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On March 27 2013 09:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)
but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what?
Despite having been around, I believe this is the first game I am playing with Palmar. I cohosted Hero and he was fairly active as town on D1... at least active enough to make a cool video and cause scum to get lynched.
He seems involved enough for the moment and get the impression that he is actively analysing the thread. Even if this latest bluehunting stint is stupid.
In case he's scum, he will lose interest in the game, as scum Palmar always does. If he maintains an active interests and keeps directing town, he is most probably town.
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PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
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On March 27 2013 09:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)
but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what? Despite having been around, I believe this is the first game I am playing with Palmar. I cohosted Hero and he was fairly active as town on D1... at least active enough to make a cool video and cause scum to get lynched. He seems involved enough for the moment and get the impression that he is actively analysing the thread. Even if this latest bluehunting stint is stupid. In case he's scum, he will lose interest in the game, as scum Palmar always does. If he maintains an active interests and keeps directing town, he is most probably town.
Fuck i want a mafia D1 lynch if Palmar is town. He is capable of doing it. He is just calling out wrong ppl.
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On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing? That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.
Well, if you're town I see no reason to start your line of questioning in the first place. In fact, I see no reason to take a first-post VT claim seriously, but go ahead and be dumb about it.
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On March 27 2013 09:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote:
Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar? Because it's easier to pretend I'm reading the thread that way.
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This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about.
One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct.
TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night.
On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me.
I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts.
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On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
There's a long time until the lynch. I choose to share the information and thoughts I have at my own pace. Now shoo.
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On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia?
None of the 'reasons' you gave for Grack being town were in fact good reasons. I've just been filtering Grack and looking at his past games a bit more closely, and if I had to bet right now I'd say he was mafia.
In Aperture he came into the thread with a self-vote campaign for mayor (or whatever the equivalent was) and followed up with light-heartedness. In Werewolves mafia he opens by asking opinions about a particular mechanic, while at the same time unequivocally giving his own opinion, followed by a refreshingly blunt opinion on BlazingHand.
In this game there's neither the joking nor the self-confidence. It's much weaker. His town-read on Palmar also seemed quite over-explained; I didn't expect him to make it at all really, and it seemed like he put a lot of effort in it, perhaps in an effort to impress.
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On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts.
But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral.
Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o
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On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts. But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral. Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o
yeah, kinda interesting he says that when I just got finished thinking that he had overdone his town-read on Palmar.
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On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts. But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral. Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o
I don't mean that original post I mean the post I made right now. I think we all know there was going to be at least one person arguing that I didn't call Palmar scum in that post.... and really... so what. If I'm not sure whether Palmar is scum then I'm not sure whether Palmar is scum. I'm not going to fake like I'm super confident in my reads because I just haven't been so far, but that's what everybody in the thread has wanted me to do...
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On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts. But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral. Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o
I am starting to agree. This last post just seemed... pointless. It's a very longwinded way of saying "I am reanalysing" and a promise of future activity.
But I am left with the nagging question: if Palmar is town, why would a scum Grackaroni bother trying to backpedal his safe town read? And if they're scumbuddies, why has Palmar's only action this game been to bus Grack? Neither makes sense, so this only really makes sense if Grack is town.
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On March 27 2013 10:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:56 Keirathi wrote:On March 27 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote:This game has honestly gotten me pretty flustered but I have no intention giving up. I feel completely unconfident in my reads so now I'm just going to start anew. I'm going to spend the next 4-5 hours carefully reading and analyzing the thread from the beginning until I can get some scum reads I feel truly confident about. One thing that definitely needs correcting is my read on Palmar. I used to believe that Palmar was much lazier as scum and berated him pretty hard in a previous game for it. (and I was actually lucky and was correct that he was scum and he was being lazy) In reality Palmar is frequently lazy as town and has played several active scum games. My logic was flawed from the start when I thought that him being active in this game made him more likely to be town, it really doesn't. from an admittedly biased point of view right now, I think that Palmar has been fostering a bad town atmosphere and seems more focused. on getting people to sheep him than finding out whether his read is correct. TLDR: I want to correct my previously flawed reasoning. I will take a less neutral stance on him (and others) by the end of the night. On March 27 2013 04:24 ObviousOne wrote:
Who else is scum besides me, Grack? Am I the only scum in this game?
I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. I also don't like this reaction to my post. I literally made ONE post on him and all of a sudden I'm tunneling him all day? For somebody who is adamant that I am scum he either hasn't examined/analyzed my filter very closely or he is maliciously misconstruing my posts. But....your stance wasn't neutral? You gave a rather detailed explanation of why you thought Palmar was town. That is the opposite of neutral. Argg, why does everything you post feel so defensive and backpeddling-y :o I am starting to agree. This last post just seemed... pointless. It's a very longwinded way of saying "I am reanalysing" and a promise of future activity. But I am left with the nagging question: if Palmar is town, why would a scum Grackaroni bother trying to backpedal his safe town read? And if they're scumbuddies, why has Palmar's only action this game been to bus Grack? Neither makes sense, so this only really makes sense if Grack is town.
Because his safe townread has earned him no credit with anyone in the game?
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Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that.
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On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that.
Yeah... thanks for pointing this out, this actually runs counter to one of my points against Grackeroni. I am going to take another look at my stance because that was the major reason why I decided to tunnel in. Need to re-evaluate, I'm going to unvote for now and I'll be back in a few hours after raid night is over.
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On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that.
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me pissed off. If you are going to run around saying that I am the best lynch you should have at least put in the effort to read the actual exchange in the thread.
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On March 27 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me pissed off. If you are going to run around saying that I am the best lynch you should have at least put in the effort to read the actual exchange in the thread.
Are you complaining at me in particular? I've not said you're the best lynch, and I voluntarily corrected myself on something I missed on the first pass.
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EBWOP: I would add, I already knew he asked you for your read on him, I'd just forgotten that he'd asked you to make a case about it as well.
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On March 27 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that. Yeah... thanks for pointing this out, this actually runs counter to one of my points against Grackeroni. I am going to take another look at my stance because that was the major reason why I decided to tunnel in. Need to re-evaluate, I'm going to unvote for now and I'll be back in a few hours after raid night is over.
and seriously..... reallly.... Do you even read my posts? I pointed this exact thing out in my post. I said that you didn't read the thread closely or didn't filter Palmar because you would have known that my post on Palmar didn't come out of the blue. and then you came back with "Whereas Grack is literally making shit up about me to get me lynched." But now when Marv says it all of a sudden you notice. And people wonder why I've been less than motivated this game.
On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
Meh I was mostly right. You haven't mentioned anyone else you think is a better lynch.
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On March 27 2013 10:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh - I retract what I said about over-explained town-read. Palmar actually asked for an explanation about it like that. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me pissed off. If you are going to run around saying that I am the best lynch you should have at least put in the effort to read the actual exchange in the thread. Are you complaining at me in particular? I've not said you're the best lynch, and I voluntarily corrected myself on something I missed on the first pass.
And you also really have to question why I don't know who you want to lynch if that was not you telling the thread who you think is the best lynch.
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