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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2013 13:05 GMT
#341
@ Axle

If you read the first lines of my candidacy, you should know I'm in the CET time zone. I said I'm south of Rome. That wasn't flavour.

I'll let you know that I disregard your play, and quoting you again and answering to your points will be just another waste of time. You aren't hunting scum, you are tunneling a player and circle-jerking over single lines. You said you played two games, right? Well, if you are town, then start considering that there are 5 scum in this game.

Or are you just trying to make my candidacy look bad? Well, no one seems willing to vote me yet, so why bother?

I am curious though. What is your read on JieXian? I suppose you don't think I'm town?
What do you make of Djo dodging my question? Do you have a read on him?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 20 2013 13:08 GMT
#342
On January 20 2013 13:24 grush57 wrote:
Hello everyone.
I am town.
I am running for mayor, FOR STARSENSES!

##Vote: Grush57


@Grush57.. I have a problem, and your the man to fix it.

STARSENSES... Why are you unleashing your "famed" town breadcrumb so early.
1 Post in, and going for the trademark. This is scummy as fuck to me.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 15 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote:
But I think he is town, at first I thought the green starsenses was different than his usual bread crumb but I went and looked.

LVII
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES.


Hero
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 06:00 grush57 wrote:
Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax and a vet is my bet on scumteam.
STARSENSES.


LVIII
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime

Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far.
Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1.
BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS

Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
[b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b]
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.

ALSO,

STARSENSES


so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 13:11 GMT
#343
On January 20 2013 22:03 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 21:56 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta

Answer my question please



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=17#330

I assume you did your due diligence and read that before commenting; so the synopsis:

You put shit in.. you get shit out.

Would you like to ask a more defined question to me?


@ Mocsta

Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 13:13 GMT
#344
On January 20 2013 22:05 Vivax wrote:
@ Axle

If you read the first lines of my candidacy, you should know I'm in the CET time zone. I said I'm south of Rome. That wasn't flavour.

I'll let you know that I disregard your play, and quoting you again and answering to your points will be just another waste of time. You aren't hunting scum, you are tunneling a player and circle-jerking over single lines. You said you played two games, right? Well, if you are town, then start considering that there are 5 scum in this game.

Or are you just trying to make my candidacy look bad? Well, no one seems willing to vote me yet, so why bother?

I am curious though. What is your read on JieXian? I suppose you don't think I'm town?
What do you make of Djo dodging my question? Do you have a read on him?


@ Vivax

Which question did I dodge ? I think I've answered everything
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 20 2013 13:18 GMT
#345
On January 20 2013 22:11 Djodref wrote:

@ Mocsta

Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.



It doesnt matter if i think yamato is a candidate with a chance to win, I represent one vote out of 22.


I thought yamato campaigned passive-aggressively; just like Toad.
Its an approach I am oft in favour of when attempting to look squeaky-clean whilst attempting to manipulate.

Having said that, its not pertinent to determining alignment. At least not with the information we have currently.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2013 13:28 GMT
#346
I said that Djo dodged my question in my last post, he ninjad me, so we can put that point apart.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2013 21:53 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 20:26 Vivax wrote:
Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text.

mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all.

@ mkfuba07

Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect?

@ Djodref

Hello Djodref.

You have been asking a lot of questions lately.
May I beg for you to answer mine first?

What do you think of JieXian?
Who would you vote for Mayor right now?
Any tentative scumreads?


@ Vivax

I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him.
I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him.
I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote.

I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far.
Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected.

About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time
So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ?

Could you also answer my questions now ?




Thanks for sharing your reads Djo.
I will answer your questions.

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On January 20 2013 20:19 Djodref wrote:
@ Vivax

What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ?
Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ?


1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer?
2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking.
3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that?

I see 4 things:

→ getting gonzaw elected
→ defending Axle
→ drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote.
→ Joking with Toad about something from earlier games.

He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 13:29 GMT
#347
On January 20 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 22:11 Djodref wrote:

@ Mocsta

Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.



