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Kenpachi
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VisceraEyes
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On August 23 2012 16:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Set trap, bait, trap sprung. You caught a wiggles. Now wiggles whats awesome is that I was never sure if you were just being lazy, or just red. Easiest way to do that is to set out some bait to see who jumps on me. Given the death of Chez and Toad already for your team, you knew you'd have to take out one of the more well known players fast or risk being slaughtered. Thankfully I knew how to draw out some scum. You see wiggles, by forcing you to justify your earlier post by giving you the "weaker" target to jump at I knew you'd target me. You know, just like your team opted to try and drop VE day 1 and failed? This time I put myself in the shoes of the person who would be attacked as I like the spotlight. "Look guys, I set a trap for scum! I will not explain what that trap is in any clear or logical manner, but trust me, it existed! It was clever and useful and since I said there was a trap, it means that I was just being a scummy bugger for my trap, and so I must really be town!" ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb58378/yugioh/images/c/cc/SolemnJudgmentSDLS-EN-C-1E.png) Also me and my team totally tried to kill VE off! That's why I made one post calling him out on his bullshit, went to bed, woke up, saw all the bullshit still going on in the thread, and instead of spending my day uselessly arguing went and did something else instead! It was the most effective scum push to lynch VE ever! Please note the complete lack of evidence or reasoning behind this claim, characteristic of BC's play this game. I mean, seriously, is that your retort? That you purposefully played like scum to get attacked? Now to start with your horrific case in which I will refute it, then toss the ball back in your scummy court. Hey, want to know why your post is defensive and WBG's really isn't? Hint: it's not based on fucking word-count. Also, 10 lines of text is not giant, I don't get where everyone got that idea from, nice rhetoric though.You start by saying that you only said "you believe one of my and bugs must be scum" You then say i am acting defensively, although I only barely mention you in passing, while the person who made a giant post to attack your play (which only appeared after you called two people out mind you) was ignored. Considering you so obviously cherry picked the case you would find easier to make it is obvious you would ignore the person who was obviously more "defensive". Anyone who has played with me before will recognize based on largess of posts and tone of posts on if im on the offensive or defensive. Nice try lying though. So, here's why you were "obviously" more defensive than WBG. First, WBG actually took the time to read and reflect upon what I wrote. He agreed with my analysis of how the voting happened. Then he pointed out that he disagreed with the assumption that one of the bandwagons were started by scum and questioned my motivations behind it. He didn't use terrible rhetoric meant to completely gloss over the post and try to misrepresent what was said. His post was discussional in nature. Yours was meant solely to discredit and attempt to undermine me. So, the intents of the posts revealed who was truly more defensive. WBG posted in opposition to my post, you posted in opposition to me, the poster. As for my reason on why I believe you are scum? I told people to look at bugs' post that he had already made on you. As you ignored that bit I will toss it in here for all to read. Refresh my memory, which game was this? You don't try to counter what I said in that scum were a driving force behind one of the bandwagons and likely started one. Instead you again try to misdirect into an attack against me by claiming that I did the same thing as scum. If you don't like that I think one of the bandwagons was started by scum, argue why they weren't. This kind of posting is why it's clear you're scum.Now his points on you are exactly why I believe you are scum. You see, you and I were on a mafia team once where you and I did exactly what bugs outlined in that post. Exactly to a fucking tee. You know you are caught, and you know I have already bagged another of your team and now you are running scared. Next we have you attempting to throw mud at me for wait, what? Day 1 early game posts? You know, when people were trolling and being faggots? Anyone reading would know those are my early reads based on how people are playing. If they had been solid reads backed up by more than a gut feeling you would have seen me build cases and push their lynch as I did dirkzor. You did notice I spent the majority of the day pushing one target right? Or are you opting to try and cover the fact that I have forced people into posting, pushed my best read, and even *gasp* put pressure on people for bad play. Anyone is free to look through my filter, then they can open and compare to yours. Well, besides the fact that many of those posts claiming people are scum continued well past early Day 1, and even into Night 1 and Day 2, you don't seem to understand very well how pressure works. You did nothing to pressure anyone into anything. Quoting a post and saying "You just claimed scum" does nothing to pressure