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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 02 2012 15:39 JacobStrangelove wrote: Erm one thing I will ask though is how do you quote and keep the name of the person you are quoting? Such as "On September 02 2012 15:19 KillingTime wrote:" Didn't you already do it here? On September 02 2012 12:48 JacobStrangelove wrote: To lynch or not to lynch that is the question! But lynching does give information which is something that is normally lacking in the first day. If we didn't lynch then the second day would be much like the first (confusion etc..) But I was watching last game so I know what you mean. Besides the town with bad arguments or the ones that don't post normally get lynched first (or the ones that panic which is understandable) so it's not like we lose a really valuable analyst if we lynch first day. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 02 2012 15:50 kushm4sta wrote: Didn't you already do it here? Yeah that is a complete quote not a section of a quote. OH I see now I was removing the JacobStrangelove wrote: part at the start. I'll see if this works. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 02 2012 15:23 kushm4sta wrote: okok I get it... about a thousand people explain to me why my idea is bad. Mafia thinks to themselves, "hmm here is something obvious I can post about that wont make me look suspicious." Your point? Are you saying that you are suspicious of KillingTime's post? 3 =/= 1,000,000 and how can you not expect at least that many people to respond to your no-lynch idea especially considering there's nothing else to talk about except lurker policy? I'd hoped that you'd taken a lesson from XXV and eased off from making inflammatory and impulsive posts. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch. On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 02 2012 16:24 thrawn2112 wrote: Your point? Are you saying that you are suspicious of KillingTime's post? 3 =/= 1,000,000 and how can you not expect at least that many people to respond to your no-lynch idea especially considering there's nothing else to talk about except lurker policy? I'd hoped that you'd taken a lesson from XXV and eased off from making inflammatory and impulsive posts. There is a big difference between lurker policy and my question. My question had an obvious answer everyone agrees on (including me now). Lurker policy is actually something that is relevant because not everyone agrees on it. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Morning everyone, this thread got started nicely overnight it seems. About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers. Obviously the chance of getting a scum right on the first day is limited, but generally it keeps the discussion going. You're also not necessarily sacrificing someone important if you're lynching an inactive townie either. Overall it seems like the best of all the options. Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum. (Im gonna have to get used to not editing posts too :p Im way too used doing that!) | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Post is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote: About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers. Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum. You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 02 2012 18:29 thrawn2112 wrote: Oh and ##FOS Hank Hill. 3 people were already at Strickland Propane and Hank being late to work, or even being the 4th person to show up is not at all in line with Hank's moral character. Dude are you in love with King of the Hill or what? This is your 4th reference to it and second post with nothing more than a reference. Stop clogging your filter because I'm going to have to read it a lot since I already kind of suspect you. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On September 02 2012 10:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Alright fellow townies, one post before I go to bed, it's 3am over here. Make sure to read the maffia guide thread if you haven't, it's really good. Try to make concise posts and think 'em through before posting, the last thing we need is added confusion. We also need transparency, so try to contribute with at least one post per game day where you clearly explain your reasoning behind your most solid reads. If everyone does this, the mobsters will have to too. And blue roles, with great power comes great responsibility, so please don't do stupid shit just because you can :p Finally, keep in mind: if you're a vanilla townie, death by NK is a great honor and the best possible outcome for the group as a whole. Goodnight and see ya tomorrow. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Then there's this: On September 02 2012 16:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Not only is a no-lynch bad, it's impossible. Read the rules. Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch. On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote: First: GLHF everyone! Morning everyone, this thread got started nicely overnight it seems. About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers. Obviously the chance of getting a scum right on the first day is limited, but generally it keeps the discussion going. You're also not necessarily sacrificing someone important if you're lynching an inactive townie either. Overall it seems like the best of all the options. Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum. (Im gonna have to get used to not editing posts too :p Im way too used doing that!) This is another way of saying "I'm going to wait for a bandwagon to form and then jump on it close to the deadline". Things like that set my Mafia alarms ringing immediately - especially since the rest of that post is just extremely wishy-washy and fluffy non-content... Kreb, if you want to convince me you're not Mafia, then who do you think is Mafia and why? On September 02 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote: Are people ok with NOT lynching anyone first night or is this generally thought of as bad play? Because honestly it seems impossible to have a good idea of who is mafia by then. Last game everyone was like we NEED to lynch someone, and we ended up lynching WeeTee, an innocent! I love all my townies and I don't want to kill any. At first I thought kushm4sta looked suspicious, but in the end, I really doubt Mafia would go on such a rampage of careless posts - they would much rather hide and wait for good opportunities. Then there's this post that he just posted: On September 02 2012 18:45 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote kreb Post is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. A very proactive post with good reasoning. kushm4sta is looking strongly town to me at the moment. