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You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at:
stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now.
debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, poof. I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage.
Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else.
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Ok guys, I'm going to bed !
Just saying that I like austin latest posts. I think my earlier suspicions were unwarranted.
I hope the activity to raise up while I'm sleeping !
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On January 20 2013 22:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:24 grush57 wrote:
Hello everyone.
I am town.
I am running for mayor, FOR STARSENSES!
##Vote: Grush57 @Grush57.. I have a problem, and your the man to fix it. STARSENSES... Why are you unleashing your "famed" town breadcrumb so early. 1 Post in, and going for the trademark. This is scummy as fuck to me. + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote:But I think he is town, at first I thought the green starsenses was different than his usual bread crumb but I went and looked. LVII Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES. Hero Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:00 grush57 wrote:
Adam, Tunkeg, Vivax and a vet is my bet on scumteam.
STARSENSES. LVIII Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far. Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1. BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[ b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b] Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.ALSO, STARSENSES so I'd say he is town. Just annoying not here town.
Because people freaked out last time.
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Axle out of everyone yours was the only post I have trouble reading... I mean I can't skim your post and understand them. I can't get reads off you if you keep typing like that. Please do simple things like spell checking, plainer English and less Ozzie slang.
On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 14:18 gonzaw wrote:
Axle, in pre-game did you want to be mayor or not? I never fully understood that.
Why would you vote Chezinu before any other guys? Is it just his "Imma be serious" claim? These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler +
Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard.
His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see.
Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show.
The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better?
As a feel read approach to why the vote...
I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once.
regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] +
me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed.
Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information.
I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them.
In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...)
Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town.
And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game.
Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753
it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep
that unless I find my own evidence.
If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it
whatever weight it is due.
I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting
properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly
feeling something was wrong.
Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in
the other big puddle. The quiet people.
Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed.
As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role
you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team.
As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no
evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa
before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall.
So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.??
An association case. Arnarnion and Oats.
In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different
pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time
to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo
They will also want to pick off the two blue roles.
Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of,
Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town)
The question is which?
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes?##Vote: gonzaw for mayor
And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all.
>_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player.
Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it.
[B]On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote: This needs answers: Show nested quote +[B]On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote: I have questions, too: - gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.
If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill.
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On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions?
That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read".
I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again?
And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again:
In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor.
If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good.
Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now.
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On January 21 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote:You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at: stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, lumpY I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else.
Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me.
I'm catching up on the thread now.
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On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now.
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
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On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell.
The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose.
Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now.
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JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do.
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On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do.
Don't know what are you trying to acheive there
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Nevermind I missed something in your post.
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Toad, if you're still around. Rough guess as to what % of players in this game you/other vets have played with before? If it's low, does that affect your pool of mayor candidates at all?
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On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there
Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless
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Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it?
You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway?
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On January 21 2013 03:47 austinmcc wrote:
Toad, if you're still around. Rough guess as to what % of players in this game you/other vets have played with before? If it's low, does that affect your pool of mayor candidates at all?
there's a lot of people I haven't played with before and a lot of the vets in this game are ones which haven't played in a while so I'd say it's even worse for them.
No it doesn't affect the pool. And the "pool" isn't fixed. It's a "pool" of people I'd prefer if possible, nothing else.
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EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet.
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On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?
Vivax mind explaining?
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On January 21 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway?
On January 21 2013 03:50 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet.
Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping.
Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination?
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On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining?
didn't even realize he has posted yet :p
Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now.
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@JieXian
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him?
Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor?
@ Clarity
When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good.
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