It doesnt matter if i think yamato is a candidate with a chance to win, I represent one vote out of 22.


I thought yamato campaigned passive-aggressively; just like Toad.
Its an approach I am oft in favour of when attempting to look squeaky-clean whilst attempting to manipulate.

Having said that, its not pertinent to determining alignment. At least not with the information we have currently.



Fair enough. Just one last question, are you familiar with yamato ? Have you played with him or read some games of him ?
Do you think that you can have a better read on him than on the other players here ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2013 13:31 GMT
#348
This needs answers:
On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote:
I have questions, too:

  • gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
    Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?



@ Mocsta

Can you tell me why asking for a JieXian lynch isn't pressure? Do you want me to direct a question at him before asking for a lynch? Ok fine.

@ JieXian


Hey dude, I think you are scum, Problem?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 20 2013 13:35 GMT
#349
On January 20 2013 22:29 Djodref wrote:
Fair enough. Just one last question, are you familiar with yamato ? Have you played with him or read some games of him ?
Do you think that you can have a better read on him than on the other players here ?

I have played with yamato before.. I suspect others would have had significantly more game time with him than I.

No; my meta is very poor reads; I am sure you have read the commentary associated with my name in the obs qts.
Its nothing I can hide from, hence, why I am being candid about it.

My rebuttle to the above is that...
whilst my reads of tells have been incorrect, I have nonetheless been able to identify the tells. With more experience, the tells will become more accurate.

Thus, I do still think my opinion should be valued, regardless of reputation/non-vet status.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 13:41 GMT
#350
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +
On January 20 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:
I said that Djo dodged my question in my last post, he ninjad me, so we can put that point apart.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2013 21:53 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 20:26 Vivax wrote:
Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text.

mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all.

@ mkfuba07

Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect?

@ Djodref

Hello Djodref.

You have been asking a lot of questions lately.
May I beg for you to answer mine first?

What do you think of JieXian?
Who would you vote for Mayor right now?
Any tentative scumreads?


@ Vivax

I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him.
I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him.
I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote.

I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far.
Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected.

About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time
So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ?

Could you also answer my questions now ?




Thanks for sharing your reads Djo.
I will answer your questions.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2013 20:19 Djodref wrote:
@ Vivax

What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ?
Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ?


1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer?
2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking.
3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that?

I see 4 things:

→ getting gonzaw elected
→ defending Axle
→ drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote.
→ Joking with Toad about something from earlier games.

He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting.


@ Vivax

1. Honestly, I wouldn't be satisfied with a JieXian lynch right now, because it wouldn't give us much information (there is no so much to comment on). I would expect you to campaign around a better lynch candidate, from you opening campaign post. Better is the sense that we could get more info from the lynch.

2. By lurkers, I was thinking at lurkers (your definition) and inactives. I don't think you should focus your campaign around JieXian if he keeps being inactive, that is all. At least you wouldn't get my vote this way

3. Why JieXian among the others ? Austin doesn't look to give a fuck about scumhunting and also the mayoral election.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 20 2013 13:49 GMT
#351
On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:
@ Mocsta

Can you tell me why asking for a JieXian lynch isn't pressure? Do you want me to direct a question at him before asking for a lynch? Ok fine.


Why it isn't pressure? You are attempting to dodge the crux of what I raised.

Why are you getting others to do the dirty work? This is scummy as fuck 12hrs into Day 1, and further compounded with your mayor campaign.
I just came off a game as scum, and my tactic was identical to what you just did. I was constantly asking what others thought, to determine the status quo of who to lynch.

So yes, as you answered for yourself, I want to see direct pressure, and hands getting scum-fucking hunting dirty.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
January 20 2013 13:51 GMT
#352
On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian.

{...}

Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be!


blatant OMGUS?

FOS vivax
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 20 2013 14:03 GMT
#353
Nice First post annul. Why/Why not will you be running for mayor?
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 20 2013 14:39 GMT
#354
On January 20 2013 19:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

Since you are running for mayor, is there anyone you would like to lynch right now ?
How do you plan to promote your campaign ?


