EPTWhy did you vote for me.
Explain, in detail.
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Oatsmaster
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Why did you vote for me. Explain, in detail. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On January 14 2013 13:30 Spaghetticus wrote: Hi guys, glad to be playing as I missed the sign ups. I'm going to go get some food and drink and slog out some catching up. I'm an active player who loves theory and analysis, I believe there are plenty of people in here who can bring you up to date on my meta if need. As you were a 3rd party in the lynch, what strikes you from that lynch? What were the scummy moves? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On January 14 2013 14:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Zarepath, Why did you vote for me. Explain, in detail. EBWOP: Explain how my behaviour at the end of the lynch scum motivated. Im sure you have a lot of content to draw from. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
At this moment in time I am swamped catching up on the thread. I had not preciously payed any attention to it and am completely lost as a result. It is night, so this timing is optimal for me to catch up. I'm taking notes on everyone (as always), and on completion of reading the thread I'll have the working parts of a sound analysis if not a pertinent case. I'll be working around the clock to bring this shit in, until then you only have my apology for my lack of real activity. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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he didnt share TOWN reads (like some individuals) he shared SCUM reads... remember.. its alot harder for scum to present scum reads as they are openly lying. Except he sheeped you hardcore on those reads Mocsta.. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 14 2013 15:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Except he sheeped you hardcore on those reads Mocsta.. Personally I don't read it that way.. but perhaps I am not in the best position to comment .. (conflict of interest) In case you are interested in my comment to that its below + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2013 19:59 zebezt wrote: Good morning all. Seems there is finally some activity going on. Oats seems to be either playing scum or is acting like an idiot. Not easy to decide which it is. I think a scum would not stick his neck out this much so early on though. My top list of people to vote for is: 1: sn0_man 2: bringaniga 3: oats There is still very little activity by some people so of course I don't have all the info I want yet. My explanations: 1: Sn0_man was the first one to attack mocsta in a way that would lead to a bad town atmosphere. After oats took over this case he conveniently hung back though. A nice way to not draw attention to himself. He makes excuses for himself: Being this apologetic, but not actually doing anything: pretty scummy. Another hint: He does not seem interested in the town/scum ratio. Both of his options seem fix the scum/townie ration at 1:4. He would know this ratio if he is scum. As a townie there is no need to know the ratio's anyway. As a scum it is important to know how many blues you have to hunt for though. 2: bringaniga seems to be hiding behind his little act. No idea if he is scum, but he isn't helping. His professor doesn't turn up in google except for someone that lived a few centuries ago, making bringaniga a vampire?! 3: Oats' idiocy has been outlined by mocsta and omni already. Even for scum play it seems pretty bad though. Therefore he is not so high on my list. He has 2 reads shared with me (at that point in time....) Sn0_Man & Oatsmaster. In regards to Sn0_Man / Oatsmaster.. is it a crime he also thought you guys have a very aggressive tone. The problem with Sn0_Man was that when someone commented on him.. he instantly accused them of going into super defensive mode.. that type of instant pressure certianly can make individuals feel uncomfortable. Who wants to be singled out on the first page of the Day1 thread? Seriously? I see no issue with that. If anything, it sounds to me like you guys are accusing him of the same thing he is accusing you.
