With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir?
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir? | ||
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On March 18 2013 04:57 sciberbia wrote: Wiggles, how would you feel about a GreyMist or zarepath lynch? VE, same question to you. Particularly GreyMist. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited." | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Regarding DarthPunk: Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together. And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned. Regarding Grey: I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.: ##Unvote ##Vote: Grey I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline. | ||
Vivax
21689 Posts
On March 18 2013 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote: So he wants to lynch Grey, sandro, cosmic or DYH, but thinks SCUM are pushing the DP wagon. Presently on the DP wagon: layabout, VE, WoS, glurio. Soooo....several of those things are not like the others.... Not everyone who is on the wagon is scum, and not everyone voted in the voting thread but said they want to lynch him here, like cosmicomics. You should know my reads by now. | ||
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:42 goodkarma wrote: My case against you revolved around you contributing nothing when you were there. This is something that made you stand out to me over the lurkers. The last few hours, however, you have made it clear you have an active interest in the game which invalidates my original case points against. On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Grey: I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.: ##Unvote ##Vote: Grey I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline. These two posts seem to contradict each other. You initially found GreYMisT scummy, but then you changed your mind, thinking he has an active interest in the game. Now, you're back onto GreYMisT, without addressing your previous town read on him. Is he no longer interested in the game? What in particular about Ryu's case do you agree with? | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 18 2013 04:57 sciberbia wrote: Wiggles, how would you feel about a GreyMist or zarepath lynch? I'm actually feeling the GreYMist lynch right now. I didn't really like the way he entered the thread, and stated so earlier. When he posted later, he just made a post to Dr.H, and didn't respond to any of the posts against him. His "trap" seems pretty contrived to me. When asked about it by Kita, he doesn't respond. Then, his actions strike me as opportunistic. He hops onto GK, which was the major wagon, then when focus shifts somewhat towards Vivax, he quickly agrees with that case as well. He defends against the Sandroba lynch, but realistically, it wasn't going to happen at that point, because he had gone inactive. So, that makes that lynch really easy to defend, since a lot of it is based on activity. I also like the Ryu's case against him, and agree with a lot of it. On March 18 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No I'm fine with GreYMisT for now. He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today. This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited." How do we know that though? He doesn't have any posts before then mentioning any opinion about GK. Also, kita asked him about the "trap", and GreY completely ignored him. He didn't deny that it was a trap, and didn't provide any explanation at all about what he meant. That seems evasive to me, because instead of clearing up confusion, he just lets it slide, like maybe people would forget about it. As for GK, I'm somewhat less sure of my read now, after his recent posting and BH's meta defense of him. Looking at his past games, he does seem to have a distinction between his town and scum play, and his play this game is closer to his habitual town play. That isn't enough to completely clear him though, but his recent posts have done a bit to make me feel better about him. So right now, I'm not as strongly convinced he's scum, and might move my vote. I need to do some stuff, so I probably won't post for a while. I want to see how the situation evolves and how GreY responds to points brought up against him, and to Ryu's case. I'll be back to post before the deadline. | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On March 18 2013 05:27 sciberbia wrote: goodkarma, can you answer to the point that was brought up (i forget by whom) about you at first saying that sandroba is lazy as both alignments and must be judged on the quality of his reads, and then later voting him for lurking? By lazy I was more referring to his posting style (the typical brevity of his posts). And by lurking I mean as scum he likes to completely check out of thread... I feel it's pretty self-explanatory. At this point, he's being replaced though, and the host has clearly explained sandroba's actions, so as I've already stated I've dropped my case on him. | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On March 18 2013 05:32 kitaman27 wrote: These two posts seem to contradict each other. You initially found GreYMisT scummy, but then you changed your mind, thinking he has an active interest in the game. Now, you're back onto GreYMisT, without addressing your previous town read on him. Is he no longer interested in the game? What in particular about Ryu's case do you agree with? Specifically some of the content on Vivax raised suspicion. Even a haphazard look into Vivax's filter would show that what he claims about thinking peashooter is Yamato checks out. Yet Grey pounced all over it. This ignorance could be characteristic of a townie, but it seems to be a pattern with Grey. He showed a similar pattern in his case against me as is shown pretty well in Ryu's case. This is what I found most convincing about Ryu's case. If you were to look at my original case against Grey, it was based more on what he did with his posting time early. What I saw after my accusation was that Grey for the first time in the game was taking the time to put together a sizable case. I felt it was weak, but I didn't see clear scum motivation behind it. This was enough for me to consider him having an "active involvement," even if I didn't agree with his conclusions. I felt more strongly about lynching Sandroba at that point, and voteswitched. The part with Vivax as brought up by Ryu is what I found particularly alarming and is why I changed my vote back. When ignoring the facts like this becomes more of a pattern I feel it's more likely to be scum-motivated. Townies can be careless too, but the consistency with which he's careless indicates to me a disinterest in the game typical of scum. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote: TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him. This is the post that made GM suspicious to me. The internal logic of it is just mindboggling to me. He's calling out Test for calling for pressure for Coag but for not pressuring him. Then he goes on to do the exact same thing: On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote: I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. This reads as he thinks of Test as a possible lynch candidate but he doesn't go on to pressure him at all. Moreso, he doesn't even go on to pressure his #1 lynch target and instead looks to pick a fight with him. There's only a short response to VE regarding Test and then that matter is dropped entirely. On March 17 2013 14:38 GreYMisT wrote: I can tell you why, Its because my lack of thread presence, to a scum player, would basically have them salivating for a day 1 miss lynch. I am an easy, low risk lynch with almost no thread presence to back myself up. I find this post suspicious because it is a cookie cutter, "here are a few reads" post that has no interaction with other players, no real pushing, no new information, and in my eyes makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one. I get the logic of this, but the only "thread presence" person I see GM really attacking in his filter is Vivax. But that's only after VE states he could get behind it and after Vivax was already under pressure for the scumslip. There's something that feels very off about VE this game. In LX he seemed focused and single minded trying to apply pressure like a hammer. In this game it's like he's looking more to find reasons not to lynch someone than reasons to lynch someone. It just feels very unlike LX in that in LX I got the sense D1 that he was actively pursuing things yet here he's just trying to softly bounce things around until he finds the right target. Overall, I prefer GM to Zare. | ||
layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Vivax
21689 Posts
On March 18 2013 07:05 layabout wrote: Not seeing GM as scum, he seems to be scumhunting just fine, get on Darth. This is pretty generic if you want to defend him why don't you go into detail? People posted extensive cases against your and VE's oneliners, there might be a reason why they are convincing no? If you are really interested into defending him, what's holding you back? Why think DP is scum but GM shouldn't be another fine choice? Without debating it? | ||
layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 18 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote: This is pretty generic if you want to defend him why don't you go into detail? People posted extensive cases against your and VE's oneliners, there might be a reason why they are convincing no? If you are really interested into defending him, what's holding you back? Why think DP is scum but GM shouldn't be another fine choice? Without debating it? I don't think i need to go into detail about why i don't think that greymist is scum. He could be but i don't think so. I have already gone into detail about why i think DP is scum. | ||
cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote: LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote ##Vote:Cosmicomics Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
As for the feeling like my posts are 'storytelling' I'm not sure how to respond because it is pretty vague. Maybe you mean that I like to paint things I comment on with the motivation or perspective I think corresponds. If that is the case then I don't see what is so scummy. @Trance - You support lynching me, but until you actually get more involved in the thread or make a case with examples to refute, I feel no pressure from you. At least Vivax was trying to get people to look into/switch onto me. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote: Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk Yeah he was starting to talk about something to do with tarot cards which is not much better, to be honest I just thought that the tarot card stuff was some variation of RNG in that it was going to determine a lynch candidate through arbitary means. Which it was. So it is exactly like RNG. You are being pedantic to a fault and are trying to mislynch me off something ridiculous. This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!" Honestly in no way does anything you have wrote make me scum. VE please re-read my posts and then discover that there is actually no contradiction whatsoever. I didn't like GK's post. I also don't want to lynch Goodkarma today because I have played many games with him and know he is an asset as town whom I could also read if he was scum. Not a contradiction. a completely valid position on goodkarma. I didn't question BH for having a town read on someone I didn;t want to lynch. I questioned him for making a dead set town read on someone with really weak/no reasoning aside from some bad meta case. This is a question on BH not on goodkarma. and should be obvious. IS in fact obvious to others who read it correctly. Also I don't like lurker policy lynches. But there is a difference between policy lynching a lurker and voting for someone who happens to be a lurker for nothing to do with lurking. Which you should know. | ||
cosmicomics
81 Posts
Upon a personal reading of his filter alone, he doesn't seem that bad. I see consistency in the evolution of his reads (everything comes from somewhere). I also see him trying to use meta (on GreYMisT and sandroba) in what I think is a sensible way. The initial suspicion on him before he made his big post made sense, but was cleared up as his "playstyle". GreYMisT's case seems to be "goodkarma can't make a good case he is scum", which isn't sound because "good case" is pretty subjective, and townies can fail to make "good cases" all the time. I'm a slow reader so I might have missed other key points but I don't think he is a good lynch. zarepath Ehh ... I'm leaning newbie town player trying to adapt to the major leagues. While more experienced players may know that posts such as "I'm town" are jokes to be ignored for real content, a newer player may not. His questioning of my initial case on DarthPunk seems like a very difficult one to fake from a scum perspective, as it exploits word definition. I would give him a chance to get adjusted first. Vivax Doesn't quite understand how I play but is putting in what seems to be genuine effort for now, especially with his efforts to try to focus attention on me. If there is anything specific you want to point out I can look at it, because I like to spent my time (at least for D1) reading at a larger scale. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
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