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On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta. This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done. Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck. In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green. In fact. That is very very scummy.
First off, I'm getting the feeling that he could be town. Obviously not enough to shit on VE's claim and unvote him.
Also, you are tunneling him hard, but then you make no concession that he is playing differently once he got confronted.
Also, you are actually taking into consideration the possibility of me milking cred from him --> so you acknowledge the possibility of him being town? Yes or no?
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On October 10 2012 14:16 Coagulation wrote:
meh.. zbos looks like try hard town to me
Why thank you. I've even changed the color of your quotes from now on. Let us hope our new-found friendship rebuts all accusations against us, yes?
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On October 10 2012 14:16 Coagulation wrote:
meh.. zbos looks like try hard town to me
does he still look like that if i flip green?
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On October 10 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta. This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done. Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck. In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green. In fact. That is very very scummy. First off, I'm getting the feeling that he could be town. Obviously not enough to shit on VE's claim and unvote him. Also, you are tunneling him hard, but then you make no concession that he is playing differently once he got confronted. Also, you are actually taking into consideration the possibility of me milking cred from him --> so you acknowledge the possibility of him being town? Yes or no?
Of course it is possible that he has been framed. I don't find it likely. But it is possible. Kush is someone I already wanted to lynch who then gets a cop check come back red and then you say it is strange I don't think he is town. That somehow failing to see how townie that Kush is and pressuring him is 'weird' .
That is just suspicious as fuck. And is the thing which brings the most doubt into my mind about kush.
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For contrasting purposes.
First view on kush:
On October 07 2012 20:18 DarthPunk wrote:
About Kush's analysis. That is beyond anything I have seen from him in terms of actual quality analysis in the 3 games of his I obs'd and the 2 I have since played with him. It is a striking difference from that play and even the play in this game.
Either he is improving in his play. or he is being coached in the QT. I find both plausible at this point and certainly don;t want to lynch him for sound analysis.
That being said. I do want to lynch him for All the reasons I have already brought up.
What the fuck is this post right here? I don't want to lynch him for these reasons. I want to lynch him for those reasons. Why the hell is he even bringing that up? This flimsiness is characteristic of scum. Especially DarthPunk. In XXVIII when he got tunnel vision on kush, he didn't even begin to make a concession of any type.
So right now, he's made clear he wants to lynch kush, despite him showing improved play (for some reason, he feels it's necessary to mention this).
Afterwards:
On October 09 2012 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 17:20 kushm4sta wrote:
DP and VE have me voted.. seriously. I realized I'm biased but from my perspective I seem pretty damn green.
Marv defending me means nothing. If that is your primary reasons for voting me then that is weak and you know it.
DP your primary reason for voting me is that I fucked with you? You don't see how that is something a town or scum kush could have done? If anything it's a null tell.
Look at my play, if you can bear to drudge through my filter.
@VE your activity has been really bad and if you are town I doubt you put much thought into this vote. Why would you vote for an outlier candidate instead of a popular one? You haven't done of the legwork to make a case against me and convince others. You Employed WIFOM against me in order to mask your scum slips and meta. By intentionally making scum slips and employing your scum meta. It is the scummiest thing that has happened in this thread. And bvy god you should have been lynched for it days ago. It even caused ToutEstChaos to change his mind and make you his number one scum read. A confirmed town thinks you were the most likely scum. You shat all over the thread. You have barely scum hunted despite a lengthy filter. You have proven that you are aware of your meta so that is now useless. You employed Wifom to mask your scumslips and scum meta. Marv defended you before he was caught. Hapa defended you before he was caught. As soon as you became toutEstchaos' number one scum read he died. The only argument in your favor comes from a suspicious player in his own right. And is comprised of pure WIFOM and speculation. I have not voted for you so now you are lying or not reading. And the case against you is far more than you 'fucking with me' which in itself is far to simplistic an explanation.
Then ends with this post:
On October 10 2012 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:
gg dp. If I flip town will you admit that you are bad? because that would almost make it worth it. LOL. So bad I caught you twice in a row. You are not flipping town. Obviously.
Also:
On October 10 2012 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 08:39 kushm4sta wrote:
dp this is important: if I flip town are you bad? You aren't flipping town kush.
Now what's interesting about this is that he finds me scummy for including the possibility that kush may flip town. If he thinks kush will flip scum, for sure, as he says, why is he targeting me for considering this possibility?. One may think that he thinks I'm trying to defend my scumbuddy. But that's not what he includes here:
On October 10 2012 14:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Kush, you are acting a lot more townie this game when confronted to a lynch.