In regards to Oats, he admits oats isnt high on the list. I think he felt the need to call out logic as flawed. So his 2 (actual reads) are Sno and bringa. Out of those 2.. Sn0 was the target we shared at that point in time. I don't see how this specifies scum behaviour? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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He has no original thoughts other than stratagies to play, which again, is easy to make as scum. I think he is scum because he doesnt actually care to find out who is scum. Didnt ask specific questions, didnt pressure people, didnt even follow up on his original list of questions. | ||
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Mocsta
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I thought everything was based on the the scum name post (Acid attention seemed to focus on this?) On January 14 2013 12:45 Acid~ wrote: but read Zebezt's filter again: he didn't share scum reads, he repeated/paraphrased someone else's read. So far, i dont think that is accurate. But will re-evaluate with your suggestions. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Shz, thoughts on the lynch? What is your top scumread now? | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 14 2013 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote: (1)My point is that the long reads post is really fucking easy to make as scum and it shouldnt give him a town read on its own. Firstly, I agree some aspects of the post are easy to write. But please remember for scum it is harder to give a genuine scum read than town read. I have supported this concept from the start, and agree with it here. Zebezt isnt starting his town reads (at least from what I gathered). He shared his 2 scum reads.. and then asked others to share as well.. Again I don't see what is wrong with this? Lastly, yes, that post should not give a town read. Its about consistency of actions, and whether actions are town motivated. I think he is keeping his eyes open in a rational way. Look he refers to your style as "idiocy" and then adds that i was "confirmation biased" in regards to our discussions. I dont see that as sheeping me.. he questions you and I equally as well? (2)He has no original thoughts other than stratagies to play, which again, is easy to make as scum. That one is tough, I dont think he has been the initial instigator of any scum hunting; so perhaps the original thought is lacking. But then again.. there are plenty of people who have bandwagoned; I think this makes the comment overall: null. My personal opinion on the matter is that, there can be only one instigator but original content doesnt have to stop there. Original content can be taking that information and progressing it further applying a new thought process. Did he do this.. I dont think so.. but like i said before, not many in this game actually have either.. (3)I think he is scum because he doesnt actually care to find out who is scum. Didnt ask specific questions, didnt pressure people, didnt even follow up on his original list of questions. Didnt ask specific questions Thats a matter of interpretation. You are obviously a straight-to-the-point personality, not shy of a confrontation. Not everyone else is inclined that way... Considering he too thought your posts were intimidating ("unwarranted hostility"), it can be assumed with some degree of reliability he will not ask confrontational pressure questions. I think he is trying to extract information the best way he can/knows how to. So to me i lean: null Didnt pressure people Again I think it is a matter of interpretation. I dont think he pressured either; but perhaps in his mind he did. I suggest you take your concerns and ask him directly... @zebezt Do you you think the questions you addressed to Oats/Mocsta, and your two scum reads were pressuring them; do you think you asked them questions to gain specific information? etc Didnt follow up on his original list of questions It does appear that way.. I would give him a bit more time to post, i Dont know where he is from, bu he said goodmorning when my timestamp reads 19:59, so I assume he is sleeping now. This one I think is valid and would definitely follow up on. @zebezt Zebezt, now that Day1 has transpired; please lead the discussions with your top scum read. I suggest you start by identifying an action you find scummy, and asking them why it is NOT scummy | ||
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zebezt
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I havent read all of the posts yet but it seems poor Mand got lynched. No idea how that suddenly happened, because as I went to bed I don't think there was that many people voting for him. Also suddenly some people are questioning my scumminess. Interesting stuff. I'll read the allegations in detail later as I have to go to work now. On January 14 2013 12:45 Acid~ wrote: So far, Sn0_Man hasn't done -anything- at all, really. I don't know about confirmation bias and I have no read on Oastmaster either way, but read Zebezt's filter again: he didn't share scum reads, he repeated/paraphrased someone else's read. Sn0 has done very little indeed, and what he did was scummy. Seems enough for a vote for me. I agree I haven't shared many scumreads so far. Guess why? This was the first day. There is not much to go on with most people being as lurky as they are. I'm not the kind of player who accuses people left and right and sees what happens. My case against sn0 i developed on my own. There was no repeating there. I was one of the first people to speak out against bringaniga (not sure if the first). I didnt add any extra allegations on Oats, I did add my insight though that sticking his neck out like he did, did not seem super scummy to me. I shall be back later, maybe I have time to post during lunch and address other questions. If I were you guys I would be more interested how this sudden vote train on Mand happened. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