No there's no one I'd like to lynch yet. I'll promote my campaign by scumhunting and asking people to vote for me if they agree with reads I'm making.

"But clarity you haven't made any reads!"
Yep, true. Will have time to analyze stuff tonight, so far I've just read the thread to keep up.

What's with all the questions djo, you seem to have this "scatterfire" approach where you ask a person 3-4 questions. It doesn't fit either of your metas
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2013 14:46 GMT
#355
I would vote for you clarity. Just prove to me that you are worthy soon. I think you can.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 20 2013 14:51 GMT
#356
On January 20 2013 14:20 Djodref wrote:
@ austin

How do you feel about this mayoral election ? Why did you avoid the subject so far ?
Would you run a campaign ? Who would you vote for if you had to choose right now and why ?
How do I feel about the mayoral election is...vague. I feel like we should elect a mayor. I'd prefer to elect someone whose judgment and reads I trust, and especially someone who I think needs protecting. There's not really much to "feel" about the election. Nor is there a need to say that, because everyone should be looking for the same qualities in their mayoral vote.

I would...be mayor if I got voted mayor, but I don't see much need to campaign. If people trust me and want to keep me alive, great, and I'd take it.

Overall, I kind of like the idea of electing someone NOT campaigning, or considering it. If someone doesn't campaign and has to get votes naturally, then town votes will gravitate towards the sort of person we really want for mayor. However, I'm not sure about that, because a campaign-focused election means scum has to campaign for mayor to win, be visible, whereas a non-campaign election means scum might have to vote for their scumbuddy to get a scum-mayor and provide reasoning for doing so, perhaps out themselves for later. I don't think that matters much, because (1) any scum running for mayor should be someone they feel can handle the position, and won't get outed just from being visible; and (2) don't think scum are going to go nuts connecting themselves on D1 just to get the mayor position.

There's my ramble, enjoy.

If I had to vote for someone RIGHT NOW, I'd vote toad or myself. Myself because I'm town and trust myself, so it's the only mayor I could be CERTAIN would be town. Toad because I've found some of his comments townie, and based on LV (I think it was LV) I know that he can be a useful townie when he has mason capabilities. OH HEY, IMPORTANT THING. Since masons choose someone each cycle and then can't mason that person again, one quality I'm SPECIFICALLY looking for in a mayor is someone I trust in mason circles. I have seen toad plot within a mason circle, which makes me think he'd be a good mayor as he can set plans in motion for LATER given only a single cycle with masons (unless I'm giving him too much credit).

Mayor gets the lynch today, a vote, the bodyguards, but will also be a key person for the mason roles in this game, both town and mafia. Needs to be able to read the people who mason him, perhaps set plans/traps in motion to figure out which masons were town/mafia, as well as just generally use being the other half of most mason pairs well.
Fe fi fo fum.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 14:52 GMT
#357
On January 20 2013 23:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 19:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity

Since you are running for mayor, is there anyone you would like to lynch right now ?
How do you plan to promote your campaign ?


No there's no one I'd like to lynch yet. I'll promote my campaign by scumhunting and asking people to vote for me if they agree with reads I'm making.

"But clarity you haven't made any reads!"
Yep, true. Will have time to analyze stuff tonight, so far I've just read the thread to keep up.

What's with all the questions djo, you seem to have this "scatterfire" approach where you ask a person 3-4 questions. It doesn't fit either of your metas


I'm trying to figure people out Especially people running for mayor...
But I don't have definite reads so far. I'm also uncomfortable with the global inactivity.

I'm looking forward what you are going to come with.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 14:56 GMT
#358
EBWOP: And for the meta change, I don't know what to tell you. I think each of my games are different for the moment ^^
Also I'm playing this game with the mayor stuff for the first time, and it's my first big game as town
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
January 20 2013 15:06 GMT
#359
austinmcc,

your reason for voting yourself are the same reasons all 22 of us can regurgitate. So the point is moot. By elimination, your best judgement so far is Toad. Noted.

