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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 19:59 GMT
#581
Thx Wiggles.

With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 17 2013 20:05 GMT
#582
On March 18 2013 04:57 sciberbia wrote:
Wiggles, how would you feel about a GreyMist or zarepath lynch?


VE, same question to you. Particularly GreyMist.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 20:18 GMT
#583
No I'm fine with GreYMisT for now. He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today.

This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited."
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 17 2013 20:18 GMT
#584
Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night:

Regarding DarthPunk:
Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together.

And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned.


Regarding Grey:

I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Grey




I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 17 2013 20:25 GMT
#585
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2013 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On March 18 2013 04:33 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2013 04:23 RyuSuzaku wrote:
I've just finished reading what I missed while I was gone. If sandroba is indeed inactive because of drinking or whatever, I don't think he's a good lynch at all. However, I think greymist is a great choice for lynch today. I so far am not at all convinced that GK or DP or any of the other current names being thrown around are scummier than greymist. I think our best chance to lynch scum today is this guy.

There are several major reasons; hopefully my quoting will help here.

1. Greymist excuses his lurking by saying that he was "setting a trap." I seriously doubt there was any sort of trap or intention behind the lurking, seeing as his entry post into the thread mentioned how busy he was.

2. When he was around, greymist didn't do anything other than respond to the host. Surely as a townie, if you know you are going to only be active for certain time periods, you will put effort into pushing your reads, or at least trying to make them. Lurking away your active periods sounds pretty antitown. I know at least for me personally, I do my best to read and post in order to solidify my reads during my active periods.

3. Greymist's posts come off as opportunistic. He accuses goodkarma of attacking "easy targets", yet he himself is guilty of attacking GK, someone I would classify as an easy target. GK also chose DarthPunk and sandroba as two of his four targets, both of which I would firmly classify as "not easy to lynch." GK gave fairly decent reasons for both, and those reasons are understandable from a GK-town perspective. For one, he acknowledges the differences in DP's play between this game and others in which he has played; this type of observation is characteristically rare for mafia players. The fact that greymist is not able to see these reasons is indicative of him being scum.

4. Greymist seems to be overly aware both of his own image and what the town in general thinks. There are a lot of questions to the effect of "what do people think of ____?" and also moments where he calls out players (knowingly) for things he himself is doing.

To this end, I give you the following:

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On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:

Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...

Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.

##Vote: Greymist

Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.

Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.

Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him.


Perfect, I was waiting for this!

Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should.

First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence.

Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker.

What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap.

This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them.

I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one.

I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise.



Note that his response to GK is nothing more than OMGUS. I seriously doubt greymist was setting a trap, given that he himself said how busy he was. He also does exactly the same thing he accuses GK of doing. GK, to me, simply seemed to be stating his reads and his rationale. His rationale appears to be backed up by actual effort-from my independent efforts, I can confirm that much of what he wrote about these players' metas is, on the whole, true.

On the other hand, greymist has put no such effort into verifying GK's assertions, nor does he do anything but dismiss GK's reads. In addition, he calls out GK for listing reads so he can allegedly later swap them, yet he basically does the same here:

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On March 18 2013 02:28 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.

I'd like to see a vote from him soon.


and here:

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On March 18 2013 02:42 GreYMisT wrote:
layabout I did just look at DP's filter again, and noticied that he commented on the same post that I did of goodkarma's. Something strikes me as odd about that post, with him seemingly calling him out on it, but then giving a fairly weak reason why he doesnt want gk lynched. I am wary of such stances.


and here:

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On March 18 2013 03:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else.


every time greymist posts a read, it's with very minimal effort-not something I would expect a townie to put forth. In addition, his posts are very opportunistic. He only does things under pressure, whether it be direct or indirect.

He only attacked GK under the obvious pressure of a vote. Sandro had already claimed suspicion of greymist, but greymist brushed it off-it was only when others agreed with sandro did greymist take the opportunity to attack GK.

When kita requested an opinion of greymist on vivax, he did nothing more than regurgitate kita's suspicions and dig up superficialities in how vivax responded.

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On March 18 2013 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:
Alright kitaman, I'm willing to lynch vivax or gk today. I think vivax might be scum not only because of the slip, but because of his 2 posts where he responds to your pressure.

