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On January 14 2013 08:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Zebezt,
You did seem to be stuck on Oats a little too long. You gave that up though which I think is a good sign.
Going to be voting either sn0 or oats I think.
Why when Mocsta stopped pressuring me you said its good, but still want to vote me without even directly interacting with me? Dont you want to pressure your scum reads until you are confident? It doesnt look like you are very confident to me. Show nested quote +
1: Sn0_man was the first one to attack mocsta in a way that would lead to a bad town atmosphere.
Nice sheeping mocsta. So it seems bringaniga is in fact kushm4sta, someone that has played MANY mafia games and therefore not really a newbie anymore. modkill?
This says to me that you are actually either relatively experienced or the scum qt is talking about it. I was totally confused before thrawn posted the host message.
It's true I wasn't very confident in my scum read on you. I specifically said that earlier too. It seems you were under enough pressure at the time, so I didnt feel like I needed to add more.
I don't know what sheeping is... I assume it's not the same as a polymorph?
If you mean following him, I made a case against sn0 when most attention was still on oats.
How does my comment on kush make me experienced? Anyone with half a brain could see that kush's first post was bringaniga's style, and then bringaniga's post right after that basically confirmed they were the same person.
Then it was just a matter of checking Kush's profile to see he had played many games.
Since I disliked his playing style I hoped for a modkill instead of wasting a lynch on him. If I was scum I would have kept my mouth shut and hoped for a lynch.
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On January 14 2013 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 12:49 shz wrote:
@Oatsmaster:
In parts, the same thing applies to you. If you want to play that aggressive, contribute something useful. Your Mocsta-case is dumb and obviously defensive. Chill out or explain why this is a good way to play (I have no clue how to work with that, I know there are very aggressive (town-) players here, but I have no experience with that).
What I gathered is, that Mocsta plays this way. This does not mean he is town, but neither does it tell you he is scum. He played the same way as town in my game with him.
Your case is dumb and weak, but it's still 24h to our first lynch, so I'll let it slip.If you contiune to play that way, I'll vote for you (or bringa). Shz is playing the newbie town card first, then threatens to vote me for being bad, not scum. This is not a townie way to play... Show nested quote +
Oats actually stepped up a bit. This is not a town read, but at least he is contributing.
Why does he feel the need to emphasis that I am improving but also emphasis that I may be scum? Because he wants to have the option to lynch me. This post is so fucking useless, his top scumread posts a vote and thats all he can say? He never outrightly pushes Sno as a lynch candidate, and as a result, he doesnt become a lynch candidate. In his filter, he doesnt actually scumhunt, he lets other people do the scumhunting for him
I threatend you for being detrimental to town cause. Whether you are actually scum or not, this behaviour didn't help at all. You stepped it up, but that doesn't mean you are town for the rest of the game. This means you stopped being bad, and at least tried (or look trying) to be helpful.
This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed.
I stated clearly why I did not push Sno. Because he was an hour away from being modkilled. I will look out for him now, as he also said that we wants to contribute more.
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On January 14 2013 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Shz, the amount of activity near the lynch is good because its harder for scum to coordinate and makes it easier for us to see whether the vote switches were town motivated or scum motivated
So, what did you learn from that?
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On December 21 2012 09:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, this flip makes sense, I was suspicious there was no activity when i woke up.
(1) Fellow townies, I realise its easy to point the finger at Aquanim or even myself; we both developed cases against Spaghetticus. If you want to question either of us, I suggest action be taken by middle of Night 1. I believe if this matter is not closed sooner than later, it will cloud our ability to constructively look at the sequence of events that led to Spaghetticus. (2) We need to consolidate and stick to a battle plan. I think part of this is absorbing the Day 1 posts before sling accusations at persons. We need to start questioning peoples motives critically; and understand the town atmosphere at the time of key events. (3) For me.. Key Events are: (1) Reactions when Chromatically began targetting Corazon (2) Threesr announcing himself in the thread, in the way he did (3) Reactions to Threesr being top of the vote count (4) Interplay with FatChunk (5) Aquanim/Spaghetticus/Myself Please feel free to add/remove events as you see fit.. I wrote this from recollection. (4) I am going to start examining these events with the following goals (a) Who is pushing these events to occur (b) Who is not posting at all (c) Who is joining the bandwagon,but, not adding original thought When I have had time to answer these questions, I will post again in the thread. I hope you all too... take a step back.. and do a similar process.
