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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:58 Stutters695 wrote:On November 05 2012 01:46 strongandbig wrote:
So it appears that Mementoss has decided to claim scum, and it looks like we're falling into the trap of letting a pretty-much-decided lynch keep us away from actually doing any scumhunting. That's not a good thing for town - just look at Liquid City, where town got handed two scum lynches by good blue play, but let its momentum die out and still lost the game. So let's try and get this thread moving a bit.
- Stutters: I get that plowing through day1 is hard because of the rhyme game, but you've had some time so I would really like something from you other than the mementoss-Adam connection stuff and complaining about Chezinu. Believe me, we all feel the same way about Chezinu, but since he won't actually provide his reasoning for stuff like his claim plan or his D1 ninja vote on Mementoss I don't really know what to do about him. Chezinu actually plays like this all the time, regardless of alignment. So do you have any other potential scum reads? Or do you want to build up a case on Adam based on his posting or his actions, rather than the connection theory with Mementoss?
I'm becoming more suspicious of Crossfire for a few reasons you didn't mention as well as some of your own. I agree with your analysis of his fluff and the strangeness of the meta comment but I don't think the thing about the role PM is really indicative at all. In the newbie games I've played a few people have done that or at least said they were going to do that resulted in it being a null tell. I can't see anything that we could use to figure out his role. One more speculative addition to the meta comment though is that he has no scum games to begin with.so it would make sense to me that he would try to preemptively point out the deviation from his town meta since he can't fall back on "this isn't my scum meta either." I don't really consider that strong at all. Now my additional points (since you covered the major concrete stuff) are mostly speculation based off of the assumption that there is no way in hell Mementoss will flip town with his d2 play. On the very small offchance he doesn't my focus would immediately shift to Adam. This + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 12:08 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:00 Mementoss wrote:On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ???????
That's not scummy at all... -obviously didnt read all of my post, and a pretty defensive reaction over 2 votes this early imo Haha, don't make me laugh, mementoss; I read your post and now I guess I need to explain it to you.
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:
I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. I agree I could have explained myself better; I got carried away in the beginning of this game and will try to do better going forward. Judging right here that even with all that crap I wrote which was confusing and weird, you think that is is more likely that I am town. Let me explain what "more likely" means. "More likely" means that given two options, one has a better chance of being true when compared to the other. Now you already stated that it is more likely that I am town, but now you need to say what the other option is, (the option that has a worse chance of being true). Show nested quote +but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. Oh, here you explain what that option with the worse chance of being true is; the option in which I am scum. Show nested quote +Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far.
##Vote Crossfire Proved I just did why your vote doesn't line up with your thought. Questioning my alignment is good. Revealing that you think it is more probable that I am town than scum and then voting for me is bad reasoning for a vote. So I hope I explained that well enough to your likening, mementoss.
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:00 Mementoss wrote:U BH, I said, I can see where your coming from how it seems townie, but I was ultimately voting him because I could also see where he could be doing it as scum - looking like contributing, - acknoledges moost of it was fluff when called out, -but why post fluff pirposely if you are town - as I said in my post, I need to re-read the thread and it isn't a strong scum read by any means - if your looking for people not reading the thread, look no further - On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ???????
