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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 06:58 GMT
#441
quoted for filter
On March 17 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote:
TPS, I think we want the same thing here. We want you to post more and explain your thought process, and me to post less trying to prod you into doing so. Let's do that.

Politics is the Mind-Killer
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 17 2013 07:00 GMT
#442
I'm off to bed, I likely won't be able to post until tomorrow evening. Good night and Good luck.
Guts? Determination? $5?
ThePeashooter
Profile Joined March 2013
United States100 Posts
March 17 2013 07:17 GMT
#443
On March 17 2013 15:58 DoYouHas wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1.


You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing.

I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts.
+ Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] +

On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote:
why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego

I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it

On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum.


So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then?


We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything

On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game

On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game

To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated.

Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me.

On March 17 2013 14:23 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game


Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try.


It's not easy being one of the 2

On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote:
man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you

oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory

lucked

On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote:
Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack

On March 17 2013 14:27 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint.


I'm just mad at oats really

On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote:
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town

On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote:
Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk

On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


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On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK

On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote:
Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks.

On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does.


Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct.

On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII

On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote:
:|

I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here

On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote:
Ok here's what I'm going to do

i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy

So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong

testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today

On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way

On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK


They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling


:| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something

On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
cause I got nothin

really

On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail.

geript:
The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy.

zare:
Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post.

If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare.

How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys.


Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you.


Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM.

On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.


This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.


Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game

On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail.

geript:
The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy.

zare:
Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post.

If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare.

How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys.


Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you.


Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM.

On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.


This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.


Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game


Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.


Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|

On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.

I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.


Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him.

I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....



On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way


How does this make sense as town?


Read the longer post.




Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 07:21 GMT
#444
On March 17 2013 16:17 ThePeashooter wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:58 DoYouHas wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1.


You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing.

I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts.
+ Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] +

On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote:
why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego

I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it

On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum.


So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then?


We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything

On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game

On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game

To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated.

Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me.

On March 17 2013 14:23 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.


Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game


Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try.


It's not easy being one of the 2

On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote:
man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you

oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory

lucked

On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote:
Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack

On March 17 2013 14:27 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint.


I'm just mad at oats really

On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote:
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town

On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote:
Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk

On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK

On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote:
Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks.

On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does.


Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct.

On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII

On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote:
:|

I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here

On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote:
Ok here's what I'm going to do

i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy

So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong

testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today

On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way

On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


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On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK


They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling


:| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something

On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
cause I got nothin

really

On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail.

geript:
The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy.

zare:
Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post.

If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare.

How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys.


Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you.


Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM.

On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.


This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.


Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game

On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail.

geript:
The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy.

zare:
Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post.

If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare.

How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys.


Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you.


Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM.

On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.


This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.


Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game


Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.


Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|

On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.

I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.


Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him.

I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....



On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way


How does this make sense as town?


Read the longer post.




Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game.


That's a lot of effort put into just quoting a bunch of my posts for no discernible reason. Look, I post a lot and if you're legitimately angry want me to post less, I can try to cut down the insults. I think what's really got your goat though isn't how much i'm posting, but the fact that I'm not willing to lay off the pressure on you. Is it really so bothersome that I'm actively involved in the back-and-forth discussion, or are you just scum trying to avoid actually talking about the game?

If it makes you feel better, I won't say anything that would make your mother blush, but I will not tone down my level of activity because my top scumread is mad that he got caught with his pants down

huehuehuhue
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 07:23 GMT
#445
In any case, if you consider that matter resolved, I'm ready to tango with you on whatever your next not-actually-relevant-to-the-game issue is. I sincerely respect your high level scum play.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
March 17 2013 07:25 GMT
#446
Normally, this is where i'd post an ms paint drawing of me literally having a goat that belongs to TPS, but i think i shoudl reserve that for top top scumread testsubject when i get a chance to interact with him.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 17 2013 07:25 GMT
#447
quoted for filter ._. also yes i am aware no images in this game and yes I am aware with this filter quote this is a quad post :|

On March 17 2013 16:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Normally, this is where i'd post an ms paint drawing of me literally having a goat that belongs to TPS, but i think i shoudl reserve that for top top scumread testsubject when i get a chance to interact with him.

Politics is the Mind-Killer
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 17 2013 07:44 GMT
#448
DYH, Sandroba and VE: What are your current thoughts on Zarepath?

