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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 18 2013 00:06 GMT
#621
On March 18 2013 09:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night:

Regarding DarthPunk:
Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together.

And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned.


Regarding Grey:

I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Grey




I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.


Give me a reason why I am looking scummy right now that isn't activity. I would really love to engage in some rational conversation with you.


Its because of GK's posts like these that I still feel like he is our best option.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:13 GMT
#622
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.

Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:14 GMT
#623
and I won't lynch Goodkarma either.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 00:19 GMT
#624
On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch.

On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.

Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.

The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.

I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.

##Vote: DarthPunk


Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 18 2013 00:19 GMT
#625
On March 18 2013 09:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night:

Regarding DarthPunk:
Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together.

And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned.


Regarding Grey:

I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Grey




I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.


Give me a reason why I am looking scummy right now that isn't activity. I would really love to engage in some rational conversation with you.


Its because of GK's posts like these that I still feel like he is our best option.



Care to elaborate a bit? I would especially be interested in knowing what you have to say about Ryu's case against you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 18 2013 00:20 GMT
#626
To every townie that is voting DarthPunk or someone else: Please help in lynching Greymist.

layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 18 2013 00:21 GMT
#627
On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.

Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me.

What do you think of zarepath or WoS?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:23 GMT
#628
On March 18 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.

Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.

The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.

I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.

##Vote: DarthPunk


Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him?


Wow. That is huge. The fact he is just piling on the wagon and his reasoning directly contradicts his previous position is worrying.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:25 GMT
#629
On March 18 2013 09:21 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.

Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me.

What do you think of zarepath or WoS?


Sciberbia just brought up something massive on zarepath. I could lynch him today. WoS has had so little impact I barely remember what he has even done. But I probably wouldn't lynch him today because there are better candidates in my opinion.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:26 GMT
#630
Yeah I am going to go for zarepath. VE can wait till another day. You should all read the case on VE and ask yourselves why VE says townies don't pressure or policy vote at the start of the game. When that is absolute rubbish.

Anyway,

Vote: Zarepath
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 00:28 GMT
#631
Just so everyone knows where I stand:

I'm still pretty interested in lynching zarepath and Greymist. Leaning more toward zarepath. GK might be scum but I'm more and more thinking he's town because of the way he's continually interacted with the thread while under pressure. Yes he is floundering a bit but that can happen to townies under pressure too. I'm also not a fan of the case on DP. I think his early vote is more likely a townie move because it draws attention to him. The fact that he is counterattacking everyone who attacked him is a common townie response. Furthermore, it seems like he genuinely wants to get VE lynched.

I'm stuck doing some dumb schoolwork right now, but after I'm done I hope to help us consolidate onto a good lynch. Will just be keeping up with the thread until then. 3.5 hours at the most. Hopefully less..
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 18 2013 00:29 GMT
#632
On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.

Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me.


Why not Greymist? What about his play has you thinking he is town?

I think a part of the reason for the explosion of votes against you is you seem more concerned about defending yourself than getting out your reads. You're in danger of getting lynched right now, and the only real scum suspect you have comes off as a heated OMGUS response... If you're town, then doing your best to get all your reads out on paper is your best play. Help us to see your thought process and show you're townie.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 18 2013 00:34 GMT
#633
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:34 GMT
#634
On March 18 2013 09:29 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Look I don't want to get mislynched. Everyone who is here please look at my VE case. If no one agrees and it isn't going anywhere I will consolidate onto someone that isn't Greymist.

Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me.


Why not Greymist? What about his play has you thinking he is town?

I think a part of the reason for the explosion of votes against you is you seem more concerned about defending yourself than getting out your reads. You're in danger of getting lynched right now, and the only real scum suspect you have comes off as a heated OMGUS response... If you're town, then doing your best to get all your reads out on paper is your best play. Help us to see your thought process and show you're townie.


The case against VE is not pure OMGUS. Please tell me what you think of it. Regardless OMGUS is not alignment indicative at all. I have my reads on paper. The reason I don't want to lynch greymist is that he has read as sensible and productive to me and as a rule I generally don't like lynching players like that day one.

One second though. You said that you thought I was scummy before I started posting this morning. So it can't really be because of the 'OMGUS' case on VE (which is actually good)

So why did you feel I was scummy earlier? before I started posting this morning.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 00:41 GMT
#635
On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.

lol are you talking to me?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:43 GMT
#636
On March 18 2013 09:41 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that.

lol are you talking to me?


I thought he was talking to me. LOL.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 18 2013 00:43 GMT
#637
Both you and DP.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 18 2013 00:46 GMT
#638
On March 18 2013 09:43 geript wrote:
Both you and DP.

Well if I'm fucktarded for agreeing with your top two reads in reverse order, I can't wait to see you address the rest of the thread voting for GK, DP, etc.

Carry on.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
March 18 2013 00:48 GMT
#639
Geript could you please explain to me why you think greymist is the best lynch today?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 18 2013 00:49 GMT
#640
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.

Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.

The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.

I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.

I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.

##Vote: DarthPunk


Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him?


I tried to actually see if sciberbia got something wrong here, but upon checking it's true.
Zarepath said that he found DP's entrance post scummy later on, but expressed doubts towards thinking he's scum later (30 minutes) for an early vote.

I agree that this is inconsistent.
Upon rereading Zarepath I actually realized my read might be wrong. I noticed another inconsistency:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:19 geript wrote:
On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:
And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response:

On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy.

First off, I dislike the fact that you mix up my tarot card thoughts and place them on VE. The thing that doesn't make sense to me whatsoever is how this post flows. I'm not seeing the jump in logic between either the setup speculation being scummy Or how VE's post leads directly from that. It's a subtle transition from X+Y are scummy into it's useless.
Then yoy transfer into:
On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:
So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later.

I'm not getting the logic jump here either. There isn't any real reason listed. There's no reason to expect to be able to jump straight to fucking without a little foreplay.

How do you explain this Zare? Why make a nothing post?


I find setup speculation something that a scum is more likely to want to do immediately on Day 1 than something that town is likely to want to do, because it requires zero reads on anyone else and if it EVER contributes to finding scum, it does so in an incredibly oblique way very much down the road. I don't see DAy 1 setup speculation as being one of the better things that town can do on Day 1.


I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now.

The VE quote at the end wasn't meant to suggest VE was scummy, but to suggest that he made a good point about sciberbia's contributions thus far. When I scum hunt, I look at each person individually, and so while I did put my suspicions on VE, the fact i'm suspicious of him doesn't mean I can't agree with his suspicions on someone else.

My suspect list at the end of the post was all justified by the contents of that post -- I didn't like Coag's town claim then subsequent nothing (or anything he's done since), I didn't like VE's town claim or weird scumhunting cirlce idea that almost seemed glib in tone, and I didn't like Peashooter's eagerness to talk extensively about setup speculation in a game where we were even warned things could change around; the likeliness of us figuring out this setup on Day 1 with no info is incredibly low and, as i mentioned above, an easy discussion for scum to participate in without giving themselves away, and I didn't like (as VE noted) sciberbia's certainty that people weren't scum.

It's true my post didn't lead to a full conclusive scum read and vote on anybody, but it's worthwhile to post my suspicions right now, and especially at a point in the day when I knew I'd be gone for a while. Sorry it didn't flow better for you, and hopefully this clears up what your concerns were.


On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote:
I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit.

It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed.

But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there.



TPS was basically one of the first setup speculators but he somehow preferred geript over him as scumread and never tried to pressure or interact with TPS (despite Wade being loud and hammering him, so he must have seen that going on in the thread).

I'm sold on hopping on the zarepath bandwagon, alternatively.
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