What is different about this games lynch than last games day 1 lynch? You seemed much more organised and posted a plan of action.
This game, you posted this
On January 14 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
ok im back.
(1)
As I said before.. I realise its easy to blame me for the hammer vote; I even developed a case against Mandalor.
So ask what you need to ask. Point what fingers you need to point.
Just remember Night 1 is 20 hrs (not 24hrs).
I do not want this action to cloud our ability to constructively look at the what happened Day 1.
Self-pitying and not helpful to town in the slightest.
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Since I disliked his playing style I hoped for a modkill
So you dont think that he would be useful? Losing town members is never good, so do you think Acid and Glurio should be modkilled too?
Scum want to reduce the number of townies, town wants all the townies to be useful.
Zebezt sounds like scum.
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On January 14 2013 17:14 shz wrote:
I threatend you for being detrimental to town cause. Whether you are actually scum or not, this behaviour didn't help at all. You stepped it up, but that doesn't mean you are town for the rest of the game. This means you stopped being bad, and at least tried (or look trying) to be helpful.
This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed.
I stated clearly why I did not push Sno. Because he was an hour away from being modkilled. I will look out for him now, as he also said that we wants to contribute more.
Still not explaining why you felt the need to mention both together.
Why is Sno voting Mocsta a 'Lol, wtf' moment? He looked like Sno's top scumread before he disappeared.
You didnt push ANYBODY. Why? Cause you dont actually care about finding scum, but care about looking active.
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On January 14 2013 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since I disliked his playing style I hoped for a modkill
So you dont think that he would be useful? Losing town members is never good, so do you think Acid and Glurio should be modkilled too?
Scum want to reduce the number of townies, town wants all the townies to be useful.
Zebezt sounds like scum.
I did not hoped, I anticipated one. Don't put words in my mouth.
Why waste a vote on a modkilled player, when there is another good target to lynch?
Acid and glurio weren't on their way to a modkill, and I don't have them high on my scum-list atm. As I said, laguerta and Sno. Are mine atm, and as long as this doesn't changes, I'll look at them both.
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On January 14 2013 17:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is Sno voting Mocsta a 'Lol, wtf' moment? He looked like Sno's top scumread before he disappeared.
What the fuck? Are you just that ignorant? I explained it to you, and I gladly will quote myself.
On January 14 2013 17:14 shz wrote:
This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed.
On January 14 2013 17:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Still not explaining why you felt the need to mention both together.
What?
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While you are accusuing me of not answering properly, you don't answer mine questions at all.
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On January 14 2013 17:23 shz wrote:
I did not hoped, I anticipated one. Don't put words in my mouth.[b]
Why waste a vote on a modkilled player, when there is another good target to lynch?
Acid and glurio weren't on their way to a modkill, and I don't have them high on my scum-list atm. As I said, laguerta and Sno. Are mine atm, and as long as this doesn't changes, I'll look at them both. [/b]
You said hoped, not me.
Its not that you should vote Bringaniga, its that you seem to want to see him dead, rather than post better.
What changes?
What did I learn from the lynch?
Not much so far, its been 4 hours and no one has been around.
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On January 14 2013 16:55 shz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First of all: WHAT THE FUCK. On January 14 2013 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
In fact, it was mentioned earlier... not enough of a fight from mafia to keep Laguerta in the game... the fact that the only two votes that aren't on him are on two different people makes me highly doubt they are both mafia either... guys I think we fucked this up
##Unvote And 1,5h later, laguerta is not dead, but Mandalor, the vanilla town. Was this the bus you were waiting for? On January 14 2013 12:13 Mocsta wrote:
My vote is sticking on La Guerta. I cant let it go that he lied. it is punishable by lynch. On January 14 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 12:54 glurio wrote:
It's stupid to lie as town, but the arguments (mafia doesnt defend, stupid newbie play) kinda swayed me. He might just be a bad town player.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mandalor
I'll go with my number one scum ready. He just got too emotional for my taste.