I find it weird how DP is making no mention of this, since he's the "kush expert" here I have mentioned it. I have also mentioned how he is aware of his meta and has employed it in WIFOM bombing me. So he could easily have changed it. And lets be honest. Getting caught so fast last game would have been an obvious catalyst for working on an incredibly transparent meta. This is not the first time he has been confronted with pressure and I would have originally thought this was a town tell for kush. I even had a town read on him when I replaced in. But his WIFOM against me showed a willingness to both abuse and alter his meta. To the point where I don;t feel it is enough to clear him Especially with the multiple scummy things he has done. Also. If you feel that kush is town. Then you should unvote him. Voting for someone and then protesting that vote is scummy as fuck. In fact. The biggest thing that makes me wary of lynching Kush is that you seem to be trying to milk town cred if Kush flips green.In fact. That is very very scummy.
So, Darthpunk, are you or are you not sure that he is scum? You attack me for considering that he might be townie, yet you make that same consideration yourself? Very weird. Very weird indeed.
Also, his only scumhunting from the last three pages is this list:
On October 07 2012 16:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also. Where the fuck are:
Shiao Pi
Mattchew
BloodyC0bbler
These are experienced players that have had almost zero thread presence since I replaced in to the game.
I mean I think Kush is scummy as shit. But at least he is making a contribution and posting. Even if his posts are crap. They exist and he has thread presence.
And a couple of other aggressive cases against ShiaoPi. He also reiterates the meta arguments brought up by our smurfy friend ToutEstChaos. Another useless post:
On October 09 2012 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:
I have to agree with Keirathi about sloosh. Even as 3rd party he contributed more than he has this game. And he even pushed a case on scum S&B. This game I barely even know he is playing. He hasn't really scum hunted and combined with switching off the node wagon back to shady he looks very suspicious.
I also agree that it is strange for hapa to have pushed risk so hard if he was town. I know this is somewhat WIFOM. But I don't see the point of Immediately pushing your scum buddy after you lose marv.
I feel Like VE fits into that whole group of scummy/lurking vets.
BC
Matt
Sloosh
VE etc.
They can't all be scum. But out of that group I think Matt and Sloosh look the worst.
Also Shiao Pi continues to lurk so I don;t know wtf is up with him. Yeah his meta has him sort of inactive. But not as badly as this game. It could be a by product of the boring past cycles. But I would be watching him.
So DP has spent much of the last three pages in his filtering tunneling kush, and made some posts that seem more like he's giving off the impression he wants to scumhunt without generally doing so.
He's also criticizing me for something he himself noted earlier on, but quickly changed his mind on the subject. It seems to me like he's seizing the opportunity to use kush as an excuse to not bother reading the thread. His "suspicion" on me seems fake as all hell, and I think he's scum.
#Fos DarthPunk
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
@zboson:
iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now.
VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim)
so yeah lets lynch kush!
##unvote
##vote: kush
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On October 10 2012 14:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
@zboson:
iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now.
VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim)
so yeah lets lynch kush!
##unvote
##vote: kush
rofl
yeah im not standing out. The guy that has been yelling that kush has been town. The guy who now has accused visceraeyes and coagulation at times of being scum and now they are likely town. The guy that said you were full of shit from your very first post. The guy that attacked hapa as soon as he got in the thread and ultimately fliped scum. the guy that said marvs flip said nothing about node.
ya you know who has been flying under the radar you shaopi.
The same guy that whined at the end of his last game. cried it wasn't my fault i lost it was the towns activity and yet was part of the problem. So dont come in here and accuse me for flying the radar. read the thread and come in with something for real against me if you think im fucking scum read this thread i dont want meta make a real case because i already any meta argument against me is wrong in this game so when you come in with weak crap like that it makes me think your scum.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
lol whats with the aggressiveness? boson asked a question I replied.and you go into butthurt mode? whatever suits yourself
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looking at again i think i may have misread some of shaopi's post................
still most of my points still stand.
1.Shaopi comes in says im acting like i did when i was scum. (Which is totally irrelevant anyways since they had a very inactive town there was no reason for me to say anthing i didnt have to in that game)
Also im not acting that way.
2. Wtf is he afraid of am i scum or am i not scum shaopi why not just say it or make a proper case.
3. He hasent been active while complaining about activity in post game of gsl blaming that for the reason for town loss.
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On October 10 2012 15:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
lol whats with the aggressiveness? boson asked a question I replied.and you go into butthurt mode? whatever suits yourself
because your not making any sense i should stand out to you if your town.
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On October 10 2012 14:55 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
@zboson:
iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now.
VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim)
so yeah lets lynch kush!
