EPTI figured out he might be a specific blue role (or scum counterpart) and is planning something regarding that, but I'm not too sure about that, and even if he was that role I don't know how it'd benefit him not running for mayor either way
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I figured out he might be a specific blue role (or scum counterpart) and is planning something regarding that, but I'm not too sure about that, and even if he was that role I don't know how it'd benefit him not running for mayor either way | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing. Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2013 15:32 gonzaw wrote: Well yeah it may be too early to tell, but I can't figure out that "has to be something he'd do no matter of alignment" he might be doing. I figured out he might be a specific blue role (or scum counterpart) and is planning something regarding that, but I'm not too sure about that, and even if he was that role I don't know how it'd benefit him not running for mayor either way On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote: I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/ I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing. Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. The first one reads like ignore and keep on reading his posts to figure out which one it is to me, which is exactly what I'm saying. The second one is weird. I'd usually say it's a semi scumslip due to the wording but he's not a native speaker so I usually ignore it and on top of that I hadn't a lot of luck with those finds lately :p "I needed to find all my own reasons" sounds really troublesome. But it's a good thing you're not going total jackshit on him I guess. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Other than that i think it is clear you asked tow questions i answered them They are what i call actual questions as opposed to the fluff austin asked me about snow men and wishes Is it unclear why I think i should not be mayor... I thought it was pretty obvious in many ways. On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should [b]not[b] be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote: I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/ I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing. Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. I sheeped Toad in the sense that i also had decided not to vote Vivax. Sheeping usually also means or implies doing so without reasons , it was a backhanded way of noting that I had to provide all my own reason because Toad had not provided any. Sorry i will try to be ever more detailed until you cry. + Show Spoiler [WIFOM or tips to help] + meta on how to perhaps help you read my English better. feel free of course to just go on claiming it does not make sense as, a BS way to rattle my cage. The occasional retarded retard or bad because dumb may help or hurt. Emotive arguments are a mafia scum central platform. keep digging guys. Despite that I have tracked down some of my communication problems worked out find it difficult to structure my English such that it makes sense when bottom/top posted, all my internet life has been spent on forums where we interleaved posted and frowned badly on the wet behind the ears kids that top/bottom posted. Interleaved posting using > >> for nesting is good in that it allows an effective multithreaded conversation to occur addressing many point at once. I understand that is not what happens here and this Quote collapsing technology makes it less useful. I am struggling with the transition. Sorry. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + [B]On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? [b]##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote: I never said I wasn't running for mayor. If you guys want to elect me for my efforts today, I'm not going to stop you. I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today, which is basically sit on the idea of town reads (insanely easy thing for scum to do) and elect based on reputation. Most of town seems content with that idea, so far, actually, which is quite disturbing. So what are you gonna do about the fact that everyone agrees with Toad? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On January 20 2013 18:25 sandroba wrote: I'm gonna make a quick trip today and won't be able to post for aprox 15 hrs. See you guys later. And everyones question's are answered aout sandroba. Nice. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + [B]On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? [b]##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Since you are running for mayor, is there anyone you would like to lynch right now ? How do you plan to promote your campaign ? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Quote with care but frankly i thin the point is dead. No I should not be mayor for the reasons stated in the pregame, and probably since me not being mayor is certainly consistent with the selection criteria proposed by other people. I regard most proposed votes for me to be trolling or death wishes. While significant amount of the cluster fuck may well be mine failing to actually read my pregame posts of the OP wont help On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Quotes like this one may or may not be heavily edited I have atatemtped to preserve for clarity who who said what.Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> Well this has turned into a cluster fuck This may or may not help you will need to open all the quotes as most of my clarification are inline with the existing text I believe I added enough people names to preserve who said which words. Time for radical solution and salvage any thing that can be On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: Gonzaw asked> Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that. Well fuck how much more explicit could I be than this + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2013 10:18 AxleGreaser wrote: On January 17 2013 10:00 yamato77 wrote: Axle for mayor for sure. [Axle replied: in part] No... I mean it No... I have policy speech and everything and rock solid argument why my win con is maximised by me not being mayor... TT Seriously why should I be mayor.... I will already live forever in infamy alone, what sane scum playing to win con would nk me anyway. I am the ideal end game puppet. Noooooooo! To me it obvious repeating that cant help, clearly Gonzaw must be interested in whether or not what I said pregame is still relevant or was i just joking around for Lols. I said, the following and it is important people understand what I regard as actual questions and what is just Fluff. (Oh look more physical analogies except this is one that i believe is common here) Axle: These look like actual questions.. (aka not Fluff to fill up space with apparent activity) Why Vote chez? <<< This question is real because voting Chezinu needs explaining. However any explaining that involves Chezinu is going to naturally acquire some weirdness sorry. his mode of speech is highly allegorical. + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His "I am always honest" claim is one I would bank on being true. In order to understand him and his truths I just have to as he says I do, try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering to try that hard. His I just want to survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him and his playstyle. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up play openly and Go Go Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means ,about how direct would he be, how good is he, these are things I don't know. My votes are a way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then antes up up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. That sounds like good trade. in comparison the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, whereas Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote...What feels right about it.. I am reminded of really old game called Master Of Magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy humans can use is to summon Toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally the human could have won the other ordinary way without Toren. I thus wish to Summon a Chezinu once. On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: [green]How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?[/green] [b]#-#Vote: gonzaw for mayor[[i][/i/b] [spoiler=Axle replies] I am not green answering service but as you were just helpful i might point out ,without prejudice, (a legal term) there is a voting thread. TBMK the only D1 vote is for mayor. Although i strongly advise you and the thread to make your intentions on who ought be lynched known. In that way the mayor cant go off half arsed do anything they like and say well nobody said anything so i just... When i get aorund to specify who iregard as Lynch D1 canduaites i will write ** Lynch Player name in this thread and not the voting one. As thats not an official part of the Op I will tabulate what i count as the votes when I do. if everyone does we can have our own Lynch vote count in this thread with minimal effort. And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak yak is incoherent for yakusa from a different game? or four legged animal? [/spoiler] | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 20 2013 17:47 Clarity_nl wrote: There's no vote to lynch today, only a mayor vote. The mayor lynches someone today. While those are the rules in the OP and the mayor can Lynch anyone.. is it what you regard as the optimal thing for the rest of us townies to do? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 20 2013 18:32 sandroba wrote: What questions are those? About not wanting to run? I don't have a satisfatory answer, I simply decided this pre game and has nothing to do with alignment. As it was decide pregame even though it was never stated pregam we have just your word for that... Do you have any reasoning for making your decision or is it capricious. Do you have a sense in which you in particular person who would be likely to be high on the nk agenda to be more useful in place where yo are exposed to the nk. is it play to win? TBMK it is in towns interests that good players get to be mayor and live long enough to save the rest of our collective bacon. BTW what does, not wanting to run, mean. Are you advising town it would be best if you were not mayor. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On January 20 2013 18:25 Oatsmaster wrote: So what are you gonna do about the fact that everyone agrees with Toad? They do?? Last I checked, there was 4 votes for Chezinu, and 1 for Toad. Either way, I am not interested in forming the town - lets all jerk each other off - vet circle that Toad is trying to lubricate us towards. @yamato77 (1) If you were in pole-position for the "job".. is your Day1 lynch target Toad? On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote: I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today, & (2) Are you satisfied with sandroba response? (i.e. made a decision not to campaign prior to game start) On January 20 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote: Which makes sandroba's "I'm not running for mayor" post a huge fucking red flag in my eyes. Why would any town player not want the chance at being mayor, especially someone with his reputation? It offers protection, something he sorely needs if he is town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
