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On March 18 2013 08:18 DarthPunk wrote:
This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!"
Could you point out where geript suggested using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone?
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DP who is your best guess for scum? Who do you want to lynch today?
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On March 18 2013 02:10 layabout wrote:sandro will either get shot or be really obvious mafia by day 2-3. cosmicomic's vote makes sense because DarthPunk claims to have made a pressure vote but at that time a pressure vote was unnecessary and DP's contribution was empty. Speaking of which:
DarthPunk came back and looks scummy and you all just ignored him. He calls me scum for calling him scummy and votes cosmicomics for voting for him. But I don't know if this is a real vote or just a "pressure vote" since he follows the vote by trying to engage in a discussion with cosmicomics. He then tells us that he thinks GKis a poor lynch but criticizes BH's defense of GK. This indirectly supports a GK lynch but he does nothing to make it happen. If you read this post you will notice that DarthPunk seems to agree that GK is scummy or at least dislike's his posting. It's as if he isn't sure if a GK lynch is going to happen so he is hedging. He acknowledges that he has contributed very little but feels an OMGUS is enough of a contribuution for day1. This is scum behavior. DathPunk is scum ##vote: DarthPunk
Yep you are scum because you reasoning could only be this bad and warped intentionally. I always follow votes by trying to engage in discussion it seems normal to me but somehow trying to get into a discussion and push a scumread is scummy?
THe pressure on Blazing had nothing to do with goodkarma's alignment. It should be obvious that I was pressuring him on making a dead set town read based on weak meta so swiftly. Why? Because scum are likely to make town reads like that and town are not. I was asking BH incase there was something that I missed.
I am not hedging. I stated very clearly I DO NOT WANT A GOODKARMA LYNCH TO HAPPEN TODAY. am I hedging now? NO GOODKARMA LYNCH.
Yeah I was busy yesterday but stayed up late to post what I did which was more than an OMGUS. But I really don't need to convince you. You are either scum or terrible town and either way are not worth my limited time.
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On March 18 2013 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
DP who is your best guess for scum? Who do you want to lynch today?
Either you, cosmic or layabout. Reason: I can;t believe any of you would deliberate misinterpret my posting this badly whilst being town.
Actually put you at the top of that list. I KNOW you should know better. Not sure if these other guys are just terrible. I KNOW you are not.
##Vote: Viscera Eyes
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WEEEEEEEE I'M DP AND I'M GONNA WASTE MY VOTE ON SOMEONE NO OTHER PERSON IN THE GAME HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN LYNCHING MERE HOURS FROM DEADLINE! IN SPITE OF THIS BEING IN RESPONSE TO A DIRECT QUESTION REGARDING MY LYNCH PREFERENCE THOUGH, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT I THINK VE IS SCUM IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM FOR MISINTERPRETING MY POST!!! WHOOPIDEEEDOOOOOOOOO!!!
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On March 18 2013 08:25 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 08:18 DarthPunk wrote:
This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!"
Could you point out where geript suggested using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone?
Hmm seems I was wrong about the tarot cards because I couldn;t remember the flavor of the role list. all i saw was this post with an 'idea' about tarot cards and after all the RNG shit assumed it was a arbitary lynch mechanic.
On March 16 2013 16:41 geript wrote:
When I hit the idea of tarot cards, there were a few things that didn't quite match up. First off the major arcana are usually comprised of roughly twenty or so cards. But in the setup there's only 17 named roles. Additionally the roles don't quite matchup exactly. The Devil, Fool and the Tower are straight copies. The Priest could be the Heirophant. The Empress could be the Snake or the Mirror. The others are harder to tell. Does anyone else think that this could be based off of a tarot reading?
Yep I got it wrong. I admit that. Doesn't make me scum and doesn;t stop my first vote in the opening hour from being a plainly obvious pressure vote and doesn't stop those who think it was more from being scum trying to mislynch.
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On March 18 2013 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
WEEEEEEEE I'M DP AND I'M GONNA WASTE MY VOTE ON SOMEONE NO OTHER PERSON IN THE GAME HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN LYNCHING MERE HOURS FROM DEADLINE! IN SPITE OF THIS BEING IN RESPONSE TO A DIRECT QUESTION REGARDING MY LYNCH PREFERENCE THOUGH, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT I THINK VE IS SCUM IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM FOR MISINTERPRETING MY POST!!! WHOOPIDEEEDOOOOOOOOO!!!
I don't care about what other people are doing. It's day one it's not mylo I don;t need to consolidate onto a popular candidate I don;t believe in. It's not a waste. You are probably scum from the way you have played.
Tell me VE, do you actually believe that townies don't ever pressure vote in the first hour of a game? Answer me that.
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And you are my lynch preference after all the bullshit you came up with while I was asleep. So I was answering your question sweetheart.
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I believe that townies don't use their vote to try and change the way other people are playing. I believe that townies vote for people they think are scum, because that is the function of the vote.
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DP chill down (coming from me, so it's serious business) and work towards persuading people of your own reads. There is only a GM wagon up now as alternative so I suggest you hop on that.
I find pretty much everyone scummy you do, but GM is the only working alternative now. We need to draw people to our wagon of rightfulness.
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I like way you miss my point.
Darth the pressure on BH doesn't have anything to do with GK alignment, it has to do with you indirectly supporting the lynch.
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On March 18 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I believe that townies don't use their vote to try and change the way other people are playing. I believe that townies vote for people they think are scum, because that is the function of the vote.
Bollocks. Policy lynches. Pressure votes. Townies pressure vote or policy vote ALL THE TIME at the start of day one and this was one hour in. I KNOW you know this because you have played too much to not know. So why are you lying?