Also, VE I'm not getting the case on GK. GM looks far more scummy to me; can you please explain why GK's a better target?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 17 2013 10:41 GMT
#449
Thoughts on lynch candidates

GreyMist
I could pretty easily see GreyMist being scum. I agree with what sandroba and somebody else said about his first post. Then he lurked for a while. Upon emerging from lurking, he jumped on a post of GK accusing him of lurking saying "I've been waiting for this!". Then he repeatedly piled on GK. I see scum motivation here where greymist justifies his lurking and pushes a mislynch. Two birds with one stone. Also, I don't think his arguments about GK are particularly good. I wouldn't feel too bad about a greymist lynch today.

Peashooter
I don't want to lynch him. Pretty good chance he's town. He drew attention to himself with the Coag thing, continued to push Coag, picked a fight with DH, and has shown willingness to interact with the thread. Seems more likely town than not. Not sure if he is even a lynch candidate anymore.

Coagulation
I don't vote people unless I think they are scum and I really don't have a clue. if I had to hazard a guess I would say town.

TestSubject
The main accusation seems to be that he chose to talk about stuff other than who he thinks is scum. I don't know TestSubject but he seems relatively new so it's a bit unreasonable to demand original scumreads after just one read-through. Also, his willingness to interact with the thead and some of the stuff he says about GK gives me a townie feel. Not interested in lynching TestSubject.

zarepath
I'm pretty interested in lynching this guy.

I stated some supsicions before and his behavior since then further suggests he is scum. Here are the quotes:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote:
I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit.

It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed.

But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there.

On March 17 2013 12:34 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: Sundays are my busiest days and I am not likely to be around as much as some of you may like tomorrow. I will check up on the thread and read through it when I can and such and certainly have a vote in, but I won't be making it into the SAST tomorrow, that's for sure. Just an FYI for you all.



I don't like the first post at all. He says he hasn't commented on the GK or TPS bandwaggons because he isn't "entirely convinced". Again, he makes it seem like he is very suspicious of people but doesn't commit. He says that the fact that TPS is a proxy "muddles the waters a bit" but does not explain at all how it affects his read of TPS. Seems like a way to just avoid having to give a read on TPS.

Furthermore, he describes GK's behavior as "quite scummy" but then sympathizes with the same behavior that he just called "quite scummy." More of the same non-commital and devil's advocate.

Next, he says he is busy on Sundays and disappears when I ask him to clarify his read on TPS.

goodkarma
Here are some of the more important reasons that I found goodkarma suspicious:
- he felt the need to comment on VE's SAST post but didn't come to any conclusion about VE from it
- his first few posts reek of 'i am goint to say non-controversial things so please don't pay any attention to me'
- his playing mr. nice guy with coag

However, after reading through some of his previous games, I think there's a pretty decent chance he's townie this game. He loves to talk about policy in general so I can see him going out of his way to talk policy about VE. Also, his posts since his accusation of Greymist have just been giving me a townier feel. He is willing to talk with people in the thread and isn't just vanishing like scum are prone to do when under pressure.

Blech I dunno about this guy. Right now my gut feeling is town.

cosmicomics
I don't know if he's really a lynch candidate but his filter is pretty alarming. It consists of a pretty much 100% sheep off of layabout onto DP and pretty much nothing else. Also I think he is a smurf which makes this an even bigger cause for concern.



I feel best about a zarepath lynch. I'm voting him now. Going to bed pretty soon but will be online for at least a little while longer if anyone wants to discuss something with me.

##Vote: zarepath
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 11:36 GMT
#450
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:
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On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:
On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:

Sandro:

I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.

What does town sandro look like?

What do you think of DarthPunk?

You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?"

So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?

##Vote: DarthPunk


LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS.

I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate.

##unvote

##Vote:Cosmicomics


Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 13:42 GMT
#451
On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:

Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...

Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.

##Vote: Greymist

Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.

Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.

Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him.



Well. I really don't like this post from Goodkarma but maybe that is just my personal preference of not really liking posts that contain a paragraph each on several people.

The case against goodkarma was your standard day one case that doesn't really feel very strong at all and I wouldn't like to lynch goodkarma today regardless. GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later.

When it comes to what you said about me you are right I haven;t done much yet. But you are wrong that I was genuinely trying to lynch geript. It was a standard pressure vote at the beginning of the game and that should be obvious.