On March 18 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:
I know. I used that wording in a cocky way since I felt very sure about having yamato in front of me. He didn't answer though and it might sound like I slipped his identity to others (assuming it's really him).

I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable.


On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.


Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often.

Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?


One thing that strikes me is Vivax's explination of being sure.. He says he was "so sure it was yamato" but in his followup post he gives an extremely weak reason of being so certain.

Also another small thing in addition to what kita pointed out, is this line "I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable."

Its subtle, but Vivax is essentially blaming his slip on us, even though he says that he would think the same thing in our position. He says that it wouldnt be his fault, when it very clearly would be.


I'm not going to mention why I find greymist to be incredibly suspicious after this last post, since I expect anyone reading thoroughly to be able to discern why.

##vote greymist



I'm with this guy ^
He knows what's up.
Not to mention the way greymist handled my sandro case (saying activity doesn't matter when my case isn't about activity) and the points previously mentioned by Ryu.

I think scum is trying to push a DP wagon. Let's go for Grey, sandro, cosmic or DYH instead.For justice.


So he wants to lynch Grey, sandro, cosmic or DYH, but thinks SCUM are pushing the DP wagon. Presently on the DP wagon: layabout, VE, WoS, glurio.

Soooo....several of those things are not like the others....


Not everyone who is on the wagon is scum, and not everyone voted in the voting thread but said they want to lynch him here, like cosmicomics. You should know my reads by now.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 17 2013 20:27 GMT
#586
goodkarma, can you answer to the point that was brought up (i forget by whom) about you at first saying that sandroba is lazy as both alignments and must be judged on the quality of his reads, and then later voting him for lurking?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 17 2013 20:32 GMT
#587
On March 17 2013 15:42 goodkarma wrote:
My case against you revolved around you contributing nothing when you were there. This is something that made you stand out to me over the lurkers. The last few hours, however, you have made it clear you have an active interest in the game which invalidates my original case points against.


On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Regarding Grey:
I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Grey


I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.


These two posts seem to contradict each other. You initially found GreYMisT scummy, but then you changed your mind, thinking he has an active interest in the game. Now, you're back onto GreYMisT, without addressing your previous town read on him. Is he no longer interested in the game? What in particular about Ryu's case do you agree with?
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 17 2013 20:34 GMT
#588
To Vivax: I don' think I could get behind a DoYouHas lynch. Reading him, he's not really striking me as that scummy. I don't see him supporting SAST as scummy, just as a contrary opinion. He's not really pushing it in a way that it's consuming all our conversations, which would be the scummy use of talking about it, focusing attention on it. He seems to be sharing thoughts pretty openly and interacting with the thread too.

On March 18 2013 04:57 sciberbia wrote:
Wiggles, how would you feel about a GreyMist or zarepath lynch?

I'm actually feeling the GreYMist lynch right now.

I didn't really like the way he entered the thread, and stated so earlier. When he posted later, he just made a post to Dr.H, and didn't respond to any of the posts against him. His "trap" seems pretty contrived to me. When asked about it by Kita, he doesn't respond. Then, his actions strike me as opportunistic. He hops onto GK, which was the major wagon, then when focus shifts somewhat towards Vivax, he quickly agrees with that case as well. He defends against the Sandroba lynch, but realistically, it wasn't going to happen at that point, because he had gone inactive. So, that makes that lynch really easy to defend, since a lot of it is based on activity.

I also like the Ryu's case against him, and agree with a lot of it.

On March 18 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I'm fine with GreYMisT for now. He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today.

This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited."

How do we know that though? He doesn't have any posts before then mentioning any opinion about GK. Also, kita asked him about the "trap", and GreY completely ignored him. He didn't deny that it was a trap, and didn't provide any explanation at all about what he meant. That seems evasive to me, because instead of clearing up confusion, he just lets it slide, like maybe people would forget about it.

As for GK, I'm somewhat less sure of my read now, after his recent posting and BH's meta defense of him. Looking at his past games, he does seem to have a distinction between his town and scum play, and his play this game is closer to his habitual town play. That isn't enough to completely clear him though, but his recent posts have done a bit to make me feel better about him. So right now, I'm not as strongly convinced he's scum, and might move my vote.

