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On November 18 2012 01:40 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote:
##unvote
##vote zbo
1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game
2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads
3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike.
4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me
5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first
Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4.
On thrawn, have you noticed that thrawn was there at lynch time and didn't vote for you when hapa was in danger? I don't see scum just letting their godfather go down that easily on a last minute voteswing.
1) ill look into this when I gey my internet back
2) what does a cop have anything to do with this? Thisb is about your meta, your play, amd yhe doubt that the miller claim brings with both of those. We can afford to look at scummy people who will be liabilities at lylo right now. Fo we want to end the game? Yeah. Is it an easy win with how some have played this game? No
3) lol don't tell me to shut up. You know I'm right on this. Now you're getting offensive for no reason
4) cool. When you put suspicion on a person who is suspicious to someone you are suspicious of, it doesnt make sense
5) its an association. I havent gotten around to finishing associations cuz of the internet
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SnB, I have his case on me stamped as meta just like 100% of the other ones that are dumb. Can you be clear what do you exactly find good about it? If it's this:
Z-boson's attitude towards the lynch on Day1:
When he is townie, he is very indecisive about who he wants to lynch. Just look at his filter in GSL3 or Liquid city. Liquid City his vote jumped around more times than I can count and with great uncertainty, and even his final vote he still seemed clueless. And in GSL3 he agonised for days on everyone before finally voting for someone.
Here there is no... communication with town, trying to figure things out properly. It's BAM, BlazingHand is scum. He pursues BlazingHand - and make no mistake, he can pursue very well as scum, check the filter I gave you. Then when BH is off the table, he comes back today with BAM, Hopeless is scum.
here's the biggie that z-boson doesn't respond to at all. And this is a significant point that can't be explained by "I decided to change my meta." It's not about "how z-boson posts," it's about "the attitude that z-boson takes towards the game itself." This is also Marv's most persuasive point, IMO.
That's another meta point I've dealt with earlier:
On November 15 2012 09:49 Z-BosoN wrote:@clarityShow nested quote +On November 15 2012 09:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
Z-BosoN you addressed the meta stuff, but how do you feel about your play so far this game, and marv's analysis of it? His analysis on my meta is pretty straightforward, and true, but he's wrong on that count for my reasons above. On the DP/hopeless afair, well... not proud of it, but I'd say that's a fairly small part of his case once you take away the meta. I'll try to reassess my read on DP in a sec, and try before deadline. @marvShow nested quote +On November 15 2012 09:44 marvellosity wrote:
Z-Boson, how come you're so certain about things this game?
Because of Liquid City. I had the right reads, but no one gave a shit because I felt the way I was wording made me feel too insecure and not taken seriously. So right now I'm avoiding words like "I think, it might, probably...". Still saying them sometimes, but avoiding them.
That's also part of me trying to look more certain about shit so people actually pay attention to my reads. Again, meta meta meta. You guys aren't reading...
Also, debears, you don't get to vote on me with that shit. No one that actually gives a shit about town should vote me without responding to this:
On November 16 2012 13:47 Z-BosoN wrote:DP, I know it's your wet dream to catch me as scum. But look at what you are suggesting. 1. I risked claiming miller and thus a potential counter-claim. 2. I pursued BH to the point he had to claim because I made good arguments, because scum are very insistent like that. 3. On my dying post, I told everyone to lynch hapahauli in day 2, you know, because I'm a scum who wants to help town. Then, in the night, I said crossfire, my other teammate, was the best lynch for today. 4. Hapahauli tried very very hard to defend his scum mate, even wanting to open up skype chat logs. Because that's what scum do right? Openly try to save their buddies. 5. I expected that town would sway from lynching me, someone with a marv case on him, to hapahauli, who hadn't been under any real threat at all in the game, with less than 10 min to go when I made this post: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 10:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
LYNCH HAPAHAULI.