@Austinmcc
I would like your take on Vivax/JieXian i.e.
Do you support the pressure/vote campaign Vivax instigated against JieXian?;
Regardless of whether you support the vote campaign, can the action that Vivax took be attributed to town motive?
&
Please share your current top scum read, so that I can get a feel for your judgement in general.

austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 20 2013 15:23 GMT
#360
On January 21 2013 00:06 Mocsta wrote:
austinmcc,

your reason for voting yourself are the same reasons all 22 of us can regurgitate. So the point is moot. By elimination, your best judgement so far is Toad. Noted.

@Austinmcc
I would like your take on Vivax/JieXian i.e.
Do you support the pressure/vote campaign Vivax instigated against JieXian?;
Regardless of whether you support the vote campaign, can the action that Vivax took be attributed to town motive?
&
Please share your current top scum read, so that I can get a feel for your judgement in general.


Of course my reasons are the same as anyone's. Outside of weird corner cases, the only people with different reasons are scum, and they're not gonna go about pointing themselves out. But it's also part of a full answer to the question, anyone asked who they'd vote for, if they're actually looking at everyone, should be including themselves.


As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) -
On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
Axle you're not being coherent at all >_>

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On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
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On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote:
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.

Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim?


These look like actual questions.

Answering backwards order cos its easier.
Why Vote chez
+ Show Spoiler +

Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.


regarding my pregame posts.

There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..?

its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense
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me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.

Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.

In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.

And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.

Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house.




Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes.

From a Newbie game
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On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote:

Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753
it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep
that unless I find my own evidence.

If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it
whatever weight it is due.

I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting
properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly
feeling something was wrong.

Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in
the other big puddle. The quiet people.

Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.

As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role
you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team.
As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no
evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa
before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.


So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??


An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.

In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different
pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time
to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo
They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.

Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,

Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)


The question is which?






I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.

How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?

##Vote: gonzaw for mayor

And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it.
Look at that post.

Things that I like in that post, although small:
  • he asks how to vote for mayor/lynch, in thread. If he were scum, could have asked in QT (Yes, it's an easy thing for scum to do, but it's still slightly townie)
  • similarly, I find silly paranoia to be townie, like toad being a possible jester (again, can be faked)
  • actually did a small amount of work, went to another game, found a weird axle post
Small thoughts, but that single post is all I have to go on, and that post feels townie to me.

Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of.


Vivax...is just a mishmash of things atm. He's asserting himself, which I'm not entirely used to from vivax of either alignment. The start to his JieXian hunt is something i DO NOT like though:
[B]On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Important matters


Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain).
Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian.
That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read.

Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be!
"Four people have expressed concerns about my activity" --> Some other dude called out 1 of those 4 --> "I like that read" without giving any reason WHY he likes it, or adding any of his own thoughts --> I'd like to lynch that dude

That's NOT the reasoning I want from a mayor. Sandro made a read based on a single post. Which is fine. But Vivax, with no further comment, is okay lynching JieXian off that read and PUSHING for a JieXian lynch off that read. Mild distaste for that interaction.

Some of his other responses are townie, but overall I find his reasons for initially trying to drum up interest in JX (he's now JX) to be meh, and his later explanation:
[B]On January 20 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:
1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer?
2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking.
3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that?

I see 4 things:

→ getting gonzaw elected
→ defending Axle
→ drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote.
→ Joking with Toad about something from earlier games.

He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting.
to be meh. What is JX trying to achieve (there are a bunch of people with crappy single posts, not just JX), and ... JX didn't scumhunt in his first post? JX actively did more with his post (pulling up axle post from newbie game, asking question) than a couple other players have. That's...something. Vivax just doesn't feel like he's fully considering that post, which I dislike. That said, I don't think vivax is superscummy or should be lynched, I often find him scummy when he's town.
Fe fi fo fum.
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