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On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.
I'm sure I speak for Dr.H when I say watch the insults.
I think the cases surrounding me are very weak, but honestly I don't care. If I am lynched so be it. I think GK is the best option today and I urge people to vote for him.
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On March 18 2013 09:49 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that. I'm sure I speak for Dr.H when I say watch the insults.I think the cases surrounding me are very weak, but honestly I don't care. If I am lynched so be it. I think GK is the best option today and I urge people to vote for him.
How could you not care if you are lynched? That doesn't make any sense.
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I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait.
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Here are a bunch of zarepath's past filters, let's get to digging:
This Town Ain't Big Enough VT
NMMXXXVII VT
NMMXXXVI VT
And if you dig really far back you get his 1 scum game, which also happens to be the first game I played on TL as well. I don't know how well his scum meta would have held up as this game is more than a year old (Jan. 2012), and he has played a fair bit since.
NMMIII Goon
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On March 18 2013 09:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:29 goodkarma wrote:On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.
Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me. Why not Greymist? What about his play has you thinking he is town? I think a part of the reason for the explosion of votes against you is you seem more concerned about defending yourself than getting out your reads. You're in danger of getting lynched right now, and the only real scum suspect you have comes off as a heated OMGUS response... If you're town, then doing your best to get all your reads out on paper is your best play. Help us to see your thought process and show you're townie. The case against VE is not pure OMGUS. Please tell me what you think of it. Regardless OMGUS is not alignment indicative at all. I have my reads on paper. The reason I don't want to lynch greymist is that he has read as sensible and productive to me and as a rule I generally don't like lynching players like that day one. One second though. You said that you thought I was scummy before I started posting this morning. So it can't really be because of the 'OMGUS' case on VE (which is actually good) So why did you feel I was scummy earlier? before I started posting this morning.
It had to do with your proactive interest in lynching the lurker cosmic, as well as your super-early vote of geript. I get that these may have been "pressure votes," but you must understand this is all we had to go on for you for the longest time. So in the absence of nearly any other scumhunting involvement, I would say it looked pretty scummy.
And as far as OMGUS and emotional responses, yes these can come from town or scum. In my experience, though, you tend to be more emotional in your responses as scum than as town. It's something I've been looking out for.
I'm not discounting what you've said about VE as entirely invalid. But it also didn't feel to me to be a particularly strong case. That you were ready to drop consideration of all other cases and beeline for VE with what you presented seemed odd to me. At best, it was a passionate townie getting into a heated argument. At worst, a scum attempt to redirect conversation.
In short, I don't have you pegged as town right now (I would say leaning scum) and I understand why others are voting for you. My read on Grey is still much stronger though, especially considering his resistance toward addressing the case against him.
I still stand by what I said earlier though about giving you a chance. I believe there's still the possibility that this can be attributed to your prolonged absence. You'll just have to work overtime now though (if you're town) to prove yourself.
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DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far?
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On March 18 2013 09:58 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:34 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:29 goodkarma wrote:On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.
Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me. Why not Greymist? What about his play has you thinking he is town? I think a part of the reason for the explosion of votes against you is you seem more concerned about defending yourself than getting out your reads. You're in danger of getting lynched right now, and the only real scum suspect you have comes off as a heated OMGUS response... If you're town, then doing your best to get all your reads out on paper is your best play. Help us to see your thought process and show you're townie. The case against VE is not pure OMGUS. Please tell me what you think of it. Regardless OMGUS is not alignment indicative at all. I have my reads on paper. The reason I don't want to lynch greymist is that he has read as sensible and productive to me and as a rule I generally don't like lynching players like that day one. One second though. You said that you thought I was scummy before I started posting this morning. So it can't really be because of the 'OMGUS' case on VE (which is actually good) So why did you feel I was scummy earlier? before I started posting this morning. It had to do with your proactive interest in lynching the lurker cosmic, as well as your super-early vote of geript. I get that these may have been "pressure votes," but you must understand this is all we had to go on for you for the longest time. So in the absence of nearly any other scumhunting involvement, I would say it looked pretty scummy. And as far as OMGUS and emotional responses, yes these can come from town or scum. In my experience, though, you tend to be more emotional in your responses as scum than as town. It's something I've been looking out for. I'm not discounting what you've said about VE as entirely invalid. But it also didn't feel to me to be a particularly strong case. That you were ready to drop consideration of all other cases and beeline for VE with what you presented seemed odd to me. At best, it was a passionate townie getting into a heated argument. At worst, a scum attempt to redirect conversation. In short, I don't have you pegged as town right now (I would say leaning scum) and I understand why others are voting for you. My read on Grey is still much stronger though, especially considering his resistance toward addressing the case against him. I still stand by what I said earlier though about giving you a chance. I believe there's still the possibility that this can be attributed to your prolonged absence. You'll just have to work overtime now though (if you're town) to prove yourself.