##unvote
##vote: kush rofl yeah im not standing out. The guy that has been yelling that kush has been town. The guy who now has accused visceraeyes and coagulation at times of being scum and now they are likely town. The guy that said you were full of shit from your very first post. The guy that attacked hapa as soon as he got in the thread and ultimately fliped scum. the guy that said marvs flip said nothing about node. ya you know who has been flying under the radar you shaopi. The same guy that whined at the end of his last game. cried it wasn't my fault i lost it was the towns activity and yet was part of the problem. So dont come in here and accuse me for flying the radar. read the thread and come in with something for real against me if you think im fucking scum read this thread i dont want meta make a real case because i already any meta argument against me is wrong in this game so when you come in with weak crap like that it makes me think your scum.
Why is coagulation likely town?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
@iamp
1. I guess we can agree to.disagree on tuis one
2. boson asked for my opinion on you, I answered. No need for me to write case at the moment
3. yeah I have been inactive and lazy this game, since we had 2 cycles of 100% scum lynches.
go make a real case if you think me scum
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On October 10 2012 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:55 iamperfection wrote:On October 10 2012 14:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
@zboson:
iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now.
VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim)
so yeah lets lynch kush!
##unvote
##vote: kush rofl yeah im not standing out. The guy that has been yelling that kush has been town. The guy who now has accused visceraeyes and coagulation at times of being scum and now they are likely town. The guy that said you were full of shit from your very first post. The guy that attacked hapa as soon as he got in the thread and ultimately fliped scum. the guy that said marvs flip said nothing about node. ya you know who has been flying under the radar you shaopi. The same guy that whined at the end of his last game. cried it wasn't my fault i lost it was the towns activity and yet was part of the problem. So dont come in here and accuse me for flying the radar. read the thread and come in with something for real against me if you think im fucking scum read this thread i dont want meta make a real case because i already any meta argument against me is wrong in this game so when you come in with weak crap like that it makes me think your scum. Why is coagulation likely town?
ve checked him and he returned town. read the thread.
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Framers... In a game with a godfather and originally millers. I find that very hard to believe.
If you flip scum you're one of the worst mafia players on the forum because you had to make the town believe you were genuinely retarded rather then scum to not get lynched.
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Oh, right, missed that.
I don't get wtf is up with the overreaction though. Getting defensive?
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iamp, you've got this thing about not being mentioned by people. It's a town trait and thus I have no reason to look into you closer. And it's an effing bold move if you're scum, which I haven't seen you play scum much but it's bolder than most newish players are willing to venture.
Just chillax dude - if Shiao is scum we'll find out soon enough.
What's your take on Mementoss' claim? According to the OP we have a Private Investigator (me) a yet-to-be-confirmed "Detective" and Mementoss' claim of a watcher type role in (I think) "Medical Examiner".
My role functions like a cop/rolecop double whammy. That begs the questions "What does the Detective do?" and "Why the piss does a role like Medical Examiner function like a watcher?".
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On October 10 2012 15:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Oh, right, missed that.
I don't get wtf is up with the overreaction though. Getting defensive?
what overreaction.
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On October 10 2012 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp, you've got this thing about not being mentioned by people. It's a town trait and thus I have no reason to look into you closer. And it's an effing bold move if you're scum, which I haven't seen you play scum much but it's bolder than most newish players are willing to venture.
Just chillax dude - if Shiao is scum we'll find out soon enough.
What's your take on Mementoss' claim? According to the OP we have a Private Investigator (me) a yet-to-be-confirmed "Detective" and Mementoss' claim of a watcher type role in (I think) "Medical Examiner".
My role functions like a cop/rolecop double whammy. That begs the questions "What does the Detective do?" and "Why the piss does a role like Medical Examiner function like a watcher?".
ya im a bad person to ask about setup speculation i have no clue.
i see no reason not to believe memen's claim though.
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Right, I'm imagining things. You didn't just overreact to ShiaoPi. I have to make up my mind on you yet.
Allright, if we take all claims so far as true, VE's judgement of iamperfection as true, and my own reads (i.e not finding risk.nuke, Sloosh (changed my mind), and kreb), that just leaves:
ShiaoPi, DP, Keirathi and Mattchew.
Right now I'm leaning DP and ShiaoPi as my top reads. Keir I haven't read his filter carefully yet, and Mattchew I can't formulate a read on, he's too absent from this game.
I changed my mind on sloosh because I really don't think scum would be ballsy enough to openly try to push a lynch on a 3rd party BC. I could be entirely wrong here, but it's just want I think.
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ZBos what did you hope to accomplish with your switch to Coag D1?
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