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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 23:29 GMT
#641
So marv, this conversation is for all purposes over. View on Cora?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 23:29 GMT
#642
On March 27 2013 08:26 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:23 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:50 Palmar wrote:
I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow.

Okay.

I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from.


I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum.

Maybe I misremembered your Hero mini clean read video or you just made it as a flippant comment. In either case, what do you make of Cora right now? He seems to WANT lynch votes on himself.


I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 23:33 GMT
#643
On March 27 2013 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
So marv, this conversation is for all purposes over. View on Cora?


He's absolutely insufferable despite having zero ability so I'm going to ignore him completely. I don't want to lynch him today at any rate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18158 Posts
March 26 2013 23:33 GMT
#644
On March 27 2013 08:19 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm pointing out that your "answer" to marv makes no sense.

Your explanation is that you didn't read marv's post before you replied to mine, correct? But that explanation is inconsistent with your behavior in the thread.

7 hours ago, you post this, explicitly responding to marv's logic.
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 01:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter.


I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense.


The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this.

Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.


He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read.

He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.


Then hours later, you reply to me.

Your explanation doesn't make sense. Why does it not make sense? Am I missing something here?

My problem with this line of reasoning is:

Lets assume for the sake of argument that Cora is town. Cora makes a case on Rayn. Marv responds that he doesn't find Rayn suspicious. Noted down and stored for posterity, but Cora still finds the behaviour suspicious.

5 hours, and about a full page of rayn's filter later (as well as other people chipping in), Hapa responds that he also doesn't find Rayn suspicious for the same reasons (albeit differently worded). Cora admits that he might be tunneling and lays off Rayn.

This seems like healthy townie behaviour. The only thing that I see wrong with this whole thing is Cora saying he didn't read Marv's posts on the matter at the time, when he clearly did. This, I agree, could be a really stupid scumslip (no consistent train of thought), but it could also be honest forgetfulness.

Cora does not seem like the best lynch at the moment.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 26 2013 23:34 GMT
#645
a few more reads. Initially I was leaning slight scum on Keirathi but now I don't know what to make of it. He defended prplhz against s&b's case based on reasons I don't entirely agree with, seeing as I actually think prplhz is being much more useless than when he's playing lazy town.

But the little fact that Keirathi then proceeded to call out prplhz makes me think his defense may not have been an absolute stance, but a fluid one. It's not a huge town-tell, but it's something.
Computer says mafia
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 26 2013 23:37 GMT
#646
Ok, I've finally sorted this out. I thought that Hapa was linking this post:

On March 27 2013 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
Eh, if you really want closure on that rayn... you overreacted (serious or otherwise) to prplhz at the start, so I wanted to see how you'd react to something else that was ostensibly unreasonable. You acted in a sane, normal manner, and that's all there was to see. I don't know if that thing means anything in particular for your alignment, but it's why I did it. I didn't pursue you further because I wasn't interested in pursuing you in the first place.


When in fact he was linking the one above it. I didn't read the post I just quoted until Hapa showed it to me.
There's the confusion. Glad we figured this out.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 23:38 GMT
#647
On March 27 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, I've finally sorted this out. I thought that Hapa was linking this post:

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
Eh, if you really want closure on that rayn... you overreacted (serious or otherwise) to prplhz at the start, so I wanted to see how you'd react to something else that was ostensibly unreasonable. You acted in a sane, normal manner, and that's all there was to see. I don't know if that thing means anything in particular for your alignment, but it's why I did it. I didn't pursue you further because I wasn't interested in pursuing you in the first place.


When in fact he was linking the one above it. I didn't read the post I just quoted until Hapa showed it to me.
There's the confusion. Glad we figured this out.


We didn't really figure it out ya know. I just kinda gave up.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 27 2013 00:04 GMT
#648
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?
Computer says mafia
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 27 2013 00:09 GMT
#649
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)

but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 27 2013 00:12 GMT
#650
On March 27 2013 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On March 27 2013 08:23 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On March 27 2013 07:50 Palmar wrote:
I did not say his entrance was scum motivated, I said it was shitty. This can be either lazy town or lazy scum, but the lack of concrete opinions in his posts make me lean slight scum on him. But again, I'm not sure right now. I'll know better how to proceed tomorrow.

Okay.

I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from.


I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum.

Maybe I misremembered your Hero mini clean read video or you just made it as a flippant comment. In either case, what do you make of Cora right now? He seems to WANT lynch votes on himself.


I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know.


As an update on this read, based on the fact he seems somewhat worried about how other people perceive his input into the game I'm changing this to null/slight scum.

examples:

On March 26 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've already called out Rayn for being scummy, at least that has some decent thinking behind it.


On March 27 2013 00:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things.

Computer says mafia
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 00:13 GMT
#651
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?


So you're saying that if he claimed green to protect himself as a blue, and then claimed his true role, you would lynch him?
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 27 2013 00:13 GMT
#652
Why is everyone ignoring the prime suspects like OO/Oats/Smurf/even Nisani, who conviniently disappeared when shit started to drop on Cora/me/whoever else is accused.

Stop on Cora, he is town. Grack posts on the latter part of D1, if not, we lynch the shit out of him.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 27 2013 00:14 GMT
#653
Look Palmar, Cora is just being dumb. Why can't you see that?
table for two on a tv tray
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 00:15 GMT
#654
Agree w/ Rayn. There's simply not enough information on Cora that makes him close to worth discussing.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 27 2013 00:16 GMT
#655
On March 27 2013 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?


So you're saying that if he claimed green to protect himself as a blue, and then claimed his true role, you would lynch him?


Yes, unless of course he retracts his claim which he should do even if he's actually just vanilla town.

If you actually think claiming green can protect you as a blue, you're a dumbass.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 00:21 GMT
#656
On March 27 2013 09:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)

but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what?


Recently I learnt that Acro played in Ace's Death Factory 2, which started before our first game.

Sometimes Palmar posts quite a lot Day 1. For example NMM3, or Hero Mafia too, after the first 24 hours. In Bureaucracy he was reasonably active as mafia too.

Anyway I don't see much reason for now that he's mafia, Palmar seems to be trying to figure out people's alignments. Also, maybe he's learnt to play me, but I like his attitude towards me this game too. As in, he's not leaping in to cast judgement of me, and yet has his eyebrow raised just the same.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 00:22 GMT
#657
On March 27 2013 08:34 Palmar wrote:
a few more reads. Initially I was leaning slight scum on Keirathi but now I don't know what to make of it. He defended prplhz against s&b's case based on reasons I don't entirely agree with, seeing as I actually think prplhz is being much more useless than when he's playing lazy town.

But the little fact that Keirathi then proceeded to call out prplhz makes me think his defense may not have been an absolute stance, but a fluid one. It's not a huge town-tell, but it's something.

What?

I made it perfectly clear when I was talking about prplhz that I didn't necessarily think that he was town. I just thought that S&B's point was dumb and not at all indicative of a scum prplhz, because town prplhz makes those same kinds of opening posts.

On March 26 2013 10:44 Keirathi wrote:
I agree with you. I never said "yea, prplhz's first post makes him town. He never does that as scum." I just said that S&B's terrible reasoning didn't make prplhz scum, because it can be demonstrably shown that prplhz makes the same kinds of posts as town *AND* scum.


Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18158 Posts
March 27 2013 00:25 GMT
#658
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 27 2013 00:36 GMT
#659
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 27 2013 00:37 GMT
#660
On March 27 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote:
Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar?


Because it's easier to pretend I'm reading the thread that way.
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