That's not scummy at all... -obviously didnt read all of my post, and a pretty defensive reaction over 2 votes this early imo Then when you go to defend yourself, you say you're voting me because you could see me doing what i did as scum but its not a strong read. Uh huh, yeah you kinda already said that and I kinda already said why it's crazy using your words of "more likely xfire posting as town." Voting for me while thinking I'm more likely town than scum is scummy. interaction between Mementoss and Crossfire really didn't sit well with me. When I was going through his recent posts he kept referring back to his "case" and the fact that Mementoss ignored Adam's criticism of Mem's Keirathi case. His case however is based off of what could be a scumslip but could just as easily be explained by Mem feeling that even though he might be town the posting style and potential for scum is worth it (BH actually defends Mem from this case the post after Cross calls him out initially). In addition to a case being based off of a debatable interpretation the whole thing feels somewhat orchestrated to me. He throws some big posts around that accuse Mementoss without really challenging him. It makes him still appear confrontational but in those two giant posts he doesn't accuse him of being scum outside of an offhanded comment when he first calls him out. Finally, he doesn't even vote him until a day later when the deadline is approaching and he hasn't given any analysis on someone else to avoid voting Mementoss. If that line was so scummy why wouldn't he have voted him at the time and tried to get an answer instead of waiting? The only thing that really gives me pause to this idea is both that his vote actually put Mementoss ahead 4-3 and this feels somewhat elaborate and unnecessary at the time. The delayed vote and the weakness of why he is voting him while claiming that BKExe's "brain farts" make him a null tell feels off. Moving past this post however his only comments since then have all revolved around either his "case" or how he thinks Adam is right calling BS on the Keirathi case. Feels to me like he is trying to ride that "case" as long as he can for town cred without actually contributing. All of these things together just feels too off to me for him to be town. Townies obviously make mistakes but I'm struggling to find town motivation for all of these topics. So on one hand I want to assume that you were ninja'd by me because some of your stuff in there is just plain wrong. I have been scum before. Heck, I was third party in my last game. How deep did you research my meta? Because on the other hand it appears you didn't and just made everything up. Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night.
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Mementoss, there's no reason to jerk us all around. Do you really think BH is Drew? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Or I am just going to have to ignore everything you wrote this day because you couldn't control yourself and had to spew your junk all over.
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On November 05 2012 08:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Mementoss, there's no reason to jerk us all around. Do you really think BH is Drew? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Or I am just going to have to ignore everything you wrote this day because you couldn't control yourself and had to spew your junk all over.
Spewing junk all over? Well, that doesn't sound like Mementoss, now does it?
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On November 05 2012 08:09 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Mementoss, there's no reason to jerk us all around. Do you really think BH is Drew? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Or I am just going to have to ignore everything you wrote this day because you couldn't control yourself and had to spew your junk all over. Spewing junk all over? Well, that doesn't sound like Mementoss, now does it?
Any thoughts on my response to your case? Or are you too busy informing us of how disappointed you are in Mem's ability to satisfy you...
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On November 05 2012 08:15 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:09 strongandbig wrote:On November 05 2012 08:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Mementoss, there's no reason to jerk us all around. Do you really think BH is Drew? Can you provide any evidence to support this? Or I am just going to have to ignore everything you wrote this day because you couldn't control yourself and had to spew your junk all over. Spewing junk all over? Well, that doesn't sound like Mementoss, now does it? Any thoughts on my response to your case? Or are you too busy informing us of how disappointed you are in Mem's ability to satisfy you...
I don't know, man - you didn't explain the thing with Chezinu's roleclaim plan at all, and there's really no town motivation for the alphabet poetry stuff.
So yeah, I don't find your response super persuasive.
The only real sticking point is the mementoss vote thing, but like I said, I'm not convinced by it.
At this point I'd really like to hear some other people comment on the case.
What I'd like from you is, who do you think is scum? If Mementoss flips scum, who do you think his buddy is? We need more scumhunting in here.
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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night.
The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum.
About those that were voting BKE yesterday:
Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot.
Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi.
Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus.
Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination.
And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him .
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Chezinu, what do you think about all this? I just say your ninja vote on Mementoss.
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On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night. The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him .
Okay so what I'm confused about here is, why would any other mementoss voter switching off mementoss at the last minute have looked any better than what gonzaw did? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think we can just write off all the mementoss voters like that.
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On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night. The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him .
If I die before Adam, and he doesn't swiftly follow me to the afterlife, I'll be gravely disappointed. If you know what I mean.
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On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night. The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum. About those that were voting BKE yesterday: Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot. Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi. Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus. Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination. And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him .
What do you think of stutter's talk about my meta? Was it just a brain fart or do you think he lied about doing research on me?
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On November 05 2012 08:51 Crossfire99 wrote:
Chezinu, what do you think about all this? I just say your ninja vote on Mementoss.