LYNCH BLAZINGHAND. when he is alive day 3.
marv, hope you learn you are not the fucking god of mafia, and see that meta reads are only worth it if it isn't fucking obvious stylistic proven logical and pre-claimed reasons. Just so I'd come out looking good. All this makes perfect sense because... of meta. That's it. Not a single thing all game, just... meta. And even in that regard, I've extensively covered that. Hapa felt like he needed to help, because it's something that I'd discussed with him and he would look bad if he didn't say anything about it. I even mentioned this before marv's case on me (I got sniped, but time difference should confirm I couldn't have possibly written all that in such little time.) so that means I'm self-aware of this meta thing, and decided to play like that anyway. Sniped post: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:01 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town. "wahh i'm pretty fed up with having to play forum mafia whenever i play forum mafia" For what it's worth this is like the scummiest thing ZB has done this game It's cause you don't know the context. My main problem as town is that people think I'm scum every. single. time. Every past game I've played on, I've been receiving shit based on misinterpretations, things I've said that were confusing, and mismatched other things I have said. I got VERY frustrated because I was playing mafia and I spent like 70% trying to not get lynched instead of scumhunting. So I've decided to change my playing style a bit, so the general populace stops twisting my unclear words. Hapa pretty much nailed it, as it was a topic I've discussed with him quite a lot: Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Uhhh Z-Boson huh? That's interesting. He kinda peaced out of the thread after dropping his Hopeless case.
Off the top of my head he is usually a bit more active in his town games and was a tad lurky in his scum game (can't draw conclusions from that though). I generally think his posts have been fewer in number but higher in quality. I'm inclined to think it's a stylistic change and not scummy given some of my previous conversations with him. And now I've been trying hard to read more, post less, but with more clarity and quality. And that apparently led marv to have a meta read on me, for "tone", despite me trying pretty hard to get shit right. That pretty much explains my QQ - no matter how hard I try, I'm found as scum every single fucking bitchass time, and this time even marv found it so. /rant Anyways, bring it on marv you slut. Reread please: + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2012 09:37 Z-BosoN wrote:Yea, so it's pretty much what I expected and actually said in my sniped post. Responses in red. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:Z-BosonMetarelated stuff. Let's a gogo. First of all, here's a sample post from him playing scum in Newbie XXIV. You'll have to excuse the length, but the point is it's length and effort. (quote) Also, here is Z-Boson's filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359489&user=28495I was try-hard at the time, that was my first newbie game. That was a pretty tough way to play, so I abandoned it in favor of a more posty style (pretty much mimicking you).
Notice there are a large number of big posts. Big posts with certain conclusions . All the time. Much as here. What's missing in Z-Boson's play this game? On October 21 2012 22:46 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 21 2012 13:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Also his defense each time is oh you must be scum and trying to trick me. Nothing townie about it. And your 'meta' read is bleh. Haha, you don't say, eh DP? On October 22 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 22 2012 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ZB. Postgame I would like to go through how you make such accurate reads on me all the time. It get's frustrating as scum. (and also hilarious) Oh-oh. This obviously-I'm-town post comes mostly from scum DP. Don't get so confident, I'm not dead sure on you yet! On October 22 2012 01:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Sniped by austin. There we are, finally. Now waiting for the two days of unforgiving tunneling from him  Hello Keirathi! How goes your scum life? Any thoughts you would like to trouble us with? On October 22 2012 03:53 Z-BosoN wrote:k k Well, you really think he is scum and should insta-die before he's even had a chance to defend himself? I'm uncomfortable sending him to his grave like this... I'd like to know if you are scum. Think about it. It's the pro-town thing to do. If you are scum, it's pro-town because town will lynch a scum. If you are town, then it's pro-town that we don't have to kill you. Tell us On September 30 2012 13:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Oh god.
Is there anyways I can mega-vote him? On September 30 2012 13:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
I think someone has some real issues.
Does liquid city have a psych ward? On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Omfg austin really loves me.
I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more.
You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective.
Right now you just seem desperate.
I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. On October 22 2012 05:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
Austin, holy shit.
For the first time ever, I've successfully agreed with every single thing in your post, every single thing.
