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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
January 20 2013 10:51 GMT
#321
I have questions, too:

  • Who would vote for gonzaw (JieXian; check) or Chezinu (debears;check)?

  • gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
    Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?

  • Axle, can you consolidate your posts a little? You are much over the thread and still hard to understand.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 11:19 GMT
#322
@ Vivax

What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ?
Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
January 20 2013 11:26 GMT
#323
Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text.

mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all.

@ mkfuba07

Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect?

@ Djodref

Hello Djodref.

You have been asking a lot of questions lately.
May I beg for you to answer mine first?

What do you think of JieXian?
Who would you vote for Mayor right now?
Any tentative scumreads?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 11:28 GMT
#324
On January 20 2013 19:34 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 18:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote:
I never said I wasn't running for mayor. If you guys want to elect me for my efforts today, I'm not going to stop you.

I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today, which is basically sit on the idea of town reads (insanely easy thing for scum to do) and elect based on reputation. Most of town seems content with that idea, so far, actually, which is quite disturbing.


So what are you gonna do about the fact that everyone agrees with Toad?


They do??

Last I checked, there was 4 votes for Chezinu, and 1 for Toad.


Either way, I am not interested in forming the town - lets all jerk each other off - vet circle that Toad is trying to lubricate us towards.


@yamato77

(1) If you were in pole-position for the "job".. is your Day1 lynch target Toad?
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote:
I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today,


&

(2) Are you satisfied with sandroba response? (i.e. made a decision not to campaign prior to game start)
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
Which makes sandroba's "I'm not running for mayor" post a huge fucking red flag in my eyes.

Why would any town player not want the chance at being mayor, especially someone with his reputation? It offers protection, something he sorely needs if he is town.




@ Mocsta

Why are you interested in yamato ?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 20 2013 11:32 GMT
#325
@Toad

I see you and I don't actually disagree. I was mistaken, then.

@Oats

It's pretty obvious that everyone agrees with me, as town is now scum hunting. Mission accomplished.

@Mocsta

I find my suspicions on Toad unwarranted. I may have to look at some Sandroba scum games to get a better read on him. His excuse is convenient but honestly it means nothing.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 20 2013 11:35 GMT
#326
I'll be off at work for the next eleven hours or so. Hopefully when I come back people will have been more active.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
January 20 2013 11:38 GMT
#327
Another question Djo:
Do you think I'm town?

@ Yamato

Do you have scumreads right now? Do you think I'm town?Who would you elect for Mayor?

What do you think of JieXian? We need opinions on him. You said you're scum-hunting. Where are your reads then? Why answer questions and then rush out?
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 20 2013 11:56 GMT
#328
On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Hello, fellow townspeople. I will answer to the questions.

>> Gads that feels so much like buddying. I dont like people who indicate they assume i am town. I trust suspicion.


On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Hello Axle.
I noticed your concern about my absence following the candidacy. It was a fair one, but it also looked overemphasized.
As you see, I kindly provided you my time zone, and deadline for me is at 2 AM. I stuck around for 30 minutes before going to bed since I should be keeping a healthy rhythm.

I am glad you regard it as fair. I am sorry i really don't see your timezone where is it Please.

On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
I was expecting early-game to be more active than that from the start.

So was i which is why I did not jump down you throat son enough for you to see my question. I was waiting to see what happened bit. it struck that the first thing to do was see what proposals were on the table before starting any criitique of any of them.

On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
I think however that this will give me good indications on who is trying to paint me red based on my recent inactivity. These people obviously didn't use their brain and bother determining my time-zone

How would I do that I really dont see your profile mentioning your country which is my usual clue. I did use my brain pregame and tried to get such information as a side effect from organising lynch time.
On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
to think of plausible reasons for suspecting me, and finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait, unless they believe that man should always play mafia past 3 AM. As I am writing this, Sandroba just noticed JieXian being one of them.

I asked you questions about your mayoral candidacy, Later I went further. As you had not replied and i was unaware of yuor timezone and you at no point mentioned that BTW having made 1 post you were out..
I find your reply troubling. I especially find the "you are bad for not working out my time zone so your scummy" argument concerning.