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:08 thrawn2112 wrote: Do you suspect me because of the references or is there another reason? I'm automatically extra suspicious of you because I think it would be very easy for mafia to hide behind your careful, intellectual playstyle. On another note, we are still awaiting first posts from WeeTee, Kville, and Stutters695. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote: At first I thought kushm4sta looked suspicious, but in the end, I really doubt Mafia would go on such a rampage of careless posts - they would much rather hide and wait for good opportunities. Then there's this post that he just posted: A very proactive post with good reasoning. kushm4sta is looking strongly town to me at the moment. Ha! the ball is starting to roll. I honestly agree with the mafia would be less likely to go on a drunken rampage like kush is displaying. (but it is an amazing tactic{takes notes}) Also he pointed out the long day and the strange wording of Krebs message. Being my first game I completely missed the fact that in a 48 hour day you should be able to get way more than a slight read on anybody. However "closer to the deadline" doesn't mean waiting till the last minute. In other words for not saying much Krebs has almost covered himself with this wording. I guess we should see how long is "closer to the deadline" actually is. Also to thrawn, he probably can't justify it however if he is gone for 15 hours he may as well put a post down on whoever looks the worst. Oh and I didn't have a clue what the reference was and was completely confused. :/ | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:34 kushm4sta wrote: I'm automatically extra suspicious of you because I think it would be very easy for mafia to hide behind your careful, intellectual playstyle. On another note, we are still awaiting first posts from WeeTee, Kville, and Stutters695. You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:41 JacobStrangelove wrote: You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. Nah I don't have a scum read on kush at all, I'm just underwhelmed by his reads so I'm pointing out my disagreements with them. He does look like town because of how eager and fearless he's being and I don't think it's likely that he'd stick his neck out so far if he were scum. On September 02 2012 19:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Oh and I didn't have a clue what the reference was and was completely confused. :/ Kush was talking about all my king of the hill posts. And sorry kush they're probably going to keep coming whenever I'm bored. As for kush's case and insanely early vote for kreb: my comments in red On September 02 2012 18:45 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote kreb Post is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. Yeah it's an insanely premature vote. I don't see the logic in voting for someone based off their low post count when it's only 10 hours into the game and other people have yet to post. Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." There is nothing suspicious at all about someone who makes their first post focused entirely on lurker policy. I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. This is the only part of kreb's post that I can see scum motivations behind, and that's only because of the wording, "slightest read." It does stick out as the scummiest thing anyone has said so far but for kush to go ahead and vote just based on a single post when we don't know what kreb's final post count will be just seems ridiculous. An ##FOS would have been more appropriate. So no, kreb's post doesn't justify kush's vote. On September 02 2012 19:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. Does your thinking kush and I are omgusing each other mean you have town reads on us? | ||
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On September 02 2012 20:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Does your thinking kush and I are omgusing each other mean you have town reads on us? Town until proven otherwise. But I start with everyone as town reads, town is my neutral. From that I balance all the strange/illogical things people say on a scale and whoever starts getting high I look into. I do kinda read Kush as town as (while I have only seen him play one game) it does look kinda similar to how he played last time. As for you completly null at the moment. Also yeah it doesn't justify a vote. (maybe with him sleeping{although sleeping for 15 hours?}) But you have to start somewhere. Also thanks for reminding me about FoS. Now that I think about it that would have been completly more appropriate. For example if he votes now but doesn't do much at the other end of the day I would suspect him a lot. However if at the other end he provides arguments and such/changes vote I would think he is just over enthusiastic. (unless something else strange occurs) | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote: There are a couple of posts that caught my attention. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Since this is a newbie game I think the basics needs to be pointed out asap before we move on. We just need to keep calm and make well thought-out posts, that way it'll be much more difficult for the scum to kick up shitstorms over nothing to get the town distracted. I've followed a few newbie games and the first couple of days the townies are usually too busy throwing around random accusations and lynching other townies to get any productive work going. On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote: The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? Fair enough. I think that description fits basically anyone within the first 10-20 post of the thread though. Once the discussion gets going, like it's starting to now, we'll see which posters are ducking and which ones are actually contributing. As for your question, I think it's easier to find people standing out as likely townies at this point. In my experience, people engaging in discussions and poo-flinging early game are less likely to be scum. For this reason, I'll give some townie points to kush and thrawn. Thrawn also seems to be a productive and solid contributor. It'll be hard for him to keep up with that if he's really scum, so some extra townie points for him. When it comes to scum, I'm really suspicious of people who just pop in to make a fluffy post and then disappear. For now, Kreb and KillingTime seems to fit that bill. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Townie: thrawn kush Scum: KillingTime Kreb | ||
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