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On March 18 2013 03:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:24 Coagulation wrote:On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip? On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance. It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc. Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it. he could of easily put that in when he seen his slip to cover his ass. in fact thats what it looks like. seems out of place for sure. why did he not discuss this in the post where he uhh you know made the wild random accusation. What? If he saw a slip, why wouldn't he just not click up a line and hit backspace a few times instead of leaving it in and typing another line? That doesn't make any sense. That's also the first place I see him calling Peashooter Yamato. Did he call him Yamato before?
obviously only the slip after hitting post.
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Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum.
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On March 18 2013 03:32 Coagulation wrote:
he only seen*
If that were true, Vivax wouldn't have typed "since i think you're the guy i just mentioned" in the same post. I really think you're wrong here.
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Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk.
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hmm i see now... yeah this changes things..
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Vivax:
I just don't find DYH or cosmicomic scummy enough to warrant voting for them. If cosmicomic fails to post this cycle i can see lynching him D2.
Can you make a decent case on DarthPunk, VE? I really fail to see how you can see him as sure scum?
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On March 18 2013 03:44 glurio wrote:
Vivax:
I just don't find DYH or cosmicomic scummy enough to warrant voting for them. If cosmicomic fails to post this cycle i can see lynching him D2.
Can you make a decent case on DarthPunk, VE? I really fail to see how you can see him as sure scum?
that's really mean
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On a different note: i really want to lynch coag.
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On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk.
On the basis of the failed pressure vote, I don't find sufficient reason to call him scum. However, people need to learn that if you aren't willing to follow through, pressure voting is the same as typing "fuck you too" and calling it a day.
On the basis of OMGUS'ing cosmic, DP will do that as either alignment. I also missed where he "goes after lurkers" as you accuse him of. He goes after geript for RNG bullshit and cosmic for "misinterpretations"
His lack of real scum reads to date is the only thing that really concerns me. His argument with BH is that he found the reasons for defending GK wrong. Even if he town-read GK, I don't think this is a scummy or contradictory action. He also didn't really defend GK, he primarily wanted to defer lynching him because GK can be useful and DP says he can figure GK out.
I'm not inclined to vote DP today.
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kitaman27
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Hmm I didn't notice the "I think" part that was mentioned later after he references yamato directly. Without the scumslip, I think I'd rather go back to GoodKarma. GreYMisT, you mentioned it was the response, not the scumslip that you found suspicious. Does this change your views at all?
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Hope his vote was on a lurker yet his discourages voting for lurkers. (You might have classed me as a lurker at the time he went after me too).
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On March 18 2013 03:24 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip? On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance. It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc. Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it. he could of easily put that in when he seen his slip to cover his ass. in fact thats what it looks like. seems out of place for sure. why did he not discuss this in the post where he uhh you know made the wild random accusation.
What?
If he saw his own slip then why not just delete it or not post it rather than add in something extra you say makes him look suspicious?
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Derp apparently everyone got there before I did and there's a whole other page.
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It's the way he's approaching this game. He doesn't seem to care at all about finding scum.
On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:
##Vote:Geript
I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them?
This is his first vote. To this point, he has done nothing but soft defend people, and lightly agree with BH on a point he made about geript.
On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?
Which is even worse because in this post he openly acknowledges that he doesn't even really think geript is scum...that his vote was exclusively to "pressure" him to "stop what he's doing". Except...that's not what townies do with their vote. Townies try and kill scum with their vote. But apparently Cosmic is now scum because he didn't like Darth's vote. Whatever maybe I can roll with this....
On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Well. I really don't like this post from Goodkarma but maybe that is just my personal preference of not really liking posts that contain a paragraph each on several people. The case against goodkarma was your standard day one case that doesn't really feel very strong at all and I wouldn't like to lynch goodkarma today regardless. GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later. When it comes to what you said about me you are right I haven;t done much yet. But you are wrong that I was genuinely trying to lynch geript. It was a standard pressure vote at the beginning of the game and that should be obvious. Peashooter is pretty null at the moment I certainly don;t see anythign that would make me want to lynch him really badly. I am not sure that lurkers are really the place to look straight up. Sure, stick a vote on them and pressure them but I wouldn;t want to lynch someone just on inactivity.
...except by the time Darth makes this post Cosmic is a lurker. And read his last statement! :OOOOOOOO
Like, his reasoning isn't that he's a lurker, that much I'll admit. But the fact remains that Darth "doesn't think lurkers are the place to look" while his vote is ON a lurker.
In this post he also SIMULTANEOUSLY defends and attacks GoodKarma. I guess because it's not clear what thread sentiment is going to end up favoring or something, but ultimately ends up saying he doesn't want to lynch GK.
On March 17 2013 22:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing  ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK I have zero faith in your meta cases BH. and I think this is a super weak reason to be so confident in a town read. What gives?
But in the very next post attacks Wade for defending GK on meta? HE JUST DID THIS!
On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote:
GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later.
VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO
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On March 18 2013 03:56 layabout wrote:
Hope his vote was on a lurker yet his discourages voting for lurkers. (You might have classed me as a lurker at the time he went after me too).
Perhaps, but his reasons for voting were unrelated to activity. Voting a lurker is not the same as voting for being a lurker.
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But he's discrediting the case on Sandro as being "a lurker lynch" except it's not - it's true that he's lurking, but it's because his META suggests that he lurks as scum, so the REASONING for the lynch is META, not lurking.
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On March 18 2013 04:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:56 layabout wrote:
Hope his vote was on a lurker yet his discourages voting for lurkers. (You might have classed me as a lurker at the time he went after me too). Perhaps, but his reasons for voting were unrelated to activity. Voting a lurker is not the same as voting for being a lurker.
No but he says we should avoid lynching lurkers but also that we should lynch one.
He also seems to think he can get away with lurking day1 so he lurks and tells people to avoid lurkers.
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The thing that sticks out to me about your case VE is the bolded section where DP admits to not wanting to lynch a lurker, rather 'pressure' them with a vote. As stated earlier in the thread by GM I think, it really doesn't make sense at all to vote for lurkers just to pressure them (I learned this in my first NMM game) ESPECIALLY if you let the entire thread know it's just a pressure vote and you have no intent to lynch.
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