1) I think that is town 2) I think that is able to smack down(figure out) the scum. So basically, standerd stuff. So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated. I dont like Vivax entrance and subsequent disappearance but I mean its a null tell. He has got to know he would be called out like that. Axle, Please try to make your posts coherent to the people here, if we dont understand you, you will get ignored/lynched/vigged/unlikely nk | ||
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Vivax
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:43 prplhz wrote: i am running for mayor i will lynch chezinu that's non negotiable @Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? I know why I'm running for Mayor: I am a potentially valuable townie. I know this by myself, although I might have no reputation to back it up for you. It's the duty of a townie to take these seats, to take them away from scum. But I already wrote this in my candidacy post, so I don't see why I should be redundant. Your question seems rather...rhetorical. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:35 AxleGreaser wrote: You seek my trust and endorsement, i seek your clarity of purpose, commitment to that purpose and lack of room to wriggle out of it. You say: "I am no friend of rigid policies" Cool they suck and get gamed easily as soon as there is any one fixed rule... (via a rock paper scissors paradigm) yet you also say... giving these guys, these dangerous vet guys your blessing on a free pass "I am not going to lynch players D1 of whom I know that they are potentially very valuable townies, simply put: Vets." sounds like a rigid policy After LVIII exactly how much can they now shit up the thread D1 on the back of your promise.... You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? You say: "You will put responsibility into my hands, and by doing so you realize that I will make use of that responsibility as I see fit. " What exactly is it that goes with responsibility? Can you say.... You say: "I won't be an extra weight for bandwagons, by voting me you trust my judgement," Indeed we will be but how will we judge if we were right todo so... or are you claiming insinuating our mind must be irretrievably conformation biased after this? You say: " and by voting me you acknowledge that I might use my power day 1 to cause the lynch I see as best." I certainly do acknowledge that you may well have the wisdom and skill to choose other than town thinks. What wager were you placing on your call being right again? Hello Axle. I noticed your concern about my absence following the candidacy. It was a fair one, but it also looked overemphasized. As you see, I kindly provided you my time zone, and deadline for me is at 2 AM. I stuck around for 30 minutes before going to bed since I should be keeping a healthy rhythm. I was expecting early-game to be more active than that from the start. I think however that this will give me good indications on who is trying to paint me red based on my recent inactivity. These people obviously didn't use their brain and bother determining my time-zone to think of plausible reasons for suspecting me, and finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait, unless they believe that man should always play mafia past 3 AM. As I am writing this, Sandroba just noticed JieXian being one of them. Now to less serious matters, I will go through your points: 1. I didn't treat my veteran no-lynch-policy as a lynch-policy, cause...There, I wrote it. You are right at pointing out that I expressed it as a rigid policy however. Allow me to adapt to that. I am still going to pick a scummy candidate for lynch, but I would be extra careful about picking a veteran and personally dislike it for two reasons: I don't know you as well as you know each other; I already mentioned that the potential of losing a good townie is scary. 2. I don't know if I can consider yours to be pressure play. You are asking a mayor candidate questions. If you see it as pressure play, then maybe cause you see yourself forced to apply it rather than feeling like you're asking legitimate questions. 3 + 4. I mentioned what I mean with responsibility. If the majority of town wants a lynch, but I think another one is better, then I might pick the latter, even at risk of getting lynched. If you elect me you entrust me this power and know I might make use of it. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:14 AxleGreaser wrote: @Vivax A while ago, I made this post...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17574831 In it I said.. You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? At the time i was referring to pressure applied to mayoral candidates to be clear on their agenda. The thread turned up distracted me and I lost that. Please be aware I do read my own filter too. Thsoe uestions are also pertinent to your continued existence. Remeber you yourself want to leave the Lurkers to the Vigis Is it your intention to answer the questions I put to you? If not Why Not? You do remember we are also hunting scum today... yes? Ok this question gets past just mayoral priorities You say "After D1, lurkers will be attacked." Why not D1... You having posted your candidacy are now Lurking? Was that it? Lots of obsolete questions here, except for one: Why not attack lurkers Day1? "Attack" is the wrong word. I simply wouldn't lynch them Day1. There's the chance that they get modkilled, and there's the chance that they just avoid modkills, but that can only happen past Day1. Amirite? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Important matters Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain). Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian. That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read. Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! | ||
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