I need to do some stuff, so I probably won't post for a while. I want to see how the situation evolves and how GreY responds to points brought up against him, and to Ryu's case. I'll be back to post before the deadline.
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 17 2013 20:37 GMT
#589
On March 18 2013 05:27 sciberbia wrote:
goodkarma, can you answer to the point that was brought up (i forget by whom) about you at first saying that sandroba is lazy as both alignments and must be judged on the quality of his reads, and then later voting him for lurking?


By lazy I was more referring to his posting style (the typical brevity of his posts). And by lurking I mean as scum he likes to completely check out of thread... I feel it's pretty self-explanatory. At this point, he's being replaced though, and the host has clearly explained sandroba's actions, so as I've already stated I've dropped my case on him.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 17 2013 20:55 GMT
#590
On March 18 2013 05:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 15:42 goodkarma wrote:
My case against you revolved around you contributing nothing when you were there. This is something that made you stand out to me over the lurkers. The last few hours, however, you have made it clear you have an active interest in the game which invalidates my original case points against.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote:
Regarding Grey:
I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Grey


I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline.


These two posts seem to contradict each other. You initially found GreYMisT scummy, but then you changed your mind, thinking he has an active interest in the game. Now, you're back onto GreYMisT, without addressing your previous town read on him. Is he no longer interested in the game? What in particular about Ryu's case do you agree with?


Specifically some of the content on Vivax raised suspicion. Even a haphazard look into Vivax's filter would show that what he claims about thinking peashooter is Yamato checks out. Yet Grey pounced all over it. This ignorance could be characteristic of a townie, but it seems to be a pattern with Grey. He showed a similar pattern in his case against me as is shown pretty well in Ryu's case. This is what I found most convincing about Ryu's case.

If you were to look at my original case against Grey, it was based more on what he did with his posting time early. What I saw after my accusation was that Grey for the first time in the game was taking the time to put together a sizable case. I felt it was weak, but I didn't see clear scum motivation behind it. This was enough for me to consider him having an "active involvement," even if I didn't agree with his conclusions. I felt more strongly about lynching Sandroba at that point, and voteswitched. The part with Vivax as brought up by Ryu is what I found particularly alarming and is why I changed my vote back. When ignoring the facts like this becomes more of a pattern I feel it's more likely to be scum-motivated. Townies can be careless too, but the consistency with which he's careless indicates to me a disinterest in the game typical of scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 17 2013 21:48 GMT
#591
On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.

This is the post that made GM suspicious to me. The internal logic of it is just mindboggling to me. He's calling out Test for calling for pressure for Coag but for not pressuring him. Then he goes on to do the exact same thing:
On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.

This reads as he thinks of Test as a possible lynch candidate but he doesn't go on to pressure him at all. Moreso, he doesn't even go on to pressure his #1 lynch target and instead looks to pick a fight with him. There's only a short response to VE regarding Test and then that matter is dropped entirely.
On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:
I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one.

I get the logic of this, but the only "thread presence" person I see GM really attacking in his filter is Vivax. But that's only after VE states he could get behind it and after Vivax was already under pressure for the scumslip.

There's something that feels very off about VE this game. In LX he seemed focused and single minded trying to apply pressure like a hammer. In this game it's like he's looking more to find reasons not to lynch someone than reasons to lynch someone. It just feels very unlike LX in that in LX I got the sense D1 that he was actively pursuing things yet here he's just trying to softly bounce things around until he finds the right target.

Overall, I prefer GM to Zare.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 22:05 GMT
#592
Not seeing GM as scum, he seems to be scumhunting just fine, get on Darth.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 17 2013 22:18 GMT
#593
On March 18 2013 07:05 layabout wrote:
Not seeing GM as scum, he seems to be scumhunting just fine, get on Darth.


This is pretty generic if you want to defend him why don't you go into detail?

People posted extensive cases against your and VE's oneliners, there might be a reason why they are convincing no?
If you are really interested into defending him, what's holding you back? Why think DP is scum but GM shouldn't be another fine choice? Without debating it?
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 22:32 GMT
#594
On March 18 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 07:05 layabout wrote:
Not seeing GM as scum, he seems to be scumhunting just fine, get on Darth.