/applauds
Due to recent events though, Hapa is coming off pretty suspicious to me. This is a selection of quotes from GSL3 and Liquid City. I paste them all here to demonstrate Z-Boson's ability, and indeed propensity, to throw in light-hearted comments. He's not all serious all the time. Except that that style of play is exactly why people threw shit at me all the time. Every single godamn game someone would take something I said, compare it with something else I've said that is inconsistent, and use it to justify me being scum. These light-hearted posts were the reason I spent more time defending myself than actually scumhuntingLook at his filter here. Can you find that? At all? No, not really. It's completely absent. Arguably, this is it: On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  Right at the beginning. I find his attitude towards DP... not townie. There's a lack of interaction from Z-Bo towards DarthPunk that I wouldn't expect from townie Z-Bo. It's a jest, as I'm usually correct about DP's alignment.On November 13 2012 11:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's the second time you've voted for him without saying why.
This won't do. It goes from the above, to: On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
He finds him a 'good lynch', but he makes it clear that he's not using the referring to self as mislynch thing as scum. Is it that he's bitchy? Is that a scumtell? Who knows. He's "interested" to see how he goes in Day 2 though. The wording is just... ick. I've done this "Why not xxx" in an attempt to organize town and consolidate on a lynch (kind of the opposite of what you are doing). That kind of wording problem is what I have to pay more attention to. To be honest, I just wanted to say that DP is scummy, but I'm not gonna use my " DP scum-o-meter" yet, as I don't yet have a solid read on him (due to the low amount of posts he has). I didn't spend much time on him because I was more focused on Hopeless.On November 15 2012 08:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Had some internet problems.. Luckily it was on control C. In reply to marvs other post:
On November 15 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 06:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
i hate this. what's your read on him and why? He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment. I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all. I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said? I'm finding you kinda scummy all of a sudden actually. "He can definitely be scum" is not a read, by the way. Anyone can definitely be scum. Isn't it fucking obvious that I mean that to me he has a good chance of being scum, especially given what I've written on him? 10x better than your "I'm finding you kinda scummy" which adds shit to the thread. If Hopeless is a 10, DP is a 7, go with that.Try answering the question now? I phrased it very clearly and I find it important enough that I insist.
Anyways, Hopeless´s meta explanation makes sense, and that was my main issue with him. Right now I´d rather lynch DarthPunk. Gonna let marv finish to see if he will/will not change my mind. ##Unvote There's weird things going on in this post. "If hopeless is a 10" to "his meta explanation makes sense". He defended himself using context, and I agreed with it, these two games are on extremely differnet circumstances. Hopeless then posted his reads which were pretty reasonable and I decided my meta case was not so strong.Generally, given Z-Bo's intimate familiarity with DP's play and his meta, there seems to be no discernable effort to make any read on him on that basis. Z-Boson is calling DarthPunk scum right now, but there's no supporting evidence of games previously played. I don't buy it. I didn't choose yet to make an effort on him, because I didn't want to lynch him yet, because he has way too few posts for me to do that. I was gonna attempt to make a case on him right now, due to my change of heart on hopeless, and will do so if I see that I'll be all right (logic here is. If me town dies, then 100% town will come out losing. If me town lives, the % chance of town coming ou losing is the % chance I'm wrong)Also I bolded that other line where he says I should answer just because I find the wording completely unnatural. "I find it important enough that I insist". I find it important that you questioned my assessment on DP, and not debears, your top scum read. That led me to believe you agreed with my assessment on debears, and was going to be important for me to completely decided whether or not I would stick to my not wanting to lynch debears agenda. Dunno what you understood from that.
