On November 05 2012 01:46 strongandbig wrote:So it appears that Mementoss has decided to claim scum, and it looks like we're falling into the trap of letting a pretty-much-decided lynch keep us away from actually doing any scumhunting. That's not a good thing for town - just look at Liquid City, where town got handed two scum lynches by good blue play, but let its momentum die out and still lost the game. So let's try and get this thread moving a bit.
First a few questions:
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Stutters: I get that plowing through day1 is hard because of the rhyme game, but you've had some time so I would really like something from you other than the mementoss-Adam connection stuff and complaining about Chezinu. Believe me, we all feel the same way about Chezinu, but since he won't actually provide his reasoning for stuff like his claim plan or his D1 ninja vote on Mementoss I don't really know what to do about him. Chezinu actually plays like this all the time, regardless of alignment. So do you have any other potential scum reads? Or do you want to build up a case on Adam based on his posting or his actions, rather than the connection theory with Mementoss?
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Hopeless: You've been rocking the innuendo game, but I don't see much coming out of you yet today (not that anyone has seen much coming out of you, if you know what I mean) besides the innuendos and your Keirathi thing. Yesterday you attacked crossfire for voting then afk'ing (or at least, I assume that's what you meant by
+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2012 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
For tomorrow's minigame, I suggest "Race to lynch Crossfire!". Game involves voting ASAP and then afk'ing until the lynch. Have a great time guys, and remember, the points don't matter.
). How do you feel about crossfire right now based on his posting? Additionally, do you think he could be Mementoss's buddy if Mementoss flips scum?
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Chezinu: If you don't want to explain why you ninja voted Mementoss yesterday, then how about this - who do you think could be his scum partner? I'd appreciate it if you provided some reasoning other than your colored list.
Now, some of my own thoughts:
- I was reading through Crossfire's filter to think about asking him a question, but I found some stuff in there that I very much don't like.
For one thing, there's the overall fluffiness or what people have been calling his "poetry" - I think it was perfectly possible to play within the minigame restriction while still making total sense and expressing ideas in a clear and concise manner.
Show nested quote + My meta is completely destroyed because this game makes it much too fun to post all these sentences with ascending acrostic alphabetic beginnings. No, I say look at one's posts in this game to determine alignment.
I don't like this comment. Why should you be worried about staying in your "meta" - for one thing, you have like 200 posts, so how much meta can there be? For another thing I would expect anyone doing a meta read to take into account the unique circumstances of this game. It's weird that you call attention to and excuse a difference from an imagined "meta".
Then from earlier in his filter there's
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Really, what I was trying to say before I was so rudely interrupted was just that this posting restriction is making me feel like gonzaw with all these posts I'm making, and I can see the appeal of playing like this.
- more being all like "guys i'ma post so much!" - but his filter is really not very long. (You know what else of his isn't very long?) Like, there was no need to draw everyone's attention to the fact that he was posting a lot unless he's worried that people would accuse him of not posting enough.
then later on there's this:
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Ah, a wild Chezinu appears! Before it gets too long I must catch up to post my thoughts. Chezinu, if I include myself along with you, audience members now number two.
Doubtful am I that claiming will be useful because those evil musicians will just pretend to be one of us. Eventually we will see everyone's colors bright as can be. For all that is required is some meditative thought once all have played in this little alphabet game.
This is a really weird thing to do. In the exact same breath, tell someone their plan is bad, and also go along with it.
That said, this may well have been an optimal scum response to Chezinu's plan - we all agreed that scum would have to claim VT, but by doing it early he fits in and his claim gets cred if people follow Chezinu's plan, while simultaneously he comes out against it so he's on the right side of popular opinion if everyone else says "wtf chezinu your plan is scummy and terrible". (scummy and terrible - just like "the game" right?) (
+ Show Spoiler +in case you didn't get it the first time (check my filter) "the game" is what Chezinu calls his penis.
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Finally, there's one less significant thing that I still want to call attention to. (well, less significant than the rest of my case. Still more significant than crossfire's success with the opposite gender.)
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 01:37 Crossfire99 wrote:
Just to clarify, Hopeless, I did claim; but did I do that to take the heat off of blues, or am I actually a blue trying to claim VT to sneak under the radar (really over the radar with the way I've been posting)? Keep on guessing because I might not have even read my role PM myself. Lol. Maybe I should do that. Novel idea I had, to play without checking my role PM. Oh the possibilities!
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 01:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Xfire has now checked his role PM, so his win condition is clear to him. You will no longer see that from me because I guess I do have the possibility of playing against my role PM. Zorry for that, strong.
The interesting thing here is that in the first post, he "proposed" the idea that in the future he might play without reading his role PM (which, by the way, is a really weird thing to write a post about in the first place - more fluff, I guess?) but then after I yell at him about it, he claims that he just checked his role PM for the first time. I don't believe for a second that he actually played that far into the game without checking his role PM, but why would he phrase his response to me like that? I think it's because he was trying to be super-conciliatory after I yelled at him; he probably guessed that saying "okay I checked it" was the most direct way to get me off his back, when he should have said "I didn't try that this game, in the future I will not play like that."
Again, this last point is less significant, but it is a discrepancy and I think there is a scum motivation for it.
The main counterpoint to this case, that I can see, is (if Mementoss flips scum) the fact that crossfire voted for Mementoss yesterday. However, I'm not convinced that means very much. Don't forget, Gonzaw made sure that Mementoss wouldn't be lynched yesterday with his weird voting behavior. I could totally see a scum team tripping itself up like that if two of the players voted early (or committed early to voting, in Gonzaw's case) for their teammate, and then had to backpedal furiously when it turned out that he might actually get lynched. Anyway, this is only relevant if Mementoss flips scum.