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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 17:28 GMT
#501
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.

I'd like to see a vote from him soon.



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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#502
On March 18 2013 02:28 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.

I'd like to see a vote from him soon.

WoS has done bugger all but is telling us he has been doing stuff. He complains about inactivity whilst being inactive and he tried to shoot down SAST which is something i expect sum would do.

I don't want to lynch GK since his reads made sense from a town perspective.

What do you think about DarthPunk?

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#503
On March 18 2013 02:37 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 02:28 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm still voting for goodkarma for the moment, but what do people think of WaveofShadow? I just went through his posts and noticed that literally the only thing he has done this game is discuss meta, and not in the good way. To me it seems as though he is yet another player promising an opinion and saying he will look into things, but preparing excuses for a later sheep.

I'd like to see a vote from him soon.

WoS has done bugger all but is telling us he has been doing stuff. He complains about inactivity whilst being inactive and he tried to shoot down SAST which is something i expect sum would do.

I don't want to lynch GK since his reads made sense from a town perspective.

What do you think about DarthPunk?



Almost the exact same feeling as I get about wave. I mention wave over DarthPunk becuase DP is not guilty of wave's contridictions that you mentioned.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#504
WoS is likely town I believe, he opposed VE's fluff so openly. I agree that he's not contributing much for the moment but these things give me enough reason to believe he's town:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?

And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:

BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds.
Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX.
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.

Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused.


This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????).

Also notice the line thrown in the middle:


I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.


It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why.

Maybe to get me to respond you should make up another fake case on me and force me to defend myself.

No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta, and of the people I don't it's mostly speculative bullshit and others jumping down their throats based on a very early read. I'd rather make an educated case than a useless early game read/case that can get dumped on super quickly just to seem towny in your eyes, Zare.



This point of view I find pro-town. It's much more townie and transparent than what cosmicomics did with his weak, disinterested case that only helps him to look like he's scumhunting. WoS is being honest and fearless.

WoS is rather new here and I saw his performance as town in LX, it isn't wise to judge him by contribution when he's not very experienced.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
March 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#505
On March 18 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:
The "scumslip": I tried to guess TPS alignment, and it sounds a lot like (a townish) yamato, especially in the two posts after I voted for him. So I actually would like to know if it's really him since he didn't answer to me yet I think.

I'm not too bad at guessing smurfs, I like to do that as either alignment (LX as reference for me doing it as mafia, LIX for town where I guessed marv correctly).


I'm not really buying this explanation. When you addressed to him, you made it sound like a fact as if you knew he was yamato. If you were taking a guess, you could have said something like "hey, are you yamato?" or "This is yamato, isn't it?".

Furthermore, TPS posts after you address him as yamato and he thinks nothing of it. If I'm playing a game and someone calls me someone I'm not, I'm going to be awful confused. Even though that happened 10 pages ago, you never brought it up again. TPS had ignored your "guess", yet you never followed up on it. If you were truly curious, why not mention it?

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.

##Vote: Vivax
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 17:42 GMT
#506
layabout I did just look at DP's filter again, and noticied that he commented on the same post that I did of goodkarma's. Something strikes me as odd about that post, with him seemingly calling him out on it, but then giving a fairly weak reason why he doesnt want gk lynched. I am wary of such stances.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 17 2013 17:45 GMT
#507
I know. I used that wording in a cocky way since I felt very sure about having yamato in front of me. He didn't answer though and it might sound like I slipped his identity to others (assuming it's really him).

I think it's a stupid reason to lynch me although I would probably think something similar in your position. But if you do it, won't be my fault you lose something valuable.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 17 2013 17:46 GMT
#508
On March 18 2013 02:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm still catching up, but to Kenpachi and Kitaman if you're still around, are you still in support of your votes on GK, or are you looking at other candidates?

yes. I have been considering TPS as a 2nd alternative. I'm reading other cases atm but I don't really want to give up my case on gk. FoS for now because evidence has been weltering as of recently.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
March 17 2013 17:48 GMT
#509
On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Perfect, I was waiting for this!

Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should.

First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence.

Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker.


This doesn't make sense.

You were "waiting for this"?

So are you saying you were setting a trap, being afk without contributing anything, and then when someone calls you out about it, you're going to pounce on them?

How do you distinguish between a pressure vote and a real vote anyways? At that point it seemed quite reasonable to vote for you, I was considering it. I still think it would be reasonable to vote for you. So say I voted for you, rather than the guy leading the lynch vote. Would I have fallen for your "trap"? I find this scummy.

As for goodkarma, I haven't moved my vote because I was sastisfied with his response. I am still leaning scum on him, though with GreYMisT and goodkarma going after each other, I'm not sure if they are trying to create distance or one of them is actually town. I think Vivax is a more sure bet however, based on the slip early.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
March 17 2013 17:51 GMT
#510
On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:

You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given.


Regarding this: I wanted to know if the guy is yamato cause if he is, I'd give him a townread (Feeling sure he was at that moment). If you go look, my read on him changed after his two big, abrasive posts (go look them up with the # at my post), where I assumed he was yamato cause yamato has an extensive work schedule and posts like that towards people who accuse him often.

Kita, can you look at my cases regarding sandro, cosmic and DYH before jumping to conclusions and tell me what you agree and disagree with?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 17:54 GMT
#511
Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again.

Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today.

Where's the beef?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 17:54 GMT
#512
On March 18 2013 02:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Perfect, I was waiting for this!

Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should.

First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence.

Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker.


This doesn't make sense.

You were "waiting for this"?

So are you saying you were setting a trap, being afk without contributing anything, and then when someone calls you out about it, you're going to pounce on them?

How do you distinguish between a pressure vote and a real vote anyways? At that point it seemed quite reasonable to vote for you, I was considering it. I still think it would be reasonable to vote for you. So say I voted for you, rather than the guy leading the lynch vote. Would I have fallen for your "trap"? I find this scummy.

As for goodkarma, I haven't moved my vote because I was sastisfied with his response. I am still leaning scum on him, though with GreYMisT and goodkarma going after each other, I'm not sure if they are trying to create distance or one of them is actually town. I think Vivax is a more sure bet however, based on the slip early.


I have to consider a pressure vote and a real vote the same, or else a pressure vote, by definition, loses its meaning.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 17 2013 18:01 GMT
#513
Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else.
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:05 GMT
#514
Vivax lynch plz.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 17 2013 18:08 GMT
#515
On March 18 2013 03:05 Coagulation wrote:
Vivax lynch plz.

But why? for "scumslip"? what else you got bro?
Also, any thoughts on zarepath?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 17 2013 18:09 GMT
#516
Coag are you here? Because I want to pick your brain about some things but if you're just gonna go "lol lynch" then I'm not gonna bother. Will you play Mafia with me for a minute?
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 17 2013 18:09 GMT
#517
Why lynch vivax? His play is completely different from his scum play last game, he contributes, doesn't clog everything up with one-liners and has a train of thought that is possible to follow.
I really think the yamato thing was a genuine guess.
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:09 GMT
#518
wuts up babycakes
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 17 2013 18:12 GMT
#519
On March 18 2013 00:17 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 23:29 glurio wrote:
Ok finally done with reading.
Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through.

zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today.

sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game.

On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious.

He posts this but so far no follow-up.
Scum.

##Vote: sandroba

What i dont get is how you're defending zarepath for inactivity but you accuse sandroba for inactivity. do you consider that sandroba may just be busy? You can only back yourself up with 2 days of evidence.



Because zarepath's inactivity fits his meta, and my personal experience playing with him.
While sandrobas didn't fit his town meta at all. Might it be a bit premature? Yes, possible. But my vote added pressure on my scumread.
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 17 2013 18:12 GMT
#520
glurio your defending him pretty hard for someone who may have scum slipped.
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