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On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise.
First off, while you're here would you kindly provide a game you've played in?
Secondly I call you my top scumread, and say exactly why. With like half the players in lurker mode, as scum I would have ample "easy targets" to choose from. But as I've said, and as you've failed to discredit, you have been around. Every time you pop in though it's to bring up another shitty one-liner of no content or substance. And yes, you've had an extended absence, but that wasn't even the focus of my arguement. It was based on when you were here. Only when you're accused do you seem to be inspired to contribute anything more. "Easy" or no, you as described are my top scum read.
Even including this quoted post, everything you've done is safe.
Edit: more content for me to analyze now apparently but going to be posting this anyway since thread is going pretty fast...
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No he joined that pack of n00bs with Kita.
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On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you.
Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM.
On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.
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On March 17 2013 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. I got this too. Aside from participating in a little dick waggling with BH I haven't seen much scummy from him either. What do you think about Sandroba? He thinks you're mightily suspicious apparently.
it's a large dick waggling, unless we're talking about testsubject, in which case yes it is a little dick waggling
the fact that testsubject has to be coerced into helping and has this issue with "town atmosphere" and Ve's role speculation still dominates my read of him. Look at it this way: testsubject, although he is not the sharpest chicken in the barrel, is capable of at least attempting on his own to write a case or push a read. Why isn't he doing that except when we prod him in the ass? at least an initial prodding might be forgiven if he actually did any work.
Where is he ever doing anything other than slinging mud around, trying to appear helpful, etc
like just the fact that we had to yell him into producing "supported" scumreads (as opposed to lynch preferences) AND have to wring a GK read out of him by hand is preposterous coming from a guy talking about town atmosphere
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On March 17 2013 14:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I need to think a bit about GK and the points brought up in his defense. So, I'll take some time to digest the information, but might not be back to post for a while.
Since you seem to know his play intimately, BH, is there anywhere I can read where he was put under pressure or threat of lynch? If there's examples as both alignments, that would be nice. I didn't follow any of his games, so I can't find it easily without reading them all.
FYI: Links to all my games are included in my profile.
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On March 17 2013 15:01 goodkarma wrote:@Grey:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise. First off, while you're here would you kindly provide a game you've played in? Secondly I call you my top scumread, and say exactly why. With like half the players in lurker mode, as scum I would have ample "easy targets" to choose from. But as I've said, and as you've failed to discredit, you have been around. Every time you pop in though it's to bring up another shitty one-liner of no content or substance. And yes, you've had an extended absence, but that wasn't even the focus of my arguement. It was based on when you were here. Only when you're accused do you seem to be inspired to contribute anything more. "Easy" or no, you as described are my top scum read. Even including this quoted post, everything you've done is safe. Edit: more content for me to analyze now apparently but going to be posting this anyway since thread is going pretty fast...
How many shitty one liners have I posted? You are making it very clear that you just looked over my filter real fast. Almost all of my posts happened in a very close time frame (about 1-2 hours together.) following that I made one post directed at Dr. H, and then went silent.
oh and here this is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080
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On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.
Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game
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On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game
Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.
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BH looks to be pretty right about GK's meta. The two scum games I looked at from him have GK throwing out FOS and votes early and being aggressive. While the two town games I scanned he starts of the games slow, being hesistant (his word) and the heat comes out later.
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On March 17 2013 15:03 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:01 goodkarma wrote:@Grey:On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise. First off, while you're here would you kindly provide a game you've played in? Secondly I call you my top scumread, and say exactly why. With like half the players in lurker mode, as scum I would have ample "easy targets" to choose from. But as I've said, and as you've failed to discredit, you have been around. Every time you pop in though it's to bring up another shitty one-liner of no content or substance. And yes, you've had an extended absence, but that wasn't even the focus of my arguement. It was based on when you were here. Only when you're accused do you seem to be inspired to contribute anything more. "Easy" or no, you as described are my top scum read. Even including this quoted post, everything you've done is safe. Edit: more content for me to analyze now apparently but going to be posting this anyway since thread is going pretty fast... How many shitty one liners have I posted? You are making it very clear that you just looked over my filter real fast. Almost all of my posts happened in a very close time frame (about 1-2 hours together.) following that I made one post directed at Dr. H, and then went silent. oh and here this is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080
Maybe what I'm trying to get at is with the time it took you to make those 5-6 "one-liners" you could have made a few higher-value posts but chose not to...