How you rate the matters is to me not important nor emotively persuasive.

Now to less serious matters, I will go through your points:

1. I didn't treat my veteran no-lynch-policy as a lynch-policy, cause...There, I wrote it.
You are right at pointing out that I expressed it as a rigid policy however. Allow me to adapt to that.

because you got called out on it? I do agree that I too would adopt some close approximation of your now revised and adapted strategy. Vets are resource they are also a risk. Lynching prime nk targets seems counter productive. If you are good candidate why are you already needing to adapt stuff when called out on it?

I am still going to pick a scummy candidate for lynch, but I would be extra careful about picking a veteran and personally dislike it for two reasons: I don't know you as well as you know each other; I already mentioned that the potential of losing a good townie is scary.

2. I don't know if I can consider yours to be pressure play. You are asking a mayor candidate questions. If you see it as pressure play, then maybe cause you see yourself forced to apply it rather than feeling like you're asking legitimate questions.


Wait first I am (several quotes up) "finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait," and now I am merely asking a mayoral candidate questions please keep your analysis of my motivations and actions little self consistent and not just majorly expedient


3 + 4. I mentioned what I mean with responsibility. If the majority of town wants a lynch, but I think another one is better, then I might pick the latter, even at risk of getting lynched. If you elect me you entrust me this power and know I might make use of it.

I am certain you may use it, it was the seeming denial of explicit accountability for it that was concerning
You said: "by voting me you trust my judgement, and by voting me you acknowledge that I might use my power day 1 to cause the lynch I see as best." The words trust and acknowledge in advance smelled a lot like desire for blank check.

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2013 14:14 AxleGreaser wrote:
@Vivax

A while ago, I made this post...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17574831

[deletia of the redundant summary of the important mayoral questions answered above]

Ok this question gets past just mayoral priorities
You say "After D1, lurkers will be attacked."
Why not D1... You having posted your candidacy are now Lurking? Was that it?



Lots of obsolete questions here, except for one:
Why not attack lurkers Day1? "Attack" is the wrong word. I simply wouldn't lynch them Day1.
There's the chance that they get modkilled, and there's the chance that they just avoid modkills, but that can only happen past Day1. Amirite?


Not if the Lurkers are already fullfilling their no modkill conditions. So you are only sometimes a bit right. And no seeing as you Agree it was the "wrong word" you cant be entirely right, you are at least mistaken ?
That was question I asked not a **LYNCH recomendatioon, questions come before Lynch votes.
That inflamed rhetoric saying i am looking for an easy mislynch as a defense and explanation
On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
to think of plausible reasons for suspecting me, and finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait, unless they believe that man should always play mafia past 3 AM. As I am writing this, Sandroba just noticed JieXian being one of them.

now thats what i call overreaction, I found easy reasons to ask you questions a few hours into day 1.
Are you feeling nervous about something?

Frankly as i assume the content of your mayoral speech were probably written before your PM those minor language and tone discrepancies don't tell much alignment indicative, it is your subsequent response that will do that.

Important matters


Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain).
Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian.
That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read.

Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be!


Why would you be 'happy' with that I dont see a case at all. I do see you noticed Sandro called JieXian out.
What is the name of that thing yuo guys do when one player follows another lead with no real case.



You asked me to consolidate my posts so...

Are you seriously asking a multiple people for town reads on yourself.
and canvasing for general "We need opinions on him." for your desired bandwagon

On January 20 2013 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Another question Djo:
Do you think I'm town?

@ Yamato

Do you have scumreads right now? Do you think I'm town?Who would you elect for Mayor?

What do you think of JieXian? We need opinions on him. You said you're scum-hunting. Where are your reads then? Why answer questions and then rush out?

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 20 2013 12:21 GMT
#329
I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts...
He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly?
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 20 2013 12:34 GMT
#330
On January 20 2013 20:28 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta

Why are you interested in yamato ?


He has declared himself running for the mayor role; I have a due diligence to inquire further regarding motivations.




Personally, I have concerns Vivax comes in and has sheeped Sandrosa so openly.