He just got too emotional for my taste. So emotion is a scum trait? Also you look scummy to me oats. So I look scummy but vote for someone who I pressured and got a reaction for? Are you leaving yourself an out since you know that Mandalor is town? @all Mandalor: Pushing against laguerta and trotske acoording to his thinking. Then votes for branig, whos post i really didnt like either. Votes for laguerta after his very weird no lynch thingie. He does get emotional while defending himself, so much that with the first read i instantly thought "scum" in my head. After going through his filter though, i'm quite uncertain. I think this post is pretty bad. First a summary of the voting of Mandalor which IMO was the scummiest thing about him, but for Glurio, apparently his defense was scummy? Overall, the post reeks of wishy-washyness and still leaves Glurio open to lynch Mandalor, which he did. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Why is Mandalor's vote bad considering 6 other players voted for Laguerta? On January 14 2013 09:48 Trotske wrote: I think this post is of a really really bad town player who thinks he needs to defend himself with votes on other people and I think that Mandalor is trying to kill a bad townie. So for that and the post Macosta made stating the reasons for lynching him I am going to change my vote. ##Unvote ##Vote Mandalor | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 14 2013 16:35 Oatsmaster wrote: @Troske, Why is Mandalor's vote bad considering 6 other players voted for Laguerta? Oatsmaster.. I aprpeciate the direction you are giving here.. and I assume I am next on your interrogation list. However, we need to post without skewing perspective. When I read that post in your context i was like WTF.. thats a complete scum slip.. great find oats.. so i went to check the quote agian. On January 14 2013 09:48 Trotske wrote: I think this post is of a really really bad town player who thinks he needs to defend himself with votes on other people and I think that Mandalor is trying to kill a bad townie. So for that and the post Macosta made stating the reasons for lynching him I am going to change my vote. ##Unvote ##Vote Mandalor Hes actually calling out laguerta as a bad town player; and thinks "mandalor is trying to kill a bad townie". Im not against you continuing to question Trotske.. please go ahead.. Im just pointing out I think your first question has been interpretted incorrectly. | ||
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Mandalor
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Except for thrawn. That was an unnecessarily cruel death! jkjk gl town | ||
shz
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On January 14 2013 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote: In fact, it was mentioned earlier... not enough of a fight from mafia to keep Laguerta in the game... the fact that the only two votes that aren't on him are on two different people makes me highly doubt they are both mafia either... guys I think we fucked this up ##Unvote And 1,5h later, laguerta is not dead, but Mandalor, the vanilla town. Was this the bus you were waiting for? On January 14 2013 12:13 Mocsta wrote: My vote is sticking on La Guerta. I cant let it go that he lied. it is punishable by lynch. How the fuck does this post convince you (after you said you can't get over the fact, laguerta lied) that Mandalor was scum? This post adds nothing new, that wasn't said before. How can you agree then 1(!) minute before lynch? Also: On January 14 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: Look.. obviously I rode the train and hammered the vote. Ask what you need to ask. Im going to take a walk, and clear my thoughts, and will respond to your questions when I get back. On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: So far, the play from Sn0_man hasnt done anything to suggest zebezt was wrong in naming him as a scum read. If I am confirmation biased with this assessment, let me know? Because I have done my best to take a step back here and consider the information. Stop playing the victim card. If you are confirmation biased, people will tell you. You also obivously fucked this up, and people will tell you. Stop victimizing yourself in an attempt to look innocent. This will not fly. Just because you leave yourself an out with "am I biased?", "I admit I messed up" you are not less suspicious if this backfires. I would love to answer how glurios post actually changed your mind one minute before lynch with nothing new added to the table? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On January 13 2013 12:49 shz wrote: @Oatsmaster: In parts, the same thing applies to you. If you want to play that aggressive, contribute something useful. Your Mocsta-case is dumb and obviously defensive. Chill out or explain why this is a good way to play (I have no clue how to work with that, I know there are very aggressive (town-) players here, but I have no experience with that). What I gathered is, that Mocsta plays this way. This does not mean he is town, but neither does it tell you he is scum. He played the same way as town in my game with him. Your case is dumb and weak, but it's still 24h to our first lynch, so I'll let it slip.If you contiune to play that way, I'll vote for you (or bringa). Shz is playing the newbie town card first, then threatens to vote me for being bad, not scum. This is not a townie way to play... Oats actually stepped up a bit. This is not a town read, but at least he is contributing. Why does he feel the need to emphasis that I am improving but also emphasis that I may be scum? Because he wants to have the option to lynch me. On January 14 2013 11:41 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Lol, wtf. This post is so fucking useless, his top scumread posts a vote and thats all he can say? He never outrightly pushes Sno as a lynch candidate, and as a result, he doesnt become a lynch candidate. In his filter, he doesnt actually scumhunt, he lets other people do the scumhunting for him | ||
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shz
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On January 14 2013 13:11 Oatsmaster wrote: well, although we lynched a townie(not good) I think that it was a productive lynch and WE NEED to look back at it. How was this productive? What did you learn from that? On January 14 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz, thoughts on the lynch? What is your top scumread now? I'm still with laguerta for now. As I learned, you don't make associations before a scum-flip, so let's ignore that for now. But I'm honestly baffled how people complain about that laguerta isn't getting bussed, and then proceed to bus him (as town or scum). On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: Well.. if you wanted to swap.. im not comfortable with zebezt I read his filter, and OK, he is not the most "direct" scum hunter, but we already have Oatsmaster for that role.. I see him as a townie.. and its got nothign to do with him agreeing with some of my concerns. In fact, he actually questioned me regarding a few. Also.. he didnt share TOWN reads (like some individuals) he shared SCUM reads... remember.. its alot harder for scum to present scum reads as they are openly lying... Town or scum can produce a town read and feel true to themselves. Why is it, all of a sudden, okay that someone is the "most direct" scum hunter? And why are you giving him town-cred for not sharing town reads, when you do it in the same post yourself? | ||
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