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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
He posts about how he finds Scib suspicious near the beginning of the game and consequently never mentions him again. He then talks about how he agrees with the case against GK but never follows up on that. In essence, he merely lists his suspicions but never pushes on his targets at all, hoping that others will do the work for him! This seems to be a classic example of 'trying to fit in'. Hence, I will vote for DoYouHas. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote: LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote ##Vote:Cosmicomics Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? WTF On March 17 2013 19:41 sciberbia wrote: Thoughts on lynch candidates GreyMist I could pretty easily see GreyMist being scum. I agree with what sandroba and somebody else said about his first post. Then he lurked for a while. Upon emerging from lurking, he jumped on a post of GK accusing him of lurking saying "I've been waiting for this!". Then he repeatedly piled on GK. I see scum motivation here where greymist justifies his lurking and pushes a mislynch. Two birds with one stone. Also, I don't think his arguments about GK are particularly good. I wouldn't feel too bad about a greymist lynch today. Peashooter I don't want to lynch him. Pretty good chance he's town. He drew attention to himself with the Coag thing, continued to push Coag, picked a fight with DH, and has shown willingness to interact with the thread. Seems more likely town than not. Not sure if he is even a lynch candidate anymore. Coagulation I don't vote people unless I think they are scum and I really don't have a clue. if I had to hazard a guess I would say town. TestSubject The main accusation seems to be that he chose to talk about stuff other than who he thinks is scum. I don't know TestSubject but he seems relatively new so it's a bit unreasonable to demand original scumreads after just one read-through. Also, his willingness to interact with the thead and some of the stuff he says about GK gives me a townie feel. Not interested in lynching TestSubject. zarepath I'm pretty interested in lynching this guy. I stated some supsicions before and his behavior since then further suggests he is scum. Here are the quotes: + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote: I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit. It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed. But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there. On March 17 2013 12:34 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: Sundays are my busiest days and I am not likely to be around as much as some of you may like tomorrow. I will check up on the thread and read through it when I can and such and certainly have a vote in, but I won't be making it into the SAST tomorrow, that's for sure. Just an FYI for you all. I don't like the first post at all. He says he hasn't commented on the GK or TPS bandwaggons because he isn't "entirely convinced". Again, he makes it seem like he is very suspicious of people but doesn't commit. He says that the fact that TPS is a proxy "muddles the waters a bit" but does not explain at all how it affects his read of TPS. Seems like a way to just avoid having to give a read on TPS. Furthermore, he describes GK's behavior as "quite scummy" but then sympathizes with the same behavior that he just called "quite scummy." More of the same non-commital and devil's advocate. Next, he says he is busy on Sundays and disappears when I ask him to clarify his read on TPS. goodkarma Here are some of the more important reasons that I found goodkarma suspicious: - he felt the need to comment on VE's SAST post but didn't come to any conclusion about VE from it - his first few posts reek of 'i am goint to say non-controversial things so please don't pay any attention to me' - his playing mr. nice guy with coag However, after reading through some of his previous games, I think there's a pretty decent chance he's townie this game. He loves to talk about policy in general so I can see him going out of his way to talk policy about VE. Also, his posts since his accusation of Greymist have just been giving me a townier feel. He is willing to talk with people in the thread and isn't just vanishing like scum are prone to do when under pressure. Blech I dunno about this guy. Right now my gut feeling is town. cosmicomics I don't know if he's really a lynch candidate but his filter is pretty alarming. It consists of a pretty much 100% sheep off of layabout onto DP and pretty much nothing else. Also I think he is a smurf which makes this an even bigger cause for concern. I feel best about a zarepath lynch. I'm voting him now. Going to bed pretty soon but will be online for at least a little while longer if anyone wants to discuss something with me. ##Vote: zarepath WTF On March 17 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote: A NEW CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING ## Vote: DoYouHas WTF On March 17 2013 23:29 glurio wrote: Ok finally done with reading. Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through. zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today. TestSubject: In his last game where he was anti-town he played pretty tame D1, usually agreeing to stuff and basically not drawing attention, picking a fight with one of the loudest voices in the thread? Don't think he would draw that much attention to him as scum. He won't get a vote from me either. TPS: While i think his setup speculation makes for a scummy beginning he kinda redeemed himself for me with his posts pointing out coagulation who i think looks scummy right now. Coagulation: I think he looks scummy. Although he has a few posts none of them have any kind of content. Since he obviously is not new to mafia, i really think he should pick up his play. sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game. He posts this but so far no follow-up. Scum. ##Vote: sandroba WTF | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote: Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
r u dumb? | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