This is pretty generic if you want to defend him why don't you go into detail?

People posted extensive cases against your and VE's oneliners, there might be a reason why they are convincing no?
If you are really interested into defending him, what's holding you back? Why think DP is scum but GM shouldn't be another fine choice? Without debating it?

I don't think i need to go into detail about why i don't think that greymist is scum. He could be but i don't think so.

I have already gone into detail about why i think DP is scum.
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cosmicomics
Profile Joined March 2013
81 Posts
March 17 2013 22:41 GMT
#595
Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first.

On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS.

I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate.

##unvote

##Vote:Cosmicomics


Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?

DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted?

There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that.

##Vote: DarthPunk
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 22:42 GMT
#596
Hey cosmic, what are your thoughts about everything else?
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#597
@Vivax - This is the most open and active I have ever been in a game of mafia and it is in stark contrast with my scum games: Dwarf Fortress and Witchcraft. BH was host for witchcraft and co-host for dwarf fortress and should be able to vouch for this. Scib and DP also have played with me as scum and could give you even more insight. Even if you think I'm faking it and still scum, I'm trying to be open and active, which should make catching me all the easier.

As for the feeling like my posts are 'storytelling' I'm not sure how to respond because it is pretty vague. Maybe you mean that I like to paint things I comment on with the motivation or perspective I think corresponds. If that is the case then I don't see what is so scummy.

@Trance - You support lynching me, but until you actually get more involved in the thread or make a case with examples to refute, I feel no pressure from you. At least Vivax was trying to get people to look into/switch onto me.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 23:18 GMT
#598
On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:
Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS.

I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate.

##unvote

##Vote:Cosmicomics


Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?

DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted?

There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that.

##Vote: DarthPunk


Yeah he was starting to talk about something to do with tarot cards which is not much better, to be honest I just thought that the tarot card stuff was some variation of RNG in that it was going to determine a lynch candidate through arbitary means. Which it was. So it is exactly like RNG.

You are being pedantic to a fault and are trying to mislynch me off something ridiculous.

This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!"

Honestly in no way does anything you have wrote make me scum.

VE please re-read my posts and then discover that there is actually no contradiction whatsoever.

I didn't like GK's post. I also don't want to lynch Goodkarma today because I have played many games with him and know he is an asset as town whom I could also read if he was scum.

Not a contradiction. a completely valid position on goodkarma.

I didn't question BH for having a town read on someone I didn;t want to lynch. I questioned him for making a dead set town read on someone with really weak/no reasoning aside from some bad meta case. This is a question on BH not on goodkarma. and should be obvious. IS in fact obvious to others who read it correctly.

Also I don't like lurker policy lynches. But there is a difference between policy lynching a lurker and voting for someone who happens to be a lurker for nothing to do with lurking. Which you should know.




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cosmicomics
Profile Joined March 2013
81 Posts
March 17 2013 23:20 GMT
#599
goodkarma

Upon a personal reading of his filter alone, he doesn't seem that bad.
I see consistency in the evolution of his reads (everything comes from somewhere).
I also see him trying to use meta (on GreYMisT and sandroba) in what I think is a sensible way.

The initial suspicion on him before he made his big post made sense, but was cleared up as his "playstyle".
GreYMisT's case seems to be "goodkarma can't make a good case he is scum", which isn't sound because "good case" is pretty subjective, and townies can fail to make "good cases" all the time.

I'm a slow reader so I might have missed other key points but I don't think he is a good lynch.

zarepath
Ehh ... I'm leaning newbie town player trying to adapt to the major leagues. While more experienced players may know that posts such as "I'm town" are jokes to be ignored for real content, a newer player may not. His questioning of my initial case on DarthPunk seems like a very difficult one to fake from a scum perspective, as it exploits word definition.

I would give him a chance to get adjusted first.

Vivax
Doesn't quite understand how I play but is putting in what seems to be genuine effort for now, especially with his efforts to try to focus attention on me.


If there is anything specific you want to point out I can look at it, because I like to spent my time (at least for D1) reading at a larger scale.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 23:24 GMT
#600
Oh and viscera eyes stating that townies don't pressure vote in the first hour or something of the game and trying to get me lynched based on that blows my mind completely. everyone have a good look at VE please.

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