Peashooter is pretty null at the moment I certainly don;t see anythign that would make me want to lynch him really badly.

I am not sure that lurkers are really the place to look straight up. Sure, stick a vote on them and pressure them but I wouldn;t want to lynch someone just on inactivity.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 13:43 GMT
#452
On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote:
why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego

I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it


LOL I know for a fact that you are wrong quite often. <3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 17 2013 13:48 GMT
#453
A NEW CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING


## Vote: DoYouHas
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 13:53 GMT
#454
On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:
Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +
(like latest Batman movie disappointing )
.

But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.:

A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat.

Jhuyt:
Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him.

Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.:


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On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore:

##Vote: Jyuht

Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him.


Golbat:
I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII.

##FoS: Golbat


YourHarry:
I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either.



is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK


I have zero faith in your meta cases BH. and I think this is a super weak reason to be so confident in a town read. What gives?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
RyuSuzaku
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan139 Posts
March 17 2013 13:57 GMT
#455
man, Wade Fell and VE are so damn annoying. There were a full 2 pages of nothing but useless one liners. I think you both are scaring off posters and it's troublesome.

sandroba hasn't responded to my vote nor has he done anything since his initial comments. I think he has a very good likelihood of being scum because of this. I'd expect him to at least do something in the meantime, but he's simply lurking. While greymist is still a bit suspicious, he at the very least seems to have put in some effort toward finding scum. His target is not very great IMO, but at the very least he is not still lurking.
Dragon Bird
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 17 2013 14:03 GMT
#456
On another note, I endorse DP's target as well. More of my reasons when I'm at a keyboard.

For a start,

Look at cosmicomics entrance into the thread and wonder: Would this be the first question I make as town?

Look at Sandro's town meta: Did he ever come into the game spitting out reads and not-reads without explanation and fucking off?

Look at DoYouHas:
1. His posts read to me like he's trying to tell a story, not like he's actively trying to figure the game out, subjective feeling.
2. He was too agreeable towards the SAST thingy from the start. It's fluff and should be treated like fluff.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 14:12 GMT
#457
On March 17 2013 05:00 layabout wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:
##Vote:Geript

I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them?


+ Show Spoiler [Bias] +

On March 16 2013 16:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 16:43 geript wrote:
On March 16 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet?


Yeah I really like this actually. What Gives?

I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested. How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?


I feel the whole RNG thing is fucking retarded in general. But that's just me.

(British mini)
On January 04 2013 14:51 DarthPunk wrote:
He is pissed off at an obviously crafted policy post. I myself hate that shit most of the time and can empathise with his position even if I don't agree with all of it.

Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy.

Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either.



This game DarthPunk has vote for geript and wants him dead. And yet he appears to be doing this on the basis that geript was attempting an RNG lynch. He doesn't state that geript is scummy but still votes for him. DarthPunk admits that he hates that RNG/policy talk but NOT that it's scummy.

This is scummy.


It's called a stop being a moron vote. That should be obvious. Is obvious. And you are scummy as fuck for not 'understanding' that.

Now I don't know who I want to lynch more you or Cosmi for sheeping something as bad as this so blatantly. I probably go with the scummy sheep for now though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 17 2013 14:15 GMT
#458
Righty-O off to bed. I had friends over today which is why I was useless. I'll be on in the morning to tear it up.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
ThePeashooter
Profile Joined March 2013
United States100 Posts
March 17 2013 14:25 GMT
#459
I have work 11 to 7pm EST. I don't expect to be home until around 11pm EST. Just letting you all know.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 17 2013 14:29 GMT
#460
Ok finally done with reading.
Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through.

zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today.

TestSubject: In his last game where he was anti-town he played pretty tame D1, usually agreeing to stuff and basically not drawing attention, picking a fight with one of the loudest voices in the thread? Don't think he would draw that much attention to him as scum. He won't get a vote from me either.

TPS: While i think his setup speculation makes for a scummy beginning he kinda redeemed himself for me with his posts pointing out coagulation who i think looks scummy right now.

Coagulation: I think he looks scummy. Although he has a few posts none of them have any kind of content. Since he obviously is not new to mafia, i really think he should pick up his play.

sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game.
On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious.

He posts this but so far no follow-up.
Scum.

##Vote: sandroba
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