Also you look scummy to me oats. I ACTUALLY agree here! How the fuck does this post convince you (after you said you can't get over the fact, laguerta lied) that Mandalor was scum? This post adds nothing new, that wasn't said before. How can you agree then 1(!) minute before lynch? Also: On January 14 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote:
Look.. obviously I rode the train and hammered the vote.
Ask what you need to ask.
Im going to take a walk, and clear my thoughts, and will respond to your questions when I get back. On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
So far, the play from Sn0_man hasnt done anything to suggest zebezt was wrong in naming him as a scum read.
If I am confirmation biased with this assessment, let me know? Because I have done my best to take a step back here and consider the information. Stop playing the victim card.If you are confirmation biased, people will tell you. You also obivously fucked this up, and people will tell you. Stop victimizing yourself in an attempt to look innocent. This will not fly. Just because you leave yourself an out with "am I biased?", "I admit I messed up" you are not less suspicious if this backfires. I would love to answer how glurios post actually changed your mind one minute before lynch with nothing new added to the table?
Thanks for taking the time to trawl through the Day1 events. I will address your questions as follows.
(1) "Was this the bus you were waiting for"
No. My mindset was firm on La Guerta due to lying.. not being my top scum read.
If memory serves me right you went to bed and werent available during the last 1 hr.
So I appreciate that you have a fresh perspective on this, but you weren't in the moment.
When OmniEulogy unvoted, and then Oatsmaster unvoted they raised raised good points. The lynch for La Guerta was uncontested. Others started to share this opinion and were considering his play as just bad town.
I then became entrenched into words with Acid~, which did distract me I must admit. The timing was terrible.
My justification for voting La Guerta was because he lied; and yes.. it was striking me as odd that there was no opposition. You also dont add, that when I voted for La Guerta, I still said I suspected Mandalor to a high degree and would follow up on him.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote La Guerta but still suspect Manda…] +On January 14 2013 10:41 Mocsta wrote:Guys im back.. farkn hell, being promoted 
Umm.. look.. i had a read through just then and cant believe I missed out on La Guerta lying about the no lynch. I first thought it was just a scared newbie play, but that he answered before he was against it.. clear scared SCUM play. Good work guys ##Unvote: Manlador (I still question aspects of your play.. but we cant let a participant lie openly, so will follow up with you Night 1/Day 2) ##Vote: La Guerta - Lying is not acceptable as a townie or SCUM. This in itself is grounds for lynch.
Acid, I had a think about my post to you. I admit it was venomous and not constructive. You have to realise at the time, noone was consolidating votes, I think at least 5 people had votes on them and when you came in, it just made things even more confusing. Now that I have had a breather (and a pay rise ), I am going to answer your questions in my following post. I welcome all contributions, and certainly do not want to deter yours.
Yeah my vote went in last minute.. but why dont you check my post timestamps.. i literally had just got off a post from Acid; its not like I was sitting there ready to post last minute. [As an aside.. I even refer to my confused state of mind with the whole situation when I addressed Acid in the spoilered post]
There is no doubt [only now].. i was wrong about Mandalor, but I built what I consider to be a good and reasoned case on him. And his reactions were indeed over emotional. He admitted it himself.
As for the victim card.. i dont know what you are talking about, and dont see how your 2 quotes elucidate that?
I am putting myself out there to be questioned.. Who else has done that? I am standing by open and transparent play.. when am I claiming to be the victim? If anything, I am trying to answer your concerns so we can move on and scum hunt. What happened, has happened; did you question my case i built on mandalor? I cant remember you doing so.