If you feel that being emotional is scummy for me you should look at my last 3 town games for evidence that this is false. My interest was not lynching a lurker. It was lynching someone who I felt was deliberately misrepresenting things in order to lynch me, and then discovering that he was also sheeping. It happened to be on a lurker. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was lurking.
But sure. I will endeavour to try and lynch scum and you can read me from that. I would expect nothing less.
Do you buy VE saying that townies never vote for pressure or policy or any reason other than a scum read?
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On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait.
If someone is scum, we should lynch them. Play to win. I recall a post you made yesterday where you said, and i quote, "zarepath is SCUM", and he has certainly not done any town-telling since then.
DYH, I look forward to your conclusions from looking through zarepath's meta.
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On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far?
How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you.
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On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you.
So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him?
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On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him?
NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing.
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Hey sorry. I read the game a bit from my phone on break and just finished catching up. So some stuff is a bit hazy from a few hours ago. So I don't know exactly who said it, but seriously. I fucking said I had work. I am obviously not saying I have work and specifying hours just for kicks. If I say I have work don't expect me to post during that time.
I have been suspicious of Greymist from one of his first posts but chose not to say anything in order to see what else he would say. He never actually alleviated my suspicions and even though I think Coag is still worth lynching I am more than happy to lynch greymist. To speak a bit generically, I remember his "ahah!" post when someone called him out for inactivity and acting like it was all part of some crazy plan seemed particularly absurd and scummy to me.
So I would advise a switch. I haven't had time to read over the other cases unfortunately and I assume the day is ending in a few hours and I still won't be home for 2-3 hours.
To respond to the yamato stuff. I assume he was trying to figure out if I was a smurf or not which is why I just ignored it. There isn't much more to say.
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On March 18 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
If someone is scum, we should lynch them. Play to win. I recall a post you made yesterday where you said, and i quote, "zarepath is SCUM", and he has certainly not done any town-telling since then.
I am not disagreeing with you on any point here. But in LX Jungle Jorge/Sandroba put a vote on Vivax saying my lynch was stupid. My lynch was already set. I followed suit hoping others would do the same thing and at least listen to him. Instead I think everyone including Grush said it was the scummiest vote ever. Everyone. I wasn't in a good mindest and didn't play to my win con then. I'm not going to do that now. I can understand Zare being in a similar position and acting irrationally. That makes it worth risking a day.
I believe the points on GM make him scummy. Additionally I trust Sandroba's reads more than anyone else's in general. And Sandroba called him scummy.
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yesterday:
On March 17 2013 15:30 geript wrote:
I don't see any evidence from that game that Zarepath thought that claiming or not claiming town was in anyway alignment indicative. I also don't see how he would've formed a different opinion on the matter as I'm not aware of other games he's played in the mean time. The Zarepath that I remember from NMM37 was reasonable and interacted with the thread more. This Zarepath looks intentionally dense. I'm personally pissed that Sciberbia stole my thunder. Zarepath is SCUM.
On March 18 2013 00:30 geript wrote:
Fine, what are your reservations on a zarepath lynch?
On March 18 2013 00:56 geript wrote:
Sorry, missed that last line. Ok, then other than the quoting thing are there other reasons to be voting for TPS over Zarepath?
today:
On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.
On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait.
Does anyone else find this sequence of posts disturbing? Geript was clearly a big fan of lynching zarepath yesterday. He was in fact pushing the zarepath lynch. Since yesterday, zarepath looks if anything scummier, and the bandwagon on him has gotten stronger, and suddenly geript refuses to lynch him anymore.
I can't help but wonder if the geript + zarepath theory was right all along.
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On March 18 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:
Hey sorry. I read the game a bit from my phone on break and just finished catching up. So some stuff is a bit hazy from a few hours ago. So I don't know exactly who said it, but seriously. I fucking said I had work. I am obviously not saying I have work and specifying hours just for kicks. If I say I have work don't expect me to post during that time.
