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shz
Germany2686 Posts
On January 24 2013 03:53 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh and for the record spag told me lynch time was 12 so I was legitimately confused coming into the thread. Why didn't you roleblock all game though? | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
I think it's because they used him to carry out the kills since he was flying under the radar and he can't kill and RB at the same time? | ||
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Stutters695
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Stutters695
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
Probably not the best way to do it but my whole strategy coming in was messed up. I would have breadcrumbed town rb'er but what I actually did was breadcrumb cop expecting zara to be cop. Cop claiming vs trotske would be suicide even without him having breadcrumbs due to him having zero point to claim if he was mafia. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
check out newbie 33 at the end... scum claimed RB.. then the Town RB quoted his Breadcrumb (proving he was RB) thus ousting the lie  (Scum = cDgCorazon) (Town = Chromatically) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I was convinced that shz was mafia for pretty much all of day 1, and I would happily have lynched him. He kept wanting to lynch people for being unhelpful, or anti-town, or annoying, or unproductive - anything but actually scummy! Don't do that shz. You lynch for mafia, not for shit that you find really annoying. You were also more aggressive than I remember you being. Anyway, you stepped it up from day 2 onwards, so please don't take this harshly (my bad read after all! )Omni was reasonably clearly town. He was lucid, contributory, involved. Spag's analysis (although from scum) was essentially correct - Omni has been known to play a passive-aggressive, scummy style as town, and there's no reason to suddenly fix this when rolling mafia. The change was *positive*. That's a general word about meta by the way - using it is all well and fine, but it's not enough to merely note *differences*, but whether the differences noted are mafia or town-orientated. Sn0_Man started off slow and kinda looked like a typical lurky mafia, but again from about Day 2 on really stepped it up and showed himself as town. Trotske started off looking a little lost, but improved throughout the game. I thought he was town early on because of his reaction to bringaniga - "you're driving me crazy" or something similar - i have exactly these thoughts as town about trolls. In addition, his posts had a certain sincerity to them. Mandalor got a bit unlucky that the wagon rolled on to him at the end of day 1. shit happens ^_^ glurio I think was just really short of time, I had him written down as newbie town and stopped thinking about him, so whatever on that one zarepath, I had the same feelings about him as I did the previous game. Kinda nullish scummyish but nullish day 1, but then starts getting into his stride after that, so a pretty solid game all round. Oats was clearly town. Pressuring people, making cases, driving town forward in a real way (unlike Mocsta's mafia way). Unsurprising he got shot. zebeszt was my favourite player this game. Not because he was the best or anything, just my favourite. It was clear right from the start that he was really excited and happy to be playing. I simply enjoyed reading his posts because of this. It also made him my strongest town-read after Oats, because mafia are rarely that happy to have rolled scum ^^ Acid I thought was town on Day 1 simply because he had massive confirmation bias against zebeszt. It looked like a legit townie tunnel. Massive credit that he got off his tunnel and proceeded to make many pieces of excellent analysis. Only thing to note which I said in QT - simple explanations are usually good, unlikely ones bad. If it looks like a scummer hopping off his scumbuddy, that's probably what it is, rather than some elaborate ploy. laguerta - i was much less comfortable he was newbie town at the start. It was icky and could go either way. He started to look worse, and JSL by association, just because so many townies were making themselves look townie. JSL replaced him in a tricky position, so not a lot to say. Mocsta seems to be aware about his style, I like awareness. Personally I stopped reading his posts entirely, so I was pleased when town caught him for making really atrocious cases, and repeatedly wanting to lynch the guy he was associating rather than laguerta. Blates scum! Don't really think he needs my advice on this game, he knows what went down ^^ Spag came into the game and immediately tried to start painting himself as scum. Attacked only lurkers, but never voted laguerta. Never tried to find mafia. Made a terrible vote to try to save Mocsta. Well caught by town. On a general note - This was a really nice game. Town really worked together and analysed, and were willing to change their opinions and listen to reason. This is a super hard environment for mafia. Also - (to zeb especially) - don't assume things when there's no evidence of it! Day 3, is there a Serial Killer? Almost certainly not. All the shots are accounted for. SKs don't generally sit there not doing anything. So don't worry about it! Make your assumptions on things based on the evidence you have, always. | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
glad I made it as favourite player. On the assuming thing though, not sure which asssumptions you are talking about. I wasn't assuming there was an SK. That was JSL's story. | ||
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zebezt
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:27 zebezt wrote: lol glad I made it as favourite player. On the assuming thing though, not sure which asssumptions you are talking about. I wasn't assuming there was an SK. That was JSL's story. my apologies, i didn't follow so closely at the end when everything was wrapped up basically i was probably thinking of your paranoia over shz or some such | ||
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zebezt
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Sn0 really slow start but when you got into it you were good. One thing that really stood out though. Don't use setup speculation to try and confirm people when the setup is unknown. Obviously JSL wasn't town like you thought. It's better used when it 100% confirms (If oats wasnt shot n1 and claimed the glurio kill). Likewise with asking for a mass claim. Since you wouldn't know if it was truthful you would have outed trotske as the cop for no reason and it wouldn't have proved anything else. Not that it really mattered this game, but just as a general thing. Shz your d1 was pretty scummy but you really stepped up as the game went on. General rule of thumb is lists are really scummy, especially in the early days. Ask questions to multiple people like you did but try to cut down on posting reads for everyone. Since so little has been said d1 town cares less about who you think is town compared to who you think is scum. It's ok to be wrong because you can't actually know, but when you just comment in everyone it looks like you're afraid of being wrong and congress off scummy. Acid like marv said you did a good job establishing yourself town and props for being willing to change instead of just tunnel someone all game. Mocsta you got more detailed stuff in the obs qt but it's ok to lose a scumbuddy. By swinging the vote off laguerta you sealed your own fate. Even if you hadn't been lynched d2, as soon as laguerta flipped you would have been the prime suspect and more than likely caught. Not gonna say more since I've still never rolled scum. Mandalor I thought you were establishing your towniness well. Not much you can do when a case settings like that so close to the deadline. Now the main thing I think to point out is the d1 lynch. If you are so unsure that you're switching me re hours to the deadline don't lynch an active person based on a case like that. Laguerta had done absolutely dick to help the town or even post in general. An active scum is more likely to give themselves away as the game rolls on and there was nothing suggesting laguerta was town. Even if you agreed with Mocstas case laguerta was clearly a better lynch because in addition to being incredibly likely scum you would have set a precedent for the other lurkers and hopefully squeezed shit out of them. Very rarely does town benefit from a late switch unless it was an obvious scumslip I'll address some other stuff later. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
For context, the main reason I hammered Mandalor was because Bringaniga was modkilled, and La Guerta looked like being modkilled. I thought I would be started Day2 with essentially 1 scum left. Its tough when you roll scum with 2 smurfs; but yes, if I could go back, I would have bussed La Guerta and taken the town cred and prob rode to victory | ||
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