And congrats on themed game win%, but sadly that still doesn't really show me how you perform in a normal game. I guess I'll just have to assume you don't play them, and I'll have no history to look through...
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On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment.
Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him.
I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....
On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way
How does this make sense as town?
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On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game
Test actually made me paranoid for a bit with his speculation. DrH said he wanted to play with conversion mechanics and I thought that joining the group might be prerequisite or something. Clearly I've moved on from that.
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On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.
Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|
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On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....
Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way How does this make sense as town?
Read the longer post.
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On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|
Next time someone asks me what I think about someone I'll just ignore them then.
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On March 17 2013 15:15 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Next time someone asks me what I think about someone I'll just ignore them then.
Wow so helpful
so pro-town
no wait the opposite of that
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On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|
As I described, I didn't want a poorly formed town circle full of sheep blindly following someone who for me was a null read... I tend to talk a bit about policy, which may be a fault of mine. But if a town circle is to be formed my motive behind my comments there was to make sure it was formed right.
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On March 17 2013 15:11 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:03 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 15:01 goodkarma wrote:@Grey:On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote:
Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.:
Greymist
First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything...
Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value.
##Vote: Greymist
Darthpunk
Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him.
Peashooter
When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind.
Sandroba
Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Perfect, I was waiting for this! Does anyone else but me find this post odd? let me tell you why you should. First off. I have contributed about 0 things this game. Zilch. Nada. So much so that it honestly should be a null/leaning scum tell on me. Especially considering I have not been around for the last few hours or so. Its not like im spamming or trolling, I have been a non presence. Now normally this would be an OK pressure vote, if thats what this was. HOWEVER, he says that I am his number 1 scumread (he's willing to put a vote on me), saying that I have had ample opportunity to contribute, and am MORE than a lurker. What makes this an accusation post rather than just a defense post by me, however, is when we look at the rest of his reads. Instead of just pushing me and trying to convince town to get behind my lynch (something you can see every other town player doing, after all the goal of this game is to reach a majority on players), he goes on to make sure the town knows he MIGHT be swapping to another person, thereby setting himself up for a future vote swap. This is not only to mention the content of his reads here. Notice that he really doesn't have anything to say, and picks on the easy targets. More notably, is that he picks on targets with the same sins as me this game, yet not mentioning why he is voting me over them. I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I will be voting goodkarma until I can be convinced otherwise. First off, while you're here would you kindly provide a game you've played in? Secondly I call you my top scumread, and say exactly why. With like half the players in lurker mode, as scum I would have ample "easy targets" to choose from. But as I've said, and as you've failed to discredit, you have been around. Every time you pop in though it's to bring up another shitty one-liner of no content or substance. And yes, you've had an extended absence, but that wasn't even the focus of my arguement. It was based on when you were here. Only when you're accused do you seem to be inspired to contribute anything more. "Easy" or no, you as described are my top scum read. Even including this quoted post, everything you've done is safe. Edit: more content for me to analyze now apparently but going to be posting this anyway since thread is going pretty fast... How many shitty one liners have I posted? You are making it very clear that you just looked over my filter real fast. Almost all of my posts happened in a very close time frame (about 1-2 hours together.) following that I made one post directed at Dr. H, and then went silent. oh and here this is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080 Maybe what I'm trying to get at is with the time it took you to make those 5-6 "one-liners" you could have made a few higher-value posts but chose not to... And congrats on themed game win%, but sadly that still doesn't really show me how you perform in a normal game. I guess I'll just have to assume you don't play them, and I'll have no history to look through...
I count 3 one-liners that I have made, not counting the ademdum to one of my posts in which I spot an editing mistake.
Your misrepresentation of your case on me makes it evident that you have not put much thought into it, and more than likely just scanned your "reads'" filters for a case to jump on, and found mine, likely suspecting sandroba support (though this is, admittedly, a stretch).
I don't care about your case on me anymore, its clear to me you don't really have one. My vote stays on you for now.
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On March 17 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| As I described, I didn't want a poorly formed town circle full of sheep blindly following someone who for me was a null read... I tend to talk a bit about policy, which may be a fault of mine. But if a town circle is to be formed my motive behind my comments there was to make sure it was formed right.
Even in the worst case scenario though, which is like several active players end up following a scum VE, there's like infinitely more pressure and spotlight on VE and he will eventually slip up and be outed. If VE is town it's a town-motivated plan, and if VE is scum he's insane and will be caught.
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