None of this play looks like Z-Boson's town play. When he is townie, he is very indecisive about who he wants to lynch. Just look at his filter in GSL3 or Liquid city. Liquid City his vote jumped around more times than I can count and with great uncertainty, and even his final vote he still seemed clueless. And in GSL3 he agonised for days on everyone before finally voting for someone. Here there is no... communication with town, trying to figure things out properly. It's BAM, BlazingHand is scum. He pursues BlazingHand - and make no mistake, he can pursue very well as scum, check the filter I gave you. Then when BH is off the table, he comes back today with BAM, Hopeless is scum. As quoted there's the absence of Z-bo interacting in a lighthearted manner with town that I am familiar with. His filter is short, with long posts, rather than longer, with lots of short posts figuring things out. ##Vote: Z-Boson So yea, basically it sums up to the change in my style I've talked about. You're gonna have to accept that the way I was playing before was a detriment to my gameplay, and made me frustrated, because too much of my time was wasted defending myself (which takes A LOT more time than scumhunting, for me). I tried doing that in GSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=4#73but failed miserably. What happened? Hapa picked up on some inconsistent stuff I said lightheartedly and BAM, huge clusterfuck of back-and-forths based on something that could easily have been avoided should I have been less posty. Also, a bit of WIFOM. I remember my scum game, and I looked at the feedback from the obs qt. This part of my meta I'm completely aware of, so why would I not choose to replicate is as scum? Basically, you are gonna have to decide whether: A) I, ask scum, didn't realize that me as townie posts a lot more and a lot more lightheartedly and posted in my natural scummy way here. B) I, as town, actually did attempt execute the change of style I extensively talked to hapa about, in a way that makes sense (as you yourself have seen from my past town games), and in a way that's actually better, and more like it's said in XXX analysis (which I reread at times of frustration). So, please analyze the actual content and the actual effort Im putting in this game (note my pushing of BH, it shows extensive signs of reading and carefulness in my wording and logic... such in a way that you agreed with it) instead of this "he's posting less!!!" argument. Also, I have much less time to play now, exam weeks coming up ahead, and am trying to make the most of it. Yep. Z-BosoN = townie. It's there, it makes sense, and you should pause and think about how silly would it be for me to be scum. Like, I'm a mega-bussing fakeclaiming scum who was extensively defended by his scumbuddy (hapa, at that.), and then was bussed by him as soon as I said he was scum? 0 sense. Turn conspiracy theory goggles off for one second and you'll see reason, I guarantee it.
and this:
On November 18 2012 00:57 Z-BosoN wrote:Oh, found something. This should pretty much kill DP's genious WIFOM bomb theory: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=68#1350Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, if anyone is thinking of voting me, it is becasue you are blindly sheeping marv. Fucking read my defense, FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID REGARDING MY META. FUCKING READ WHAT HAPA SAID. It's a case based SOLELY ON META
DP is acting VERY differently then when he is scum gettingl ynched. I want to unvote him and vote for hopeless.
Also, if I for some godly reason to get lynched. Here are my reads:
Hapa: scum scum scum. Gonna go after him day 2 should I live.
BH probably scum. I can't fathom his claim AT ALL. Kill him should he be alive in like, day 3.
Rest of everybody I'm not sure. Marv is prob town, an arrogant fucking one who can't see the reasonable explanation I've given, but he's pretty much town.
This post here took me around 2-3 minutes to make (that's the time I sent my previous one). I made it out of anger, and couldn't have given it much thought given the circumstance. (1)Not much thought. The vote count which showed (6-6 on DP/me) came at that time, @10:47 and I didn't see it. Here, I wasn't expecting to get lynched. I say "if by some ungodly reason I get lynched...". That means that it looked like I had the possibility of getting lynched, but I made that post without feeling like it was a confirmed fact. (2)Wasn't expecting to necessarily get lynchedSo, with (1) and (2) , I made a post that said this: I wasn't expecting to get lynched, necessarily, when making this post. I had little time to mkae this post. This means that I was already thinking hapa was scum. This also means that I would have to be committing myself to spend day 2 bussing hapa. This is even more nonsense then me giving out two scum buddies needlessly. It's clear from my post and from the context that I wasn't 100% dead yet (as I could have assumed in the time I supposedly "WIFOMED" when there were 8 votes on me.) and that would mean me committing myself to bussing hapa during the entirety of day two. A LOT has to happen for me to be scum here. The simplest explanation is that I'm town, my meta was a self-made and self-aware change - to which I have proof of (which is getting heavily heavily ignored by our brick-headed friends) - and actually thought hapa was scum (even showed signs of that earlier).