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Ok Shz.
Why did you feel the need to mention that I was improving?
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Not sure why this is about bring now, but whatever.
Yes I wanted him dead or stop trolling. Trolling is bad. Bad for town. Bad for this game. He got killed and that is a good thing. Whether he was town or not, that was dumb and annoying and frustrating.
Mabye I misunderstood, but didn't you say that you can learn something from the vote-switching? Why do you need more input for that?
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On January 14 2013 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Mocsta On December 21 2012 09:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, this flip makes sense, I was suspicious there was no activity when i woke up.
(1) Fellow townies, I realise its easy to point the finger at Aquanim or even myself; we both developed cases against Spaghetticus. If you want to question either of us, I suggest action be taken by middle of Night 1. I believe if this matter is not closed sooner than later, it will cloud our ability to constructively look at the sequence of events that led to Spaghetticus. (2) We need to consolidate and stick to a battle plan. I think part of this is absorbing the Day 1 posts before sling accusations at persons. We need to start questioning peoples motives critically; and understand the town atmosphere at the time of key events. (3) For me.. Key Events are: (1) Reactions when Chromatically began targetting Corazon (2) Threesr announcing himself in the thread, in the way he did (3) Reactions to Threesr being top of the vote count (4) Interplay with FatChunk (5) Aquanim/Spaghetticus/Myself Please feel free to add/remove events as you see fit.. I wrote this from recollection. (4) I am going to start examining these events with the following goals (a) Who is pushing these events to occur (b) Who is not posting at all (c) Who is joining the bandwagon,but, not adding original thought When I have had time to answer these questions, I will post again in the thread. I hope you all too... take a step back.. and do a similar process. What is different about this games lynch than last games day 1 lynch? You seemed much more organised and posted a plan of action. This game, you posted this On January 14 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
ok im back.
(1)
As I said before.. I realise its easy to blame me for the hammer vote; I even developed a case against Mandalor.
So ask what you need to ask. Point what fingers you need to point.
Just remember Night 1 is 20 hrs (not 24hrs).
I do not want this action to cloud our ability to constructively look at the what happened Day 1.
Self-pitying and not helpful to town in the slightest.
Umm.. yeah, they are different posts and...?
I expressed key events in that game because it was clear cut what happened for that lynch. Completely different game.
This lynch, there was so much action/confusion/chaos that happened Day 1.. even just 1 to 2 hrs before lynch.. i dont think it is reasonable to have expressed key events... can you summarise all the key events even now with 4 hours to digest?
I think this point you have raised is a moot point.
And I dont see my post as self-pitying.
As I said to Shz.. im putting myself out there.. by my own choice.. Im not asking for pity anywhere.. I asking town to re-group.. How is that self-pitying?
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On January 14 2013 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok Shz.
Why did you feel the need to mention that I was improving?
Because you were under fire for playing, at least in my opinion, bad and you did improve as in stopped playing aggressivly without contributing in at least showing interest in contributing.
How is mentioning your improvement a problem? I don't get that. If I were scum, why should I try to give you more town-cred when you aren't scum?
I don't get it.
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On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
(1) "Was this the bus you were waiting for"
No. My mindset was firm on La Guerta due to lying.. not being my top scum read.
If memory serves me right you went to bed and werent available during the last 1 hr.
So I appreciate that you have a fresh perspective on this, but you weren't in the moment.
When OmniEulogy unvoted, and then Oatsmaster unvoted they raised raised good points. The lynch for La Guerta was uncontested. Others started to share this opinion and were considering his play as just bad town.
And with that, the vote became contested.
On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah my vote went in last minute.. but why dont you check my post timestamps.. i literally had just got off a post from Acid; its not like I was sitting there ready to post last minute. [As an aside.. I even refer to my confused state of mind with the whole situation when I addressed Acid in the spoilered post]
There is no doubt [only now].. i was wrong about Mandalor, but I built what I consider to be a good and reasoned case on him. And his reactions were indeed over emotional. He admitted it himself.
