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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 18:12 GMT
#521
On March 18 2013 03:09 Coagulation wrote:
wuts up babycakes

Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Vivax other than the "scumslip"?

What are your most recent thoughts on goodkarma?

What are your most recent thoughts on TestSubject?
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 17 2013 18:16 GMT
#522
On March 18 2013 03:12 Coagulation wrote:
glurio your defending him pretty hard for someone who may have scum slipped.


I don't think he's scum.
I'd much rather lynch you, you're absolutely useless so far.

How about spending the time scumhunting?
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:17 GMT
#523
well not really but considering the slip would indicate that they are both scum and peashooter is my other best read so far the theory fits at any rate.

goodkarma isnt really popping out to me. want me to read his filter?

testsubject is same nothing comes to mind.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 18:17 GMT
#524
Alright kitaman, I'm willing to lynch vivax or gk today. I think vivax might be scum not only because of the slip, but because of his 2 posts where he responds to your pressure.

On March 18 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:
I know. I used that wording in a cocky way since I felt very sure about having yamato in front of me. He didn't answer though and it might sound like I slipped his identity to others (assuming it's really him).

I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable.


On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.


Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often.

Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?


One thing that strikes me is Vivax's explination of being sure.. He says he was "so sure it was yamato" but in his followup post he gives an extremely weak reason of being so certain.

Also another small thing in addition to what kita pointed out, is this line "I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable."

Its subtle, but Vivax is essentially blaming his slip on us, even though he says that he would think the same thing in our position. He says that it wouldnt be his fault, when it very clearly would be.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 17 2013 18:17 GMT
#525
On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.


To all the silly people who think this was a slip (as in, referencing to him as yamato without reason).
Should have gone back to this post before starting to explain :|

Lynch cosmicomics, kill scum.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 18:17 GMT
#526
On March 18 2013 03:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:09 Coagulation wrote:
wuts up babycakes

Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Vivax other than the "scumslip"?

What are your most recent thoughts on goodkarma?

What are your most recent thoughts on TestSubject?

What are your thoughts on DarthPunk and WoS?

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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:18 GMT
#527
On March 18 2013 03:16 glurio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:12 Coagulation wrote:
glurio your defending him pretty hard for someone who may have scum slipped.


I don't think he's scum.
I'd much rather lynch you, you're absolutely useless so far.

How about spending the time scumhunting?


the more you post the less I like you.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#528
On March 18 2013 03:18 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:16 glurio wrote:
On March 18 2013 03:12 Coagulation wrote:
glurio your defending him pretty hard for someone who may have scum slipped.


I don't think he's scum.
I'd much rather lynch you, you're absolutely useless so far.

How about spending the time scumhunting?


the more you post the less I like you.


I could make the same post about you.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 17 2013 18:21 GMT
#529
On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.


Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often.

Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?


sandroba is afk, which he does nearly 50% of the time, as both alignments. He did try to buddy me early on, but that was the last we heard from him. DrH said he had a reasonable excuse, so I'm willing to ignore him as null until his replacement comes in.

Your post on cosmic is reasonable. I do agree that the topics he feels relevant enough to comment on are quite weak. There are far more interesting things to discuss that he has ignored.

I'm not following what you're saying about DYH. Maybe you can explain what you are referencing.

I did go back through all of your games in your profile, but I couldn't find any post where you have "guessed" at a smurfs identity before, like you did here.

I was worried about your first post already when you started talking about "consolidate your posts" and "spoiler quotes" as this stuff isn't really helpful unless its post game advice and it seems like you were trying to make yourself town. This had me a moderate scum read even before the yamato post. I'm still considering goodkarma though, so I'll have to reread the thread once more before coming to a decision.

I would like to hear from TPS about the whole yamato situation as well, whether he confirms or denies it and why he ignored it the first time.

On March 18 2013 03:17 Coagulation wrote:
well not really but considering the slip would indicate that they are both scum and peashooter is my other best read so far the theory fits at any rate.

goodkarma isnt really popping out to me. want me to read his filter?

testsubject is same nothing comes to mind.


If TPS is your strongest read and the scumslip would indicate that are both scum, why vote for vivax over TPS?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:21 GMT
#530
it would be nice to have the suspected "yamato" come in thread and confirm deny this. Any one notice hes missing now the cats out of the bag?
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 17 2013 18:22 GMT
#531
Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip?

On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.

It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc.

Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it.
you gotta dance
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:22 GMT
#532
On March 18 2013 03:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.


Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often.

Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?


sandroba is afk, which he does nearly 50% of the time, as both alignments. He did try to buddy me early on, but that was the last we heard from him. DrH said he had a reasonable excuse, so I'm willing to ignore him as null until his replacement comes in.

Your post on cosmic is reasonable. I do agree that the topics he feels relevant enough to comment on are quite weak. There are far more interesting things to discuss that he has ignored.

I'm not following what you're saying about DYH. Maybe you can explain what you are referencing.