I don't want to get modkilled now and it seems the majority is lynching hims. I wonder whos idea it was to lynch mementoss... Anyways, I haven't been reading the thread much in light of all the dirty talking going on - its pretty degrading.
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On November 05 2012 08:51 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so what I'm confused about here is, why would any other mementoss voter switching off mementoss at the last minute have looked any better than what gonzaw did? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think we can just write off all the mementoss voters like that.
The point is that gonzaw had to act like a lunatic around the vote time because there was no other scum on the Mementoss wagon to switch off.
If Chezinu, for example, had been scum and come back and just switched, he would have copped -some- flack for it, but it wouldn't have incriminated two of his teammates, just brought some heat down on himself.
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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:58 Stutters695 wrote:On November 05 2012 01:46 strongandbig wrote:
So it appears that Mementoss has decided to claim scum, and it looks like we're falling into the trap of letting a pretty-much-decided lynch keep us away from actually doing any scumhunting. That's not a good thing for town - just look at Liquid City, where town got handed two scum lynches by good blue play, but let its momentum die out and still lost the game. So let's try and get this thread moving a bit.
- Stutters: I get that plowing through day1 is hard because of the rhyme game, but you've had some time so I would really like something from you other than the mementoss-Adam connection stuff and complaining about Chezinu. Believe me, we all feel the same way about Chezinu, but since he won't actually provide his reasoning for stuff like his claim plan or his D1 ninja vote on Mementoss I don't really know what to do about him. Chezinu actually plays like this all the time, regardless of alignment. So do you have any other potential scum reads? Or do you want to build up a case on Adam based on his posting or his actions, rather than the connection theory with Mementoss?
I'm becoming more suspicious of Crossfire for a few reasons you didn't mention as well as some of your own. I agree with your analysis of his fluff and the strangeness of the meta comment but I don't think the thing about the role PM is really indicative at all. In the newbie games I've played a few people have done that or at least said they were going to do that resulted in it being a null tell. I can't see anything that we could use to figure out his role. One more speculative addition to the meta comment though is that he has no scum games to begin with.so it would make sense to me that he would try to preemptively point out the deviation from his town meta since he can't fall back on "this isn't my scum meta either." I don't really consider that strong at all. Now my additional points (since you covered the major concrete stuff) are mostly speculation based off of the assumption that there is no way in hell Mementoss will flip town with his d2 play. On the very small offchance he doesn't my focus would immediately shift to Adam. This + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2012 12:08 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:00 Mementoss wrote:On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ???????
That's not scummy at all... -obviously didnt read all of my post, and a pretty defensive reaction over 2 votes this early imo Haha, don't make me laugh, mementoss; I read your post and now I guess I need to explain it to you.
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:
I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. I agree I could have explained myself better; I got carried away in the beginning of this game and will try to do better going forward. Judging right here that even with all that crap I wrote which was confusing and weird, you think that is is more likely that I am town. Let me explain what "more likely" means. "More likely" means that given two options, one has a better chance of being true when compared to the other. Now you already stated that it is more likely that I am town, but now you need to say what the other option is, (the option that has a worse chance of being true). Show nested quote +but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum. Oh, here you explain what that option with the worse chance of being true is; the option in which I am scum. Show nested quote +Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far.
##Vote Crossfire Proved I just did why your vote doesn't line up with your thought. Questioning my alignment is good. Revealing that you think it is more probable that I am town than scum and then voting for me is bad reasoning for a vote. So I hope I explained that well enough to your likening, mementoss.
Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:00 Mementoss wrote:U BH, I said, I can see where your coming from how it seems townie, but I was ultimately voting him because I could also see where he could be doing it as scum - looking like contributing, - acknoledges moost of it was fluff when called out, -but why post fluff pirposely if you are town - as I said in my post, I need to re-read the thread and it isn't a strong scum read by any means - if your looking for people not reading the thread, look no further - On November 01 2012 06:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you see me as more likely town, so you vote for me? -_- ???????