People just got lazy and are not reading at all. Game's not over yet ffs.
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1) miller claim is a null tell
2) bh claimed because he's an idiot or scum. You're trying to take credit for it? Lol
3) wifomwfiomwifom
4) wifomwifomwifom
5) exactly. If you were town trying to survive, why wouldnt you vote for someone you realistically would believe would be lynched? If you were scum, you couldve thougjt it would help clear hapa if yoi got lynched with your vote on him
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On November 18 2012 01:55 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 01:40 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote:
##unvote
##vote zbo
1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game
2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads
3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike.
4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me
5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first
Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4. On thrawn, have you noticed that thrawn was there at lynch time and didn't vote for you when hapa was in danger? I don't see scum just letting their godfather go down that easily on a last minute voteswing. 1) ill look into this when I gey my internet back 2) what does a cop have anything to do with this? Thisb is about your meta, your play, amd yhe doubt that the miller claim brings with both of those. We can afford to look at scummy people who will be liabilities at lylo right now. Fo we want to end the game? Yeah. Is it an easy win with how some have played this game? No 3) lol don't tell me to shut up. You know I'm right on this. Now you're getting offensive for no reason 4) cool. When you put suspicion on a person who is suspicious to someone you are suspicious of, it doesnt make sense 5) its an association. I havent gotten around to finishing associations cuz of the internet
2) You are calling me a liability because the cop can't check me. Confirm this if that is what you meant. If it is, then that argument is stupid, as there will necessarily be unchecked people should we get to lylo, i.e liabilities. That means that on the day before lylo, you should lynch whoever doesn't have a cop check. That's all just too dumb. You lynch people because they have scum motivation and scum mentality, not because they are "liabilities".
3) Well what do you expect? You just shat the entirety of my case saying it's dumb because of ONE aspect of what I said. You didn't deal with the rest of it. You didn't comment SHIT. That's just bad play. Also, He has 48 hours to play and contribute. I'm also interested in his reactions. You are not right here, no need for snark comments. Sportsmanship and courtesy DURING the game is not what mafia is about. If my case on thrawn was 100% irrefutable, you would definitely kill djodref, logically. Courtesy isn't a part of this. No one becomes townier and unlynchable just because they come in as a replacement.
4) English? You are using old and bad arguments. That's about it.
5) yea, so you just casually decided to ad this here.
People are getting confident and getting lazy. REAAAAAD!!!!!
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Cool. 6/6 and you feel like your weren't getting lynched? Then yoi make a post saying "Lynch this player and this player when he survives to day 2" althougb you didn't think you were getting lynched?
Oh and how would you know at that point that bh is living til day 3??????
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Debears, stop posting until you are able to read everything and comment. It's pissing me off how lazy, unhelpful, and useless your points are being. Seriously. The second part of the post deals with the WIFOM.
On November 18 2012 02:03 debears wrote:
1) miller claim is a null tell
2) bh claimed because he's an idiot or scum. You're trying to take credit for it? Lol
3) wifomwfiomwifom
4) wifomwifomwifom
5) exactly. If you were town trying to survive, why wouldnt you vote for someone you realistically would believe would be lynched? If you were scum, you couldve thougjt it would help clear hapa if yoi got lynched with your vote on him
1) Not completely null. I'd have to risk a counterclaim. The game already has a godfather, so it's likely that there is both a miller and a cop. If I was scum and saw that we had a godfather, I wouldn't risk fake claiming not in a million fucking years.
2) Showing how I'm actually trying.
3)
4)
5) You are not this dumb. I wasn't town trying to survive WITH 5 MINUTES ON THE LYNCH AND 8 VOTES ON ME. I was giving my death reads. How is the fact that I was 100% expecting to die still in question? Jesus... even DP's WIFOM bomb theory makes more sense than this shit.
Seriously, stop posting until you actually have a computer. This is almost kush-level posting..