that player. Hell, for most of those, no one had a fucking clue what you were going on about, which is evidenced by the following posts of confused people asking you to explain your incoherent accusations. As well, you're good enough a player to know that just pointing at someone and saying, "You're scum!", doesn't really do anything to them. You aren't calling them out on specifics of their play, you aren't pointing out for everyone the stupid stuff they're doing, and you sure as hell aren't making them afraid of the lynch, because there's nothing concrete to back up anything you're saying, so they're in no danger. If every mafia shat his pants when someone called them scum in one post, this game would be solved on Day 1. Next, as I already pointed out, all you did was tunnel Dirk, but do very little to actually try to kill him. You didn't try to swing the vote his way, you didn't try to rally support for killing him, and you didn't do anything to shift the momentum towards him. Just making posts at your target calling them scum isn't enough to get them lynched. Again, you're a good enough player to know this. It's why just making an analysis on a scum isn't enough to get them lynched. You have to campaign and convince people to vote for the person. You know this, so the fact you didn't do it speaks volumes about how little you actually cared about seeing Dirk dead. you have 13 posts as I am writing this (ignored your /in post) Post count is indicative of what? Shitty pointless spam? Splitting up posts instead of keeping them together? Activity? When does activity equal alignment? That you're even trying to use that as some kind of argument for why you're town and I'm scum shows that you're red. You've played more than enough games to know that post count isn't indicative of alignment. This kind of misdirected attack is again demonstrative of your anti-town posting.I have 41. I pushed my best read all day 1, I have called people out for being red. Yes I have called out many people based on random gut feelings or horrific play done by said player. Given that one of those gut reads was accurate and so far only 1 confirmed wrong I am doing fairly well. Who do you think is red wiggles? Me? Who else, lets see in all those 13 posts you You accuse myself and VE. In two game days, and all the content posted and given deaths of players and flips You have found two suspects. Yet you spend more time early on trying to link me to players like toad, make mention that you dislike my posting but rather than attempting to do anything about it you swap over to VE saying that you won't lynch grush until he answers your questions to verify his alignment basically. Yet hes back, hes been back for awhile. You know what you haven't done? What you said you were going to do. Once again, there's a difference between calling a player out on his bad play, and saying "lol u scum bro". As far as I can see, you barely called out anyone on their play, and the only time you even explained your numerous accusations is when other people pressed you to do so. Here's another piece of terrible fallacy from you. I don't need to catch the entire scum team at once. I don't need to make shitty lists of reads. I just need to be methodical and focus on one person at a time, because that's all I can kill at once. So now I'm starting with the deceit spewing head of the snake, you. This is also the reason I don't care about Grush right now. I've got bigger fish to fry. you also said this as your main argument to lynch VE Day 1 Note the bolded Parts Then go back and look at the section of bugs post above that I bolded. You directly are calling out two players for two bandwagons forming (no shit typically 1-2 people start analysis on someone that gets a vote rolling) However you specify the no strong leaders emerged while you yourself have done nothing til this point to help direct the town in any way. Thus you are putting onus on myself and bugs as you state one of us must be scum while leaving out the fact that you did absolutely nothing to stop the days actions. If you didn't agree or believed this while it was going on you as town would have put a stop to it rather than "summarizing the day" You also did exactly what you called VE out for as your primary reason to vote for him. Cute that you like inconsistencies. You claim that I am pushing misdirection off one post when you made one yourself doing the same (in regards to myself and bugs) you then do the exact same thing that you called out and voted to lynch someone for yet its ok for you to be hypocritical. I didn't know that you don't understand how to draw conclusions from observations. I said no strong leaders emerged. That's an observation, not a condemnation. Unlike 90% of players, I don't have a veteran fetish and need them to do everything in the game. So, the fact that no strong leaders emerged, if a fault of anyone, is a fault of all the town players in the game. But, that's also dismissing the fact that scum can be town leaders just the same. So, that was simply the initial observation from which I drew some results about how the scum were playing the game. It had nothing to do with the later point about you and WBG. I wasn't around long enough on Day 1 to have the thread presence to stop it, and when I was around slightly before the deadline, I really didn't care enough to point it out. I'd rather wait and come back later to see