So you were distracted and confused, and because of that the post you quoted before voting for Mandalor convinced you? You made the case beforehand, but still voted for laguerta.
On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
As for the victim card.. i dont know what you are talking about, and dont see how your 2 quotes elucidate that?
I am putting myself out there to be questioned.. Who else has done that? I am standing by open and transparent play.. when am I claiming to be the victim? If anything, I am trying to answer your concerns so we can move on and scum hunt. What happened, has happened; did you question my case i built on mandalor? I cant remember you doing so.
You are constantly leaving outs and "invite" people to critize you. This could be town who wants transparency, this could also be scum who wants to play it safe for everything he does. If you constantly invite people to correct you, you will never be held accountable, because you said it yourself that you think you could be wrong.
If you are the victim, you can't be the perpetrator. If you can't be the perpetrator you are town.
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On January 14 2013 17:09 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
Well.. if you wanted to swap.. im not comfortable with zebezt
I read his filter, and OK, he is not the most "direct" scum hunter, but we already have Oatsmaster for that role.. I see him as a townie.. and its got nothign to do with him agreeing with some of my concerns. In fact, he actually questioned me regarding a few.
Also.. he didnt share TOWN reads (like some individuals) he shared SCUM reads... remember.. its alot harder for scum to present scum reads as they are openly lying... Town or scum can produce a town read and feel true to themselves. Why is it, all of a sudden, okay that someone is the "most direct" scum hunter? And why are you giving him town-cred for not sharing town reads, when you do it in the same post yourself?
Your question is affected by your tunneling of me.
I have been advocating all game.. that early game it is bad play to share town reads... I think we are past early game.
If oatsmaster was scum. do you think he would really be this aggressive? I cant see it;
if you can. I am keep to hear what your case/pressure/reasonings is founded on.
People scum hunt in their own way.. the town environment is for bouncing the ideas off each other. I dont see anything wrong with a direct scum hunter, as long as he doesnt intimidate others from contributing. I think that outcome is far worse.
Have you been in a game Day 3.. where only 1 page of posts is made in 48hrs? I have.. and its painful.
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On January 14 2013 17:44 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
(1) "Was this the bus you were waiting for"
No. My mindset was firm on La Guerta due to lying.. not being my top scum read.
If memory serves me right you went to bed and werent available during the last 1 hr.
So I appreciate that you have a fresh perspective on this, but you weren't in the moment.
When OmniEulogy unvoted, and then Oatsmaster unvoted they raised raised good points. The lynch for La Guerta was uncontested. Others started to share this opinion and were considering his play as just bad town. And with that, the vote became contested. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah my vote went in last minute.. but why dont you check my post timestamps.. i literally had just got off a post from Acid; its not like I was sitting there ready to post last minute. [As an aside.. I even refer to my confused state of mind with the whole situation when I addressed Acid in the spoilered post]
There is no doubt [only now].. i was wrong about Mandalor, but I built what I consider to be a good and reasoned case on him. And his reactions were indeed over emotional. He admitted it himself. So you were distracted and confused, and because of that the post you quoted before voting for Mandalor convinced you? You made the case beforehand, but still voted for laguerta. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:
As for the victim card.. i dont know what you are talking about, and dont see how your 2 quotes elucidate that?
I am putting myself out there to be questioned.. Who else has done that? I am standing by open and transparent play.. when am I claiming to be the victim? If anything, I am trying to answer your concerns so we can move on and scum hunt. What happened, has happened; did you question my case i built on mandalor? I cant remember you doing so. You are constantly leaving outs and "invite" people to critize you. This could be town who wants transparency, this could also be scum who wants to play it safe for everything he does. If you constantly invite people to correct you, you will never be held accountable, because you said it yourself that you think you could be wrong. If you are the victim, you can't be the perpetrator. If you can't be the perpetrator you are town.
I am going home.. will address your points in 3-4hrs.. im not ignoring you.