A player's town play and his scum play do not substantially differ on D1 between games. An normally active player would be active in throwing around accusations as town or as mafia. A lurker would lurk regardless of his role as town or scum. There is no incentive for them to behave differently at the start of the game. Anyways, my point boils down to this: why would a mafia member play differently on D1 than they would if they were town? The only change that I could see is that they would become more aggressive to try to mislead the town. But hold off on your meta arguments until D2 and beyond. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On March 18 2013 00:06 kitaman27 wrote: ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? Yeah...I don't think this was ever revealed in game. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On March 17 2013 23:29 glurio wrote: Ok finally done with reading. Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through. zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today. sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game. He posts this but so far no follow-up. Scum. ##Vote: sandroba What i dont get is how you're defending zarepath for inactivity but you accuse sandroba for inactivity. do you consider that sandroba may just be busy? You can only back yourself up with 2 days of evidence. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Posts on DYH are...interesting. I'm curious to know where his vote is going to go and why. Re: ThePeashooter On March 17 2013 16:17 ThePeashooter wrote: I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts. + Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] + On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote: why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote: We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote: Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote: man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory lucked On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote: Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote: I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote: Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing  )But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote: Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks. On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote: I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote: :| I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote: Ok here's what I'm going to do i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote: tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: cause I got nothin really On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote: Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game. Wade makes an excellent point about this post. Unlike Ryu who comments on the matter and lets it pass, TPS goes to the trouble of finding and quoting all of these Wade posts he didn't like. Why? What's the point? They're already in the thread once and he's bitching about it. WHY PUT THEM IN THE THREAD AGAIN? ##Unvote: goodkarma ##Vote: ThePeashooter I could also be convinced to vote for zarepath. He's rattled off 4 people that he's suspicious of, but has put no further effort into expanding his read on them and has given us literally no information to work with. All of his posts smack of "trying to blend in". | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
However, the Vivax-ThePeaShooter thing is super-super-suspicious. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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geript
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(both at VE) | ||
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TranceStorm
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
geript: I thought I stated that I'm not really reserved about a zarepath lynch? I'm just content with my vote where it is. Zarepath is like...#2 for me right now. Make him #1 and you'll have my vote. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 18 2013 00:38 geript wrote: Also, do you intend to be giving actual reasons for lynching people or just more random bullshit? (both at VE) WTF is this? I've explained my reasoning for every vote I've made. If you don't like my explanation fine, but nothing I've posted has been "just random bullshit". | ||
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geript
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 18 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: WTF is this? I've explained my reasoning for every vote I've made. If you don't like my explanation fine, but nothing I've posted has been "just random bullshit". Look, my reaction to the SAST thing is that it was either going to be awesome or retarded. It also seemed to lock players votes together in a disadvantageous way in that it prevented players from throwing their weight around with the vote. But once you got back and explained it, the concept made more sense to me. I just didn't think that GK's response was malicious and that you blew it out of proportion. I'm not seeing your point on TPS. The requoting thing seems like such a ticky-tack thing to be voting for someone for so it seems like BS. Do you have any actual intention of talking about Zarepath? | ||
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geript
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geript
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On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote: I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now. Didn't even Dr.H point out the that natural reaction to get to after going through a filter and arriving at null for town is to go through another filter? Sciberbia's case is good. There's almost no movement from him whatsoever; just random statements. When he's suspicious of someone he's not interacting with the thread at all when pressure is on that person. It's like he's watching the game from a window. Hell, he even didn't like the warbaby lynch in NMM 37, which you coached scum in, but here he's null on everything it seems. He's lied about every scum claiming town in the first post as it was actually most of the town players who soft and/or hard claimed town in the mid-stages of day 1. He's not showing any town motivation that I've seen whatsoever. His meta's off from 37. And the survival mentality is in his posts throughout. | ||
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