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On November 18 2012 02:06 debears wrote:
Cool. 6/6 and you feel like your weren't getting lynched? Then yoi make a post saying "Lynch this player and this player when he survives to day 2" althougb you didn't think you were getting lynched?
Oh and how would you know at that point that bh is living til day 3??????
That's just tragedy. What are you suggesting, that me and BH are scum buddies and I knew he would live? How does this even make sense? Done with you, kush.
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On November 18 2012 02:04 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 01:55 debears wrote:On November 18 2012 01:40 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote:
##unvote
##vote zbo
1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game
2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads
3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike.
4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me
5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first
Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4. On thrawn, have you noticed that thrawn was there at lynch time and didn't vote for you when hapa was in danger? I don't see scum just letting their godfather go down that easily on a last minute voteswing. 1) ill look into this when I gey my internet back 2) what does a cop have anything to do with this? Thisb is about your meta, your play, amd yhe doubt that the miller claim brings with both of those. We can afford to look at scummy people who will be liabilities at lylo right now. Fo we want to end the game? Yeah. Is it an easy win with how some have played this game? No 3) lol don't tell me to shut up. You know I'm right on this. Now you're getting offensive for no reason 4) cool. When you put suspicion on a person who is suspicious to someone you are suspicious of, it doesnt make sense 5) its an association. I havent gotten around to finishing associations cuz of the internet 2) You are calling me a liability because the cop can't check me. Confirm this if that is what you meant. If it is, then that argument is stupid, as there will necessarily be unchecked people should we get to lylo, i.e liabilities. That means that on the day before lylo, you should lynch whoever doesn't have a cop check. That's all just too dumb. You lynch people because they have scum motivation and scum mentality, not because they are "liabilities". 3) Well what do you expect? You just shat the entirety of my case saying it's dumb because of ONE aspect of what I said. You didn't deal with the rest of it. You didn't comment SHIT. That's just bad play. Also, He has 48 hours to play and contribute. I'm also interested in his reactions. You are not right here, no need for snark comments. Sportsmanship and courtesy DURING the game is not what mafia is about. If my case on thrawn was 100% irrefutable, you would definitely kill djodref, logically. Courtesy isn't a part of this. No one becomes townier and unlynchable just because they come in as a replacement. 4) English? You are using old and bad arguments. That's about it. 5) yea, so you just casually decided to ad this here. People are getting confident and getting lazy. REAAAAAD!!!!!
Just keep lecturing everyone. Thatll help you if you are town
2) my argument has nothing to do with a fucking cop. I never brought it up in ny argument. Its about how you claim miller, and then barely anyonr thinks you are town. That's the problem. If yoi were miller, I'd expect you to bust your balls to prove yoir innocence from the very start. You didn't do that d1 obviously since almost everyone thinks you are scummy.
3) we arent lynching djo today. Thrawns play is not necessarily scummy. He replaced out, which means he did have valid irl issues. You can't use replacing out as a fucking scum tell. You're grasping at straws
4) cool. Attack my english whrn ur not even reading, since you don't care to.
5) yeah I did add it because its related. Do you find it scummy that I did?
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On November 18 2012 02:11 Z-BosoN wrote:Debears, stop posting until you are able to read everything and comment. It's pissing me off how lazy, unhelpful, and useless your points are being. Seriously. The second part of the post deals with the WIFOM. Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 02:03 debears wrote:
1) miller claim is a null tell
2) bh claimed because he's an idiot or scum. You're trying to take credit for it? Lol
3) wifomwfiomwifom
4) wifomwifomwifom
5) exactly. If you were town trying to survive, why wouldnt you vote for someone you realistically would believe would be lynched? If you were scum, you couldve thougjt it would help clear hapa if yoi got lynched with your vote on him 1) Not completely null. I'd have to risk a counterclaim. The game already has a godfather, so it's likely that there is both a miller and a cop. If I was scum and saw that we had a godfather, I wouldn't risk fake claiming not in a million fucking years. 2) Showing how I'm actually trying. 3) 4) 5) You are not this dumb. I wasn't town trying to survive WITH 5 MINUTES ON THE LYNCH AND 8 VOTES ON ME. I was giving my death reads. How is the fact that I was 100% expecting to die still in question? Jesus... even DP's WIFOM bomb theory makes more sense than this shit.Seriously, stop posting until you actually have a computer. This is almost kush-level posting..
YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GETTING LYNCHED. WHY WERE YOU GIVING DEATH READs?
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Last one. You decided to go full-retard and I just want everyone else to see it.
On November 18 2012 02:14 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2012 02:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 18 2012 01:55 debears wrote:On November 18 2012 01:40 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote:
##unvote
##vote zbo
1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game
2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads
3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike.
4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me
5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first
Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4. On thrawn, have you noticed that thrawn was there at lynch time and didn't vote for you when hapa was in danger? I don't see scum just letting their godfather go down that easily on a last minute voteswing. 1) ill look into this when I gey my internet back 2) what does a cop have anything to do with this? Thisb is about your meta, your play, amd yhe doubt that the miller claim brings with both of those. We can afford to look at scummy people who will be liabilities at lylo right now. Fo we want to end the game? Yeah. Is it an easy win with how some have played this game? No 3) lol don't tell me to shut up. You know I'm right on this. Now you're getting offensive for no reason 4) cool. When you put suspicion on a person who is suspicious to someone you are suspicious of, it doesnt make sense 5) its an association. I havent gotten around to finishing associations cuz of the internet 2) You are calling me a liability because the cop can't check me. Confirm this if that is what you meant. If it is, then that argument is stupid, as there will necessarily be unchecked people should we get to lylo, i.e liabilities. That means that on the day before lylo, you should lynch whoever doesn't have a cop check. That's all just too dumb. You lynch people because they have scum motivation and scum mentality, not because they are "liabilities". 3) Well what do you expect? You just shat the entirety of my case saying it's dumb because of ONE aspect of what I said. You didn't deal with the rest of it. You didn't comment SHIT. That's just bad play. Also, He has 48 hours to play and contribute. I'm also interested in his reactions. You are not right here, no need for snark comments. Sportsmanship and courtesy DURING the game is not what mafia is about. If my case on thrawn was 100% irrefutable, you would definitely kill djodref, logically. Courtesy isn't a part of this. No one becomes townier and unlynchable just because they come in as a replacement. 4) English? You are using old and bad arguments. That's about it. 5) yea, so you just casually decided to ad this here. People are getting confident and getting lazy. REAAAAAD!!!!! Just keep lecturing everyone. Thatll help you if you are town 2) my argument has nothing to do with a fucking cop. I never brought it up in ny argument. Its about how you claim miller, and then barely anyonr thinks you are town. That's the problem. If yoi were miller, I'd expect you to bust your balls to prove yoir innocence from the very start. You didn't do that d1 obviously since almost everyone thinks you are scummy. 3) we arent lynching djo today. Thrawns play is not necessarily scummy. He replaced out, which means he did have valid irl issues. You can't use replacing out as a fucking scum tell. You're grasping at straws 4) cool. Attack my english whrn ur not even reading, since you don't care to. 5) yeah I did add it because its related. Do you find it scummy that I did?
2) lol wut. I'm scum because... I tried scumhunting more than proving my innocence? Because I didn't do what you expected me to? rofl
3) Says you. My case does not resume itself to him replacing out. You are responding to point #5. What about #1 #2 #3 #4?
4) Oh, I'm the one not reading... k
5) I'm finding you retarded. I honestly hope you are drunk or something, my opinion of you was much higher since before 15 minutes ago, I know you think better thant his.
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Seriously, please make a proper case and answer the posts I'm referring to. Stop this senseless pursuit which shows no logical thought process and no significant reading (as you yourself demonstrated up above), and please answer the post I asked you too. If you are town and you really feel I'm scum, at least do me the courtesy (as you are a courteous person) of properly responding to what I've said, giving a precise and clear explanation of why me being scum is a much explanation than me being town.
What are the scum motivations? Why don't my other explanations make sense? Read carefully, and think carefully and answer them carefully. I get the feeling you are just banthering over some massive confirmation bias.
