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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:35 iamperfection wrote: Also I explained my activity you should go check that post again I don't give a fuck about your excuses. The fact that you pop up in the thread right now could be interpreted as active lurking but I'll give you a pass this time. I would like you to post something constructive for a change. How about you find us some mafia player ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:34 iamperfection wrote: I was healed because someone is paying attention and thats ill I will say about that @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote: @risk.nuke You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote: @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? You'll eat your hat? How did you go from not mentioning iamp to suddenly being so sure he's scum? Sure your case has merit but it's not a knockout by any standard. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: you think acro faked his copclaim as well? No, I trust Acro because Acro is looking like a fucking townie. I'm inclined to mistrust TheChronicler because the obvious lack of scum hunting in his filter. Of course, I'm dropping my case against TheChronicler for the moment because the timing of his claim is right, but that's clearly not enough for me to include him in a party. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv are you not running for leader? Ugh, there were like almost 300 posts to catch up when I logged on. Who's running with syllo and Dino in their team? I'll vote for that person because honestly, that's the team that's going to succeed imo. So you're saying you don't want Robo in the group during 2300ad? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote: You'll eat your hat? How did you go from not mentioning iamp to suddenly being so sure he's scum? Sure your case has merit but it's not a knockout by any standard. @Clarity So, I was making this post about the damage that we are taking every cycle. Just to have some feedback on it... The fact that iamp was the only one to be healed among the four of us stood out as really weird for me. I was really wondering why anyone would have healed iamp. Like, I'm town, yeah, but if I was a healer, I would have healed Dieno first because of the damage he took during the first cycle, then Marv, then Oats even if it would have been some prevention (I don't know how it works). But iamp would not have been on my list, like not at all... So, I decided to check his filter to discover a lot of nothing. I didn't like at all the fact that he re-appeared during day 2 after the fact that people where doubting his alignment in the thread. I've also reconsidered Acro first comments against him because I trust Acro more now and they had some truth. That's how I found out that iamp might be scum. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos. We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose. What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos. It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle. So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission. What I can think of is Hidden sucess modifers. HP. Town:Mafia ratio. Mafia abillitys. I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM. And this is why I don't want to send anyone with low hp. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote: you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote: Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. How could you have a town read on TheChronicler but not on Acro ? Toad was already nailed as scum at the end of D2. And Acro found him by the way... | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 26 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote: @iamp I would eat my hat is this "someone" is town. Paying attention ? Like in "I should heal iamp because he is obviously the biggest asset of the town" ? Trying to cattle-prod people of the apathy that iamp has shown won't get you very far... Am I missing something, or have we not finalized a team party? I would have thought that would be our top priority. People I'm okay with seeing in a party (in no particular order): Hapa - definitely someone others here might consider an interesting choice, but he has shown a genuine interest in the thread and I am in general agreement with his reads. I have not played with him when he was scum, so not based off of meta... Oats - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Dieno - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Keir - prior party, all but "confirmed" town syllo - prior party, all but "confirmed" town Acro. - verifiable role claim, super-active and geniunely interested in scum hunting TheChronicler - Don't like his posting, and yet claim is easily verifiable. I doubt scum would have done this. Marv - I can understand the merits of taking him along with three strong town reads as a means of "confirming he's town." I've never played with him before (unless you count rockband, which I replaced out of quite early). As such, I am working off his reputation of being a strong scum player when asking we be cautious about bringing him unless we can establish him as the weak link in our party if it fails. So if I were to recommend a team it would be: Oats / Dieno / (TheChronicler or Hapa) / Marv Keir and Acro are not good picks due to their self-admitted low success modifiers. As for Clarity: Clarity made a "case" on sandroba long after his lynch was gaining traction. If this is the reason people have determined he is a good party candidate, I would ask they reconsider. It's pretty clear scum bussed Sandroba, so I don't give him much town cred for doing this... Oats and Dieno have gained the most traction as party leader. Perhaps we could spend a little time coming to some consensus as to which of them should lead before we argue about scum suspects we can't lynch today? | ||
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote: Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:00 risk.nuke wrote: I had a townread on chronicle before that, and as I said it don't see a reason for mafia to bus toad. Look you need to start understanding the setup. We've had two cycles and nobody died. This is not the average mafia game where scum race to kill townies at night and town lynch mafia at day. We obviously have to much hp for that. Our wincondition is killing Lavos. We have too much hp for it to be just a straight transfer from the regular health system. So what is HP for? We know it's important because mafia have ability's to lower hp and we seem to have abillitys to restore it. I'm not saying people can't be killed with it but I don't think it's its main purpose. What do we know about the setup except that we need to kill lavos. It revoles around completing missions. This is addition to mafias low kp leads me to believe mafia is likely working more like saboteurs trying to fail missions to weaken the town for the upcoming battle. So what can potentially have an effect on the success of a mission. What I can think of is Hidden sucess modifers. HP. Town:Mafia ratio. Mafia abillitys. I think that in order to complete a mission the chosen group need to have a certain score and that score is determined by HP and HSM. And this is why I don't want to send anyone with low hp. @risk It's an interesting point. So it would be better to send Oats and Syllo according to you. Keir has himself admitted that he has a low success modifier. Another problem is that you are not going to convince anyone with speculation. I personally like this kind of discussion but I feel like the majority doesn't. On a side note, I personally think that mafia team has miserably failed in the attribution of their faction KP, resulting in no kills. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote: Djodref, it's likely with the way HP works that mafia would be able to go no kills near the start, and multiple kills as the game goes on. I did have a townish read on Acro until his not wanting to be in the party shenannies. @marv When I look as my table with the different damage claims for today, I could say that the mafia went for a Dieno kill. Could you help me to assess iamp alignment ? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard. I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh! On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum? | ||
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