I did go back through all of your games in your profile, but I couldn't find any post where you have "guessed" at a smurfs identity before, like you did here.

I was worried about your first post already when you started talking about "consolidate your posts" and "spoiler quotes" as this stuff isn't really helpful unless its post game advice and it seems like you were trying to make yourself town. This had me a moderate scum read even before the yamato post. I'm still considering goodkarma though, so I'll have to reread the thread once more before coming to a decision.

I would like to hear from TPS about the whole yamato situation as well, whether he confirms or denies it and why he ignored it the first time.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:17 Coagulation wrote:
well not really but considering the slip would indicate that they are both scum and peashooter is my other best read so far the theory fits at any rate.

goodkarma isnt really popping out to me. want me to read his filter?

testsubject is same nothing comes to mind.


If TPS is your strongest read and the scumslip would indicate that are both scum, why vote for vivax over TPS?


ermm.. cause vivax is here talking to us taking pressure. not gonna do much good pressuring an afk guy.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 17 2013 18:23 GMT
#533
Ok, so i personally believe most of these accusations are weak but that's how i see it on day 1 generally. I will admit my case on goodkarma is piled by a bunch of assumptions and that is, like BH has pointed out, not a great thing for a lynch. However, there is a lack of response but I did say what others said and he is apparently playing like he normally does. TPS did not provide any form of defense so i still am suspecting him.
Greymist is a shady figure because his actions, greatly resemble what I do when I am scum. There is literally nothing to accuse DarthPunk and DoYouHas imo.

Vivax is looking to be an easy target to jump ship on, and i can't get a good read on him personally. He sheeped onto random people when there is a clear wagon he can contribute to as well as some of these random people being inactive or lurking. I also dont like the scumslip argument, it wasn't a hardslip at all and it's easy to bring attention to. I'd look at the people focusing on that tbh.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22168 Posts
March 17 2013 18:23 GMT
#534
Glurio don't get drawn into such conversation with Coag. You're playing his game on his own field.
Vigis should take care of him at night.

We should find a common lynch target, as pointed out here. Do you agree that Sandro's lynch should be delayed? Could you have a look at cosmic and DYH?

On March 18 2013 01:52 Vivax wrote:
@ Glurio, trance, Goodkarma


We currently have the same objectives for lynch I support either of the three candidates so we should probably pick the best out of them.
I feel like DYH has committed himself to posting that way and should not be prioritized. If he stops contributing we will notice and if he keeps it up we only gain more information about him so I think sandro and cosmicomics have higher priority.

Given cosmicomics strange defense by offense I think these two are possibly scumbuddies, more people might be opposed to lynching sandro cause he's considered (grrr...) a vet so maybe we should agree on cosmic?

Can you give your insight on what I wrote about him?


Assuming we delay sandro, do you feel more like cosmic is scum or DYH?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:24 GMT
#535
On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip?

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.

It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc.

Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it.



he could of easily put that in when he seen his slip to cover his ass. in fact thats what it looks like. seems out of place for sure. why did he not discuss this in the post where he uhh you know made the wild random accusation.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 17 2013 18:25 GMT
#536
On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip?

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.

It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc.

Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it.

Its not. Same way we shouldnt be lynching sand/his replacement yet.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 18:28 GMT
#537
Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk.

##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk


He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory.

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 17 2013 18:29 GMT
#538
On March 18 2013 03:24 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip?

On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.

It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc.

Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it.



he could of easily put that in when he seen his slip to cover his ass. in fact thats what it looks like. seems out of place for sure. why did he not discuss this in the post where he uhh you know made the wild random accusation.

His assertion that TPS is Yamato does not betray additional information or a mafia mindset. He thinks he knows who TPS is and is running with it. This "slip" is not a slip at all in my opinion.

At this point, TPS and Vivax cannot both be scum to me. Both are town or 1 is scum are the options I see.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 17 2013 18:29 GMT
#539
On March 18 2013 03:24 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Can someone explain how Vivax's post is even a slip?

On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out, gk isnt either i think.
Since i think you're the guy i just mentioned i might actually change my mind about you. Could you look at cosmicomics when you have time? Also sandro and especially his town meta. Never seen him make such an entrance.

It's not like he just calls him Yamato in passing, he calls him Yamato and then says he thinks that's who he is. I'm not going to get into the WIFOM of how he guessed him or not, because I have no idea how close they are, how much they've played together, etc.

Can someone provide some additional reasoning on how this actually makes him scum, and how this is enough to lynch him? I'm not really seeing it.



he could of easily put that in when he seen his slip to cover his ass. in fact thats what it looks like. seems out of place for sure. why did he not discuss this in the post where he uhh you know made the wild random accusation.

What? If he saw a slip, why wouldn't he just not click up a line and hit backspace a few times instead of leaving it in and typing another line?

That doesn't make any sense. That's also the first place I see him calling Peashooter Yamato. Did he call him Yamato before?
you gotta dance
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 18:30 GMT
#540
Can i be in SAST now?
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