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Here is why Viscera eyes is scum.
On March 18 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk.
##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory.
Terrible first case. Completely different interpretation to several others. But he seems pretty confident that I am scum. Great.
On March 18 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum.
On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk.
On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:It's the way he's approaching this game. He doesn't seem to care at all about finding scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:
##Vote:Geript
I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them?
This is his first vote. To this point, he has done nothing but soft defend people, and lightly agree with BH on a point he made about geript. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? Yeah I made a mistake with what the tarot card 'idea' was and assumed it was another scheme to random lynch. That's it a mistake. It was so obviously a pressure vote at the start fo the game that I cannot comprehend you not understanding that. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? Which is even worse because in this post he openly acknowledges that he doesn't even really think geript is scum...that his vote was exclusively to "pressure" him to "stop what he's doing". Except...that's not what townies do with their vote. Townies try and kill scum with their vote. But apparently Cosmic is now scum because he didn't like Darth's vote. Whatever maybe I can roll with this....
This blows my mind. VE says that townies never pressure vote at the start of the game. Like what in the actual fuck. Everyone here knows VE could not in a million years actually believe this but he is saying that to try and lynch me.
On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Well. I really don't like this post from Goodkarma but maybe that is just my personal preference of not really liking posts that contain a paragraph each on several people. The case against goodkarma was your standard day one case that doesn't really feel very strong at all and I wouldn't like to lynch goodkarma today regardless. GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later. When it comes to what you said about me you are right I haven;t done much yet. But you are wrong that I was genuinely trying to lynch geript. It was a standard pressure vote at the beginning of the game and that should be obvious. Peashooter is pretty null at the moment I certainly don;t see anythign that would make me want to lynch him really badly. I am not sure that lurkers are really the place to look straight up. Sure, stick a vote on them and pressure them but I wouldn;t want to lynch someone just on inactivity. ...except by the time Darth makes this post Cosmic is a lurker. And read his last statement! :OOOOOOOO Like, his reasoning isn't that he's a lurker, that much I'll admit. But the fact remains that Darth "doesn't think lurkers are the place to look" while his vote is ON a lurker.
This is poor and even you know it. Not voting for lurking and not voting for lurkers period are worlds apart. you know this which is why you mention it. But if you know how bad this argument is why make it at all. UNLESS you are pushing a mislynch and you don't care if I am actually scum or not.
On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
In this post he also SIMULTANEOUSLY defends and attacks GoodKarma. I guess because it's not clear what thread sentiment is going to end up favoring or something, but ultimately ends up saying he doesn't want to lynch GK.[/quote}
I had a clear position so your assertion that I was hedging is bollocks. My position was I don;t want to lynch goodkarma today.
On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 22:53 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing  ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK I have zero faith in your meta cases BH. and I think this is a super weak reason to be so confident in a town read. What gives? But in the very next post attacks Wade for defending GK on meta? HE JUST DID THIS!
I didn't use meta. Explain to me how I used meta to justify not lynching Goodkarma. You can't because I didn't.
On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:
GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later.
On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO
You seem really confident right?
On March 18 2013 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's because he's just saying it's a pressure vote to absolve himself of having to justify his vote with actual reasoning.
It was the first hour of the day. It was abviously a pressure vote. Or do you find yourself with deadset scum reads one hour in? What a joke.
On March 18 2013 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Thx Wiggles.
With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir?
Finally after all that screaming about me being scum wiggles disagrees and he is off trying to lynch goodkarma.
Like seriously. Something is completly off about VE We need to lynch him.
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Vote: zarepath
Something that has been bothering me for a while now is how zarepath has been put on the back-burner. Similar to how people are dealing with Coag but with much less reason. With the exception of Vivax, nobody has really defending zare. It is like everyone took a look at the points against zare and said, "yeah, that does look bad, let's move on". Am I alone in thinking that it is suspicious that there was so little opposition to us pushing zare, yet it gained so little traction? Obviously some townies just prefer their own choice and are going to push it. But I can't shake the feeling that zare is getting pushed off the consideration table, not because he is a worse candidate, but because scum are invested in changing the focus.
I know that above paragraph isn't super logical, it is my intuition. But when I pair it with the points made earlier by myself and scib I definitely want to lynch zarepath today.
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On March 18 2013 08:50 layabout wrote:
I like way you miss my point.
Darth the pressure on BH doesn't have anything to do with GK alignment, it has to do with you indirectly supporting the lynch.
I'm not. I clearly stated I didn't want to lynch Goodkarma. Indirectly supporting the lynch is a complete fabrication. I didn't and don't support a goodkarma lynch and stated as much.
The question to blazinghand was entirely about how he had acquired a dead set town read I couldn't understand, because town reads you can't understand often come from scum as they know alignments. It had everything to do with blazinghand and nothing to do with goodkarma.
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On March 18 2013 08:45 Vivax wrote:
DP chill down (coming from me, so it's serious business) and work towards persuading people of your own reads. There is only a GM wagon up now as alternative so I suggest you hop on that.
I find pretty much everyone scummy you do, but GM is the only working alternative now. We need to draw people to our wagon of rightfulness.
NO I am not going to vote for someone I don't think is scum unless I am absolutely going to get mislynched.
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On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night:
Regarding DarthPunk:
Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together.
And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned.
Regarding Grey:
I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:
##Unvote
##Vote: Grey
I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.
Give me a reason why I am looking scummy right now that isn't activity. I would really love to engage in some rational conversation with you.
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Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk
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On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk
That's because I am being attacked for ridiculous reasons. It does town no favours for me to get mislynched day one. Thus defending myself is the pro town thing to do. I actually believe in my case against VE you should read it.
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