Pretty please.
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On November 15 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Last minute lynch is totes going to work well. Let's ignore Z-Boson freggin telling peopel to LISTEN TO ME and call me scum.
Such fucking shit
On November 15 2012 11:12 Hapahauli wrote:
GG yo =D
Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over.
Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people.
Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"?
Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this
@Iamp
On November 15 2012 10:55 iamperfection wrote:
would be some poetic justice too to kill him with a last minute wagon.
LOL
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On November 18 2012 02:40 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Last minute lynch is totes going to work well. Let's ignore Z-Boson freggin telling peopel to LISTEN TO ME and call me scum.
Such fucking shit Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over. Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people. Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"? Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this@IampShow nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:55 iamperfection wrote:
would be some poetic justice too to kill him with a last minute wagon. LOL
Hapa is a really good player from the games I've read that he's in. He flipped red, your argument is major WIFOM.
I've said this before, if you're going to make an association case, make it a player's interactions with hapa/cross, not hapa/cross's interactions with a player.
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Zbo, I like your case against Djo, but my problem is it's hard to discern thrawn's actions because he got replaced for a reason.
We don't know the reason, but it was clear thrawn wasn't in this game fully. It's possible that hapa got lynched and he got pissed and ragequited, but it's possible he didn't.
Djo replaced him today, and I think so far he's making much more sense than Thrawn. Perhaps today is not the time to lynch him, give him more of a chance.
The only thing I really don't like about Djo so far is his insistence on speculating on setup.
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On November 18 2012 02:40 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Last minute lynch is totes going to work well. Let's ignore Z-Boson freggin telling peopel to LISTEN TO ME and call me scum.
Such fucking shit Just found this in the thread. Notice that both comments are after lynch deadline is over. Hapa knows he is lynched at this point. Why does he bring up Z-Bo out of all people? There was BH and me on him the whole time. But he brings up Z-Bo out of all people. Why does his demeanor change so quickly from pissed at Z-Bo to "gg yo"? Hapa's remark on Z-Bo feels forced reading this@IampShow nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:55 iamperfection wrote:
would be some poetic justice too to kill him with a last minute wagon. LOL
omg... are you scum debears? Does anyone else see this as badly as I do? He's using a post-mortem gg post as an association tell? This post should pretty much discredit him as a player. That just reeks of desperation to justify his sheeping on me. Checking his filter.
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Kickstart if you are around please post some stuff, thoughts, cases, anything. Need to know you're still out there.
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BlazingHand, I don't know if you are scum, but you seem the only one on my wagon to actually trying to legitimately pin me as scum, trying to tackle my posts. I can't defend myself against debears and DP, they are too blind to reason and are clearly not reading.
DP I have a 99.99% town read on so w.e on him.
What do you think of debears? What about djodref?
Let me know what you think of my latest posts concerning WIFOM bombs as well. Need to find a soul to whom I can adequately defend myself too. Hopeless is not taking the game seriously anymore, debears went full retard, and DP is quietly sleeping (when you wake up, let me know your explanation for my proof that my pre-night post was not WIFOM).
Also, I agree with clarity. Town just got waaaaaaaay more inactive. We're doing great, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Kickstart, Hopeless and iamp, need you guys here..
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Votecount:
Z-BosoN (4): Blazinghand, DarthPunk, hopeless1der, debears
strongandbig (2): Kickstart, Clarity_nl
Blazinghand (2): strongandbig, Djodref
Djodref (1): Z-BosoN
Not voting (1): iamperfection
Currently, Z-BosoM is set to be lynched! 7 hours ~20 minutes remaining in Day 1.
If you see your (or another's) vote to be wrong, it would be kind to notify us.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +Z-BosoN (4): Blazinghand, DarthPunk, Hopeless1der, debears
strongandbig (2): Kickstart, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, debears, Hopeless1der, Z-BosoN
Blazinghand (2): Djodref, strongandbig, debears, Djodref
Djodref (1): Z-BosoN
Not voting (1) iamperfection
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