found OO engaged in Fruity Day 1. Please paste the relevant quote if you have.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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What I found in Fruity D1 was that he played differently from here. What I found in the rest of Fruity was that he loosened up and started engaging the thread. He continued to do so in his next town game, LX, and did so right from the start. I said that here:
On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
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On March 27 2013 12:21 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Keir, since you're here, what do you think of this whole Marv/Acro thing going on?
It's a dumb argument.
But I agree with marv. You can't say "I disagree with your read because I think town OO is more carefree and engaging, based on Fruity and LX" when, as marv pointed out, OO wasn't 'engaging' at all on day 1 in Fruity.
FWIW, I'm not interested in lynching OO, either. I'm leaning town on him for now. His play does feel very, very different than his play from Hydra.
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On March 27 2013 12:30 Acrofales wrote:What I found in Fruity D1 was that he played differently from here. What I found in the rest of Fruity was that he loosened up and started engaging the thread. He continued to do so in his next town game, LX, and did so right from the start. I said that here: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
So now we get to the issue. "Played differently here" is not what you said originally. You said he was "engaged". Demonstrably, he was not engaged on Day 1.
Further, we get to the nub of the issue that you were looking beyond Day 1, whereas I was not.
Don't blame your failures on me.
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Acro, I think that part of marv's OO read looks fine.
The point is that OO was exceptionally lurky and scared in Hydra Mini. His play is not like that this game. Looking at his game in Fruity, it's a tad more active, and more similar to this game.
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Yes, prplhz is a scummy little slime, who hasn't cared about this game or doing anything. I would be happy to lynch him.
I'm leaving my vote on Grack until he comes back with those promised reads though. I still think he's the best bet for scum right this minute. I hope he can come change my mind.
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Nah I can see Grack actually being a busy/rusty townie. I can't see Prplhz being this dis-engaged as town.
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I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.
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On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.
Well it's not that he's just flying under the radar. It's that he's soft-pushing suspicion on every player he can lay his eyes on whilst having no original contributions to the thread.
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On March 27 2013 12:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Nah I can see Grack actually being a busy/rusty townie. I can't see Prplhz being this dis-engaged as town.
eh, i can, sorta. what do you make of the points acro has made against nisani?
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I'm also in agreement that prplhz has been flying under the radar.
However, I'd also love to hear a lot more from Yamato/Smurf about who he wants to see lynched. I want to know whether he still wants me dead or if he's actually trying this game.
Acro I'm leaning towards town on Marv. Him picking on stuff I do without calling me scummy just seems like the dumb crap he did throughout Personality.
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On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though.
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*Calming down*
Fucking seriously? Show me one person who has said that OO's playstyle this game is different from his town games and makes him scum.
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Like this post is scummy as fuck, and you all should instantly lynch prplzh for it:
On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.
"Hey Nisani, I see you're not suspicious of Palmar, so why don't I convince you otherwise?"
Mind-blowing considering that he's sheeping Palmar with his Grack vote.
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Perhaps I've been misinterpreting the thread. Why did we have a 1.5 page discussion about OO's meta?
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On March 27 2013 12:50 Nisani201 wrote:
Perhaps I've been not reading the thread. Why did we have a 1.5 page discussion about OO's meta?
FTFY*
Anyways, marv said that OO's meta points towards him being town. Acro said that OO's meta points to null.
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On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town.
Yeah I'm actually starting to lean scum on Rayn myself. The seed was planted earlier in my second post when I said that it was possible a tired Rayn could have scum slipped. I don't recall a response to that particular sentence I pointed out, but then again I didn't phrase it as a question.
For reference:
On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Anyone seeing what I'm seeing here? Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. -snip irrelevant portion-
Moving forward in the filter, I see him having scum reads on me and several other people I would consider town at this point.:
On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
I'm more null on Nisani but the rest are more town than scummy to me right now. So let's look at what he's brought up against his proposed alternate lynches:
On March 27 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:Oats:Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180). Smurf:Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn. Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case?
Look at the bolded/red sentence above, in particular. He's giving his full reasoning but he's doing it BEGRUDGINGLY. In what game do we begrudgingly give scum reads? That's pretty scummy to me on its own. Not demonstrating a town mindset IMO. The reads themselves are pretty meh. The only possible original thought I see is his stance on Oats but that's not a difficult thing to do given how easy of a target I feel Oats has made himself.
Finally, resignation:
On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then.
5, count them, five possible targets for today's lynch. That's a whole lot of suspicion for so little build-up. "Let's just lynch anyone!"
How about no.
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P.S: @Nisani:
Who do you want to lynch?
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People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz.
I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie:
On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it.
Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no.
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