I am actually even moreso concerned that Vivax is pushing others to bandwagon him, without pressuring his read.. what type of mayor candidate is this?

I know I am off the training wheels & now in the big boys league.. but even in the newbies we know to ask pressure questions before campaigning for a lynch.


@Vivax
Start living up to the promise.. I expect more from you.
Vivax
I will use my vote aggressively. My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people. No passive play with me, no feeling comfortable in easy bandwagons.

You are scum? I will pursue you!
You are town? I will test you.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 20 2013 12:35 GMT
#331
Damn.. Oats beat me to the same conclusion
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 20 2013 12:36 GMT
#332
On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts...
He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly?


This is an extremely odd defence of JieXian. Why are you making it?

##Vote: austinmcc
Artanis & marv
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 20 2013 12:45 GMT
#333
I made the response cause quick bandwagoning normally are town, and I was responding to who is in favour of lynching JieXian.
Both sides of the case. Wishywashy. but Its early days.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 20 2013 12:45 GMT
#334
On January 20 2013 21:36 FiveTouch wrote:
##Vote: austinmcc

2 posts to your name.1 post to the thread.
&
1 mayor vote with 0 justification.

Let me guess, your voting austinmcc due to this meaningful contribution?
On January 20 2013 12:52 austinmcc wrote:
greetings, wank-fiend!



Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 20 2013 12:47 GMT
#335
EBWOP: People that get bandwagoned quick are normamlly town.
Why did you vote austin FiveTouch? reasons and so forth? Also, whos smurf are you
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 20 2013 12:50 GMT
#336
@Oatsmaster
Since your here.. regards: JieXian..
  • whats your opinion on Vivax campaigning for that lynch without pressuring him (personally)?

  • Whats your take that instead of Vivax pursuing JieXian.. he has asked yamato77 for an opinion?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 12:53 GMT
#337
On January 20 2013 20:26 Vivax wrote:
Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text.

mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all.

@ mkfuba07

Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect?

@ Djodref

Hello Djodref.

You have been asking a lot of questions lately.
May I beg for you to answer mine first?

What do you think of JieXian?
Who would you vote for Mayor right now?
Any tentative scumreads?


@ Vivax

I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him.
I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him.
I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote.

I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far.
Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected.

About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time
So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ?

Could you also answer my questions now ?


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 12:54 GMT
#338
On January 20 2013 21:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts...
He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly?


This is an extremely odd defence of JieXian. Why are you making it?

##Vote: austinmcc


@ 5Touch

You need to explain me this austin vote.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 20 2013 12:56 GMT
#339
On January 20 2013 20:28 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 19:34 Mocsta wrote:
On January 20 2013 18:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote:
I never said I wasn't running for mayor. If you guys want to elect me for my efforts today, I'm not going to stop you.

I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today, which is basically sit on the idea of town reads (insanely easy thing for scum to do) and elect based on reputation. Most of town seems content with that idea, so far, actually, which is quite disturbing.


So what are you gonna do about the fact that everyone agrees with Toad?


They do??

Last I checked, there was 4 votes for Chezinu, and 1 for Toad.


Either way, I am not interested in forming the town - lets all jerk each other off - vet circle that Toad is trying to lubricate us towards.


@yamato77

(1) If you were in pole-position for the "job".. is your Day1 lynch target Toad?
On January 20 2013 13:50 yamato77 wrote:
I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today,


&

(2) Are you satisfied with sandroba response? (i.e. made a decision not to campaign prior to game start)
On January 20 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
Which makes sandroba's "I'm not running for mayor" post a huge fucking red flag in my eyes.

Why would any town player not want the chance at being mayor, especially someone with his reputation? It offers protection, something he sorely needs if he is town.




@ Mocsta

Why are you interested in yamato ?


@ Mocsta

Answer my question please

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 20 2013 13:03 GMT
#340
On January 20 2013 21:56 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta

Answer my question please



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=17#330

I assume you did your due diligence and read that before commenting; so the synopsis:

You put shit in.. you get shit out.

Would you like to ask a more defined question to me?
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