That's not scummy at all... -obviously didnt read all of my post, and a pretty defensive reaction over 2 votes this early imo Then when you go to defend yourself, you say you're voting me because you could see me doing what i did as scum but its not a strong read. Uh huh, yeah you kinda already said that and I kinda already said why it's crazy using your words of "more likely xfire posting as town." Voting for me while thinking I'm more likely town than scum is scummy. interaction between Mementoss and Crossfire really didn't sit well with me. When I was going through his recent posts he kept referring back to his "case" and the fact that Mementoss ignored Adam's criticism of Mem's Keirathi case. His case however is based off of what could be a scumslip but could just as easily be explained by Mem feeling that even though he might be town the posting style and potential for scum is worth it (BH actually defends Mem from this case the post after Cross calls him out initially). In addition to a case being based off of a debatable interpretation the whole thing feels somewhat orchestrated to me. He throws some big posts around that accuse Mementoss without really challenging him. It makes him still appear confrontational but in those two giant posts he doesn't accuse him of being scum outside of an offhanded comment when he first calls him out. Finally, he doesn't even vote him until a day later when the deadline is approaching and he hasn't given any analysis on someone else to avoid voting Mementoss. If that line was so scummy why wouldn't he have voted him at the time and tried to get an answer instead of waiting? The only thing that really gives me pause to this idea is both that his vote actually put Mementoss ahead 4-3 and this feels somewhat elaborate and unnecessary at the time. The delayed vote and the weakness of why he is voting him while claiming that BKExe's "brain farts" make him a null tell feels off. Moving past this post however his only comments since then have all revolved around either his "case" or how he thinks Adam is right calling BS on the Keirathi case. Feels to me like he is trying to ride that "case" as long as he can for town cred without actually contributing. All of these things together just feels too off to me for him to be town. Townies obviously make mistakes but I'm struggling to find town motivation for all of these topics. So on one hand I want to assume that you were ninja'd by me because some of your stuff in there is just plain wrong. I have been scum before. Heck, I was third party in my last game. How deep did you research my meta? Because on the other hand it appears you didn't and just made everything up. Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night.
My bad I went through them but I completely missed XVII. Ignore that part but I still stand by the rest of my points.
Of course I don't think you intentionally did that to Gonzaw. Gonzaw also threw himself under the bus with his last post before the flip. He could have voted BKE like his post seemed to imply but instead he still voted Mementoss.
If you had any body of work except your one "case" I wouldn't think nearly as much of this but I really don't like that you've been riding essentially a sentence all day 2.
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On November 05 2012 08:54 Crossfire99 wrote:
What do you think of stutter's talk about my meta? Was it just a brain fart or do you think he lied about doing research on me?
Yeah probably just overlooked it, seems like a harmless mistake to me.
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Even if you're not convinced by the day 1 votes, lets look at some of Hopeless1der's posts from today.
I flippantly accuse him of being scum. The correct response would have been "Me? why!? You haven't even mentioned me all game, where is this coming from?"
Instead we got:
On November 04 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 10:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Trying to look active there Hopeless?
Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum. That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for.
Not only does he not seem surprised that he is drawing attention, but he claims to have all the answers I want, as if he's been thinking about what he's going to say when he gets accused.
His post on Keirathi was just complete piffle, a waste of time to appear active.
And finally:
On November 05 2012 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
If I die before Adam, and he doesn't swiftly follow me to the afterlife, I'll be gravely disappointed. If you know what I mean.
So, instead of trying to convince me that he is town, as I did to BH's pressure, he just goes straight to "I really hope you kill this guy". If he were town, why would he want to kill someone that he doesn't even know the alignment of, it could just be a bad tunnel from a townie.
Does not have a townie mind.
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Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me.
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On November 05 2012 09:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me.
Are you implying that he has special information?
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I'm implying that he really shouldn't, and his process of elimination relies on unconfirmed information.
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EBWOP: Unless he's scum, then yeah, he has special info.
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On November 05 2012 09:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me.
I am not trying to get you lynched today, its Mementoss turn to dance the hempen jig.
Your turn is tomorrow, but I may as well make my thoughts known today, as its a slow news day and someone will most probably die tonight.
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