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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 18 2013 01:46 GMT
#661
"oh wade fell don't you still want to lynch testsubject and TPS"

I'm gonna be straight with you: yes, I would love to lynch either of those clowns. I'd love it so much. But we've got like a few hours left in the day, and of the available wagons, there's a scum option. This isn't the time for a principled push of some doomed wagon, this is time to lynch scum. If your vote is on someone with like 1 or 2 votes, you either need to convince everyone to join you, or you need to get off the worthless wagon. Anything less is opting out of the town discourse and not an acceptable way to play.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 18 2013 01:48 GMT
#662
On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait.


wat
Politics is the Mind-Killer
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 18 2013 01:49 GMT
#663
OH gosh this game so hard. :/

How long til deadline? I want to read again...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 18 2013 01:50 GMT
#664
Day 1 began at 15:51 TL time, which means we have about 5 and a half hours until deadline.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 01:54 GMT
#665
Can somebody get a vote count?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
March 18 2013 01:55 GMT
#666
On March 18 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH gosh this game so hard. :/

How long til deadline? I want to read again...


I thought I was scum bro? How is the game hard now? Why did you lie about townies never pressure/policy voting?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 18 2013 02:10 GMT
#667
Well, I thought I'd have some time to post right now, but a friend I haven't seen in a while is back in town and I'm going out.

The GreY situation has put us in a bad position now, because he's not giving us anything to work with. He's either town who's given up or mafia who isn't going to give any information because he thinks he's dead. So all we have to work with is his earlier posts, and those get me to think he's scum, as per my earlier post.

So, that's where my vote's going. I don't know if I'll be back to read or change my vote before the deadline.
you gotta dance
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 18 2013 02:12 GMT
#668
Again, if I have to die so be it. the best I can do is say that I think goodkarma should be lynched.

After GK I think waveofShadow should be looked into, followed by testsubject. These are my feelings at the moment.
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 02:13 GMT
#669
@GreY
What are your thoughts on zarepath?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
March 18 2013 02:14 GMT
#670
Scum wouldn't just let themselves die day one without a fight. Neither would town. So GreyMist is being Weird.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 18 2013 02:21 GMT
#671
On March 18 2013 11:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Again, if I have to die so be it. the best I can do is say that I think goodkarma should be lynched.

After GK I think waveofShadow should be looked into, followed by testsubject. These are my feelings at the moment.

This martyr junk is really annoying. It is pure WIFOM bait and GreY has to know that.
Guts? Determination? $5?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 18 2013 02:37 GMT
#672
Looking back at the two games GreYMisT has been lynched (one as town and one as scum), he didn't really seem to do this in either. I'd consider village idiot, with the "I'll be active in 5 hours" followed by the one-liner "aperature 2 was already played", which could have been bait to get himself lynched, but in a normal game that seems unlikely. At least DarthPunk seems to care about dying, so between the two, I still think GreYMisT would be the better choice.

There does seem to be a heck of a lot of pushback on goodkarma though. There were quite a few players that all seemed to agree he was suspicious, yet there are only a couple of votes on him at the moment. Unfortunately, being awake for the 3AM deadline when I have to get up at 6AM isn't an option.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 02:43 GMT
#673
Kitaman, do you have an opinion on zarepath?

Also DYH, did you find anything interesting in zarepath's meta?

I guess I'll go make a votecount myself. Seems like we are between zarepath and greymist tho.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 18 2013 02:45 GMT
#674
@kita - The pushback on GK wasn't so much that I think he is townie, it is that his meta and his more recent posting has created enough doubt that I'm not comfortable pushing his lynch today.

Guts? Determination? $5?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
March 18 2013 02:48 GMT
#675
So why is everyone so convinced greymist is scum. I really don't get it. Like I understand, but I don't see how everyone can be so certain.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 18 2013 02:52 GMT
#676
On March 18 2013 11:48 DarthPunk wrote:
So why is everyone so convinced greymist is scum. I really don't get it. Like I understand, but I don't see how everyone can be so certain.


Realistically speaking he's the scummiest player that can be lynched today. Due to the unusual deadline, there will be no shennannies, as much as TPS and TestSubject need to be lynched. I understand that this is my own failure in getting others to join me on these wagons, but given the current circumstances, greymist is the scummiest lynchable player. And he IS scum. He's NOT pushing his objectives like a town GM would.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 18 2013 02:55 GMT
#677
On March 16 2013 23:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:
On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote:
im town thank god


In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum.

On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed?


VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation.

On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!

Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?!


Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated.

VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway?

I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote.

Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup.

/offtopic: flavor is awesome





The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi?

So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on.
Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum.


I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say.


GreYMist, whatever happened to this? You haven't mentioned me once since.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 18 2013 02:57 GMT
#678
On March 18 2013 11:55 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 23:43 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:
On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote:
im town thank god


In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum.

On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed?


VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation.

On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!

Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?!


Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated.

VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway?

I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote.

Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup.

/offtopic: flavor is awesome





The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi?

So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on.
Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum.


I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say.


GreYMist, whatever happened to this? You haven't mentioned me once since.


This ties into my "GM isn't honestly following up" theory-- he doesn't really believe in his cases so he's not putting in full effort.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 18 2013 03:00 GMT
#679
On March 18 2013 11:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Again, if I have to die so be it. the best I can do is say that I think goodkarma should be lynched.

After GK I think waveofShadow should be looked into, followed by testsubject. These are my feelings at the moment.

Solid feelings bro; I just got back to the thread to see you FoSing me with what must be your dying breath.
Anything to back up that read?

I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything.
I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 18 2013 03:07 GMT
#680
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth.
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