I have been suspicious of Greymist from one of his first posts but chose not to say anything in order to see what else he would say. He never actually alleviated my suspicions and even though I think Coag is still worth lynching I am more than happy to lynch greymist. To speak a bit generically, I remember his "ahah!" post when someone called him out for inactivity and acting like it was all part of some crazy plan seemed particularly absurd and scummy to me.
So I would advise a switch. I haven't had time to read over the other cases unfortunately and I assume the day is ending in a few hours and I still won't be home for 2-3 hours.
To respond to the yamato stuff. I assume he was trying to figure out if I was a smurf or not which is why I just ignored it. There isn't much more to say.
How do you feel about Zarepath? if you have time.
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Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide.
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Right now the 3 wagons are zarepath darthpunk and greymist.
I wouldn't want to encourage ppl to do this but the way he calls everyone suspicious of him scum is remarkably town-like.
Grey's looks fine to me so
## votezarepath
night all
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@Greymist:
I'm still waiting to hear your response to Ryu's case.
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Upon review I am fine with lynching either GreYMisT or zarepath (his latest post really throws me off).
Gonna go with GreYMisT because zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum.
##Vote: GreYMisT
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On March 18 2013 10:19 sciberbia wrote:yesterday: Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:30 geript wrote:
I don't see any evidence from that game that Zarepath thought that claiming or not claiming town was in anyway alignment indicative. I also don't see how he would've formed a different opinion on the matter as I'm not aware of other games he's played in the mean time. The Zarepath that I remember from NMM37 was reasonable and interacted with the thread more. This Zarepath looks intentionally dense. I'm personally pissed that Sciberbia stole my thunder. Zarepath is SCUM.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:30 geript wrote:
Fine, what are your reservations on a zarepath lynch? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:56 geript wrote:
Sorry, missed that last line. Ok, then other than the quoting thing are there other reasons to be voting for TPS over Zarepath? today: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait. Does anyone else find this sequence of posts disturbing? Geript was clearly a big fan of lynching zarepath yesterday. He was in fact pushing the zarepath lynch. Since yesterday, zarepath looks if anything scummier, and the bandwagon on him has gotten stronger, and suddenly geript refuses to lynch him anymore. I can't help but wonder if the geript + zarepath theory was right all along.
I don't like how Zarepath has been posting recently. His initial fearless posting (link)(link), however ill-advised it may have been, seemed to me to be townie. That plus my personal history with geript has led me to go soft on the two of them. I don't like that zarepath has become apologetic (link) and reserved (link), and his posting has gone down so much as the pressure has ramped up. That being said, his initial townlike recklessness and unthinkingness in posting resonates with me. His posting pattern tells me "town player who has no clue what he's doing" because of his initial earnestness. I will give him a second chance.
GreYMisT, on the other hand, does not deserve another chance. GK already went over the initial scumminess in GreYMisT's entry into the game; the active lurking (link), the "trap" that (link) even viewed in the best possible light, is a noncase and a vote-threat that doesn't directly mean anything. "I was a potential mislynch, so the guy who pushed me is scum" is not a reasonable case, and if GreYMisT were like Grush or something I'd be like "wow Grush is Grush" but GM is in fact GM and not Grush. He opposed my meta read on GK (link) saying "that's just how GK thinks" without actually referencing a game of GK playing scum and acting like this. He made a meta read not based on GK's scum meta, but on... well, his word. I've exetensively provided reasoning for why GK is playing to his town and not scum meta, and everyone who's actually clicked through on my links has at least in part agreed with me.
So what's with GreYMisT? He acts like he has a meta read on GK of "GK always posts like this as town or scum" but has NO EVIDENCE. He admits GK's actions could be town or scum (link) and after asserting that GK's actions are null, says he still wants to lynch GK (link) (link) only later supplementing his so-called "case" on GK with a one-liner (link) that actually literally refuses to engage with GK's defense. GreYMisT has slipped up badly-- he's accidentally let us peek behind the curtain at the man who doesn't think GK is scum but wants to lynch him anyways, the man who claims to have a meta read on GK but won't share details and has opted out of the town discourse as a result of his fixation on GK.
If GreYMisT were really after GK, and REALLY had something to say about my meta defense of GK, He'd say it. He'd have said it. He'd have shouted it to the heavens, linked and quoted the evidence, and bitch-slapped me like the young punk I am. GreYMisT has blinked, multiple times, because his town play is interfering with his ability push a mislynch as scum.
He is scum, and GK is town. We all know this to be true.
##unvote
##vote GreYMisT
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