EPTOn March 17 2013 15:20 Coagulation wrote:
who the fuck is bh
who the fuck is bh
wade fell
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GreYMisT
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Wade Fell
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On March 17 2013 15:20 Coagulation wrote: who the fuck is bh me | ||
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DoYouHas
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VisceraEyes
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Here's a question for you: if you disagreed with ALL of my points and honestly believed them to boil down to the summaries you provided, why weren't you suspicious of me for trying to engage this clearly anti-town move for you? | ||
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DoYouHas
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VisceraEyes
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On March 17 2013 15:24 DoYouHas wrote: Why would a scum GK put his top two scum reads as GM and Sandro in the post that is supposed to get people off his back? It just doesn't makes sense to me from a scum perspective. Sandro the hypervet is suspicious of GreY and sandro himself is also hyperlurking. Those are two pretty easy targets to be suspicious of, and there are worse lurkers in the game at the time (namely, me...the President, Executor, Voice and Will of the SAST) | ||
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GreYMisT
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What is a towns objective when making a case? In my eyes it is not to say someone is scum; it must go deeper than that. You job is to display why the actions you have noted make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. The reason you need to do this, aside from the obvious, is that scum can have a very hard time actually finding and pointing out pure scum motivations. In his cases, GK really has not done any of this. He has posted things that are indicative of both poor scum play and poor town play. | ||
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geript
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On February 11 2013 23:41 zarepath wrote: Yeah, this feels a lot like the last time we mislynched warbaby so far. I'm not saying there's nothing there, but it is very easy to rile this guy up and get confirmation bias. We still have a lot of Day 1 left and a lot of people to consider still, and I think that if warbaby's detractors are satisfied with the evidence in his defense, we should look at some other people and allow warbaby to take a step back himself and make some of his own reads. If by the end of the day, you still think warbaby is the scummiest, go ahead and make a case and vote for him. But let's proactively avoid tunnel visioning here. He also made a completely fake case on WoS which included: On February 12 2013 00:38 zarepath wrote: A few things here. WaveofShadow takes upon himself the mantle of being the Reasonable Break-It-Up! Guy, even though people have already moved on. It's not Being Town, it's Acting Town. Also note the insinuation that nothing in the thread so far has been worthy of contribution -- the scumhunting hasn't started yet, according to him. He simultaneously puts himself up as Pro-Town and everyone before him as Anti-Town. It's all posturing, zero substance. The bolded section referenced a part where WoS had referred to it as "my town" and someone called him out on it. I don't see any evidence from that game that Zarepath thought that claiming or not claiming town was in anyway alignment indicative. I also don't see how he would've formed a different opinion on the matter as I'm not aware of other games he's played in the mean time. The Zarepath that I remember from NMM37 was reasonable and interacted with the thread more. This Zarepath looks intentionally dense. I'm personally pissed that Sciberbia stole my thunder. Zarepath is SCUM. Next, WoS get your ass in here. Looking into the GK and GM stuff now. | ||
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DoYouHas
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GreYMisT
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VisceraEyes
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On March 17 2013 15:31 DoYouHas wrote: I don't quite follow you. I agree that GreY and Sandro are easy targets separately. I don't think that is the case when you suspect them together unless you are Ryu or agree with Ryu that their interaction was fishy from the start (not a stance that GK took). Why? What is the difference? He can only vote one of them. | ||
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ThePeashooter
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On March 17 2013 14:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I actually find this a little tough to respond to, because most of my stance towards Coag is based on gut feeling, so that makes it harder to put it into words and explain adequately. Basically, Coag makes short posts a lot of the time, and spams sometimes. He will also post emotionally sometimes. It depends a bit on context though. If he's been playing here recently and he got called out for spamming or not being present in the thread 24 hours a day, I could see him making those posts towards you. If he's scum though, he's smart enough to post like that in order to leverage it to his advantage somehow. In my experience, he isn't the most useful player on Day 1, and starts to have better reads and to share those reads and go after players on later days. That's why I'd be hesitant to lynch him right now. I'd rather wait and just see how he plays. If he doesn't do anything, we can lynch/vig him, otherwise, he'll start to pull his weight. He doesn't play the same as a lot of other people, and I guess it's a little similar to Kenpachi or something. Games I've seen sometimes recently have people wanting to kill Kenpachi because he posts a lot of one-liners and some spammy throw-away posts. But, that's just the way he plays, and people aren't used to it. Coag is kind've similar, unless he's changed since I've played with him. So, I can't contradict that his posts haven't had a ton of bearing on the game so far, or that his response to you was a bit disproportionate, but I can't say I want to lynch him for it, since lynching him would basically be a coin-flip at this stage of the game, as I don't think the way he's been playing is really indicative of his alignment. You can try to policy lynch him, but it won't do anything. You'll just do it for a few games in a row, and he'll just stop playing here for a while. I don't see him changing his play-style just because some people don't like it. tl;dr: Wait and see? I can't make a judgement call one way or the other as far as his alignment (i.e. he's null to me), so I think a different lynch is a better bet to hit red. I respect your opinion, but I feel waiting this out is a bad idea. It's one of those things that's going to constantly be put to a "Next time around" thing, where he will always be second priority. Trust me, Kenpachi was on my list too but I'd probably just try to get a vigi to do it. As a side note, I never try to delegate to vigi's because they usually never listen and a plan should never hinge on them actually listening or doing anything. | ||
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goodkarma
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On March 17 2013 15:28 GreYMisT wrote: Here is something for the rest of you to think about. What is a towns objective when making a case? In my eyes it is not to say someone is scum; it must go deeper than that. You job is to display why the actions you have noted make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. The reason you need to do this, aside from the obvious, is that scum can have a very hard time actually finding and pointing out pure scum motivations. In his cases, GK really has not done any of this. He has posted things that are indicative of both poor scum play and poor town play. "Pure scum motivations," as in your case against me? Over half the players would qualify as "easy" "lurker-lynches" right now. Yet you seem to completely overlook this... My case against you revolved around you contributing nothing when you were there. This is something that made you stand out to me over the lurkers. The last few hours, however, you have made it clear you have an active interest in the game which invalidates my original case points against. That leaves Sandro, for whom lurking specifically matches with his scum meta. And that is why he stands out above the other "lurkers." There are literally only a handful of people right now who are active (none of which I have a scumread on), so if you choose to hold against me that I'm choosing "easy targets" on that grounds then I'd say you're being a bit ridiculous. I'm following my top scumreads. Tbh, I don't care if you think they're easy. Anyhow: ##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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DoYouHas
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On March 17 2013 15:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? What is the difference? He can only vote one of them. The difference is that scum want to be consistent in their reads, particularly when under pressure. Sandro's suspicion of GreY creates conflict in GK's reads because it is less likely that they are both scum (not guaranteed, but that is why I pointed out Ryu). Scum want consistency so that they can keep things straight and avoid scrutiny. Town care less about consistency and more about being right. Also, this was my initial response which is still relevant: On March 17 2013 14:44 DoYouHas wrote: I found it surprising, but not particularly scummy. Picking 2 people as your top scum reads (at least the ones he is most likely to vote) in spite of them being at odds with each other earlier in the thread is a bold move. It strikes me as the paranoia of a townie, not the calculated target of scum(yes, you are slowly winning me over BH/GK). | ||
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ThePeashooter
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Wade Fell
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On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote: Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. please stop you're so helpful stop being so helpful | ||
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ThePeashooter
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DoYouHas
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On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote: Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing. | ||
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