FYI.. I had conflicting thoughts on Mandalor, I thought that was clear.. with 2-3mins left I posted in haste.. I thought that was clear too.. I think your looking to make associations out of fabrications.
Why dont you try and think from my point of view with the chaos.. and the potential of missing the vote deadline. You type what you can, as fast as you can.
Speak to you later.
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I'm trying to find out why there was any chaos in the first place. And If you thought Mandalor was the better lynch, you could have just voted for him earlier. This last-minute switch was confusing at best.
Anway, I'm eager to hear more.
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Hey Mocsta
I'm glad you picked apart some of the concerns about my play in your posts. You have some valid questions though, I'll try to address them.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2013 16:27 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
(1)My point is that the long reads post is really fucking easy to make as scum and it shouldnt give him a town read on its own. Firstly, I agree some aspects of the post are easy to write. But please remember for scum it is harder to give a genuine scum read than town read. I have supported this concept from the start, and agree with it here. Zebezt isnt starting his town reads (at least from what I gathered). He shared his 2 scum reads.. and then asked others to share as well.. Again I don't see what is wrong with this? Lastly, yes, that post should not give a town read. Its about consistency of actions, and whether actions are town motivated. I think he is keeping his eyes open in a rational way. Look he refers to your style as "idiocy" and then adds that i was "confirmation biased" in regards to our discussions. I dont see that as sheeping me.. he questions you and I equally as well? Show nested quote +(2)He has no original thoughts other than stratagies to play, which again, is easy to make as scum. That one is tough, I dont think he has been the initial instigator of any scum hunting; so perhaps the original thought is lacking. But then again.. there are plenty of people who have bandwagoned; I think this makes the comment overall: null. My personal opinion on the matter is that, there can be only one instigator but original content doesnt have to stop there. Original content can be taking that information and progressing it further applying a new thought process. Did he do this.. I dont think so.. but like i said before, not many in this game actually have either.. Show nested quote +(3)I think he is scum because he doesnt actually care to find out who is scum. Didnt ask specific questions, didnt pressure people, didnt even follow up on his original list of questions. Didnt ask specific questionsThats a matter of interpretation. You are obviously a straight-to-the-point personality, not shy of a confrontation. Not everyone else is inclined that way... Considering he too thought your posts were intimidating ("unwarranted hostility"), it can be assumed with some degree of reliability he will not ask confrontational pressure questions. I think he is trying to extract information the best way he can/knows how to. So to me i lean: null Didnt pressure peopleAgain I think it is a matter of interpretation. I dont think he pressured either; but perhaps in his mind he did. I suggest you take your concerns and ask him directly...
@zebezt Do you you think the questions you addressed to Oats/Mocsta, and your two scum reads were pressuring them; do you think you asked them questions to gain specific information? etc
Didnt follow up on his original list of questions
It does appear that way..
I would give him a bit more time to post, i Dont know where he is from, bu he said goodmorning when my timestamp reads 19:59, so I assume he is sleeping now.
This one I think is valid and would definitely follow up on.
@zebezt
Zebezt, now that Day1 has transpired; please lead the discussions with your top scum read. I suggest you start by identifying an action you find scummy, and asking them why it is NOT scummy
1: My question to you was not meant pressuring I suppose. I just wanted to get more information about your playstyle.
My question to Oats was meant as pressuring. I didn't find his behaviour as scummy as Sn0's, but his sudden vote switch as soon as the pressure was off him seemed suspect to me. I'm not even sure if that question was answered yet. My question to sn0 was meant to get him to react to my scumread and get him out of hiding.
I'm not really sure how I could have added extra pressure on sn0. He wasn't reacting as it was. This seemed to work pretty well as everyone forgot about him and instead focussed on the people who did post.
I did try to pressure bringa to change his playstyle. I didn't really have a scumread on him, just thought his playstyle was contributing.
2: My scumread
I still find sn0 highly suspicious.
Sn0_man: why do you think it is acceptable to vote without stating a reason?
Sn0_man[/b]: How is ignoring a scumread on yourself not scummy?
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