how people voted and if there was any kind of change from what I thought was happening. Next, you don't seem to understand what I called VE out on doing. I didn't say anyone else had to find the scum for me and that I'd just sheep along with their stupid ideas. As you can see, I'm not waiting for other people to find scum for me, I'm doing it myself. That's how I nailed you. Anyone can compare our filters. It is fairly obvious that I am around and as things happen I post on them. Be it lengthy or not is a moot point. Spotting someones scum tells/bad plays and calling them out don't require large post by post analysis, nor do they need indepth behavioural analysis when all you do is put heat on someone for said behaviour. Given that you are misrepresenting my posts, and have waited in the shadows to cherry pick while misrepresenting my posts shows how desperate your team is at this moment. Regardless you have outed yourself as scum and will die for it either by lynch or bullet. Its now merely up to the town. This is fun. "Be it lengthy or not is a moot point." Proceeds to compare filter length So full of inconsistencies. Now, like I've said, you haven't called out anyone. Calling someone scum and completely leaving them does fuck all to put pressure on them, but does do a lot to get idiots to think you're helping the town. Also, I never said you had to make lengthy analysis on everyone you comment on, you pulled that out of your scummy ass. It's a simple matter of writing anything in support of your crappy accusations. You don't put heat on someone for their behaviour, when you do nothing to show that you're trying to pressure them for their behaviour. Now, here's a fun thought experiment we can try. Let's say we have to be of different alignments. That is, either I'm town and you're scum, or I'm scum and you're town. Now, let's look at how much sense it makes to accuse you. If I'm scum and you're town, you say I'm desperate. But, if I was desperate, why would I accuse you? You've shown that you don't have enough influence or presence to lead a lynch as shown by your complete failure to kill Dirkzor on Day 1. As well, you accusing someone doesn't mean anything, because you've rarely backed it up with reasons, and in addition, with how many people you've accused, people are less likely to take you seriously because you're getting to a point where you've pointed out half of the people playing as scum. So, you're in no way a threat to me. There's no scum motivation to accuse you instead of someone who's actually dangerous to scum. Now, if I'm town and you're scum, my accusation makes a lot of sense. All of the noobs will be too scared to try to lynch you. Right now, you're not under pressure because no one has called you out on your bullshit. I see you as scum. So, it makes the most sense to get rid of the threat you pose to the town as early as possible. Otherwise, people will be content to just let you slide along in the game, until it got to a point where they might actually start listening to you and let you run the show a bit more. All these people, they just loooooooooove to sheep. So, you kill me, you kill WBG, you kill whoever else who isn't on your scum team and can exert any kind of influence. Then who's left to lead the flock? Why, BC of course! And from there it's an easy victory for you as you march along to the sound of bahs. There's the town motivation to accuse you. To kill you before you can get a grasp over all the impressionable players. Also I would like to draw everyones attention to how he analyzed me. He took an insane care to talk about my case on dirkzor as minutely as possible. Keeping in mind I have spent more time talking about that lynch of all my reads than any of the others (thus my most comfortable read). Yet he ignores my longer posts and instead concentrates on the posts that are designed to initiate dialogue or minor pressure people. Why would someone who is so sure he is correct on his read not attempt to discredit my dirk case or find flaws in those posts as to why I am red? Simple. If he was town doing a post by post method he would opt to find the faulty logic or the like from where I had most invested myself rather than random small posts. As such he is banking on people not actually re reading day 1, or even both our filters to figure out how full of shit he is. Everyone should at this point in time be lynching dirkzor or mrwiggles Both will bleed red. Here's a cool (old) idea: Post-by-post is shit Post-by-post sucks ass. It's a lot better to just go through a player in his entirety, and then identify trends in his play, inconsistencies, contradictions, see what overall strategy he is try to adopt, and determine his motivations. You know what? I don't even really care what you wrote about Dirkzor in your analysis. I don't agree with it, but that doesn't matter. Just because your analysis is bad or you're wrong doesn't mean that you're scum. Instead, it was much more illuminating to look at the tone and certainty with which you accused Dirk earlier, and contrast it to how you're acting now. Same thing with going through how you (didn't) push his lynch. I looked at your motivations and your attitude, because they say much more than what kind of (bad) logic you accused Dirk with. Also it's great how you keep lying through your teeth. Go back to my case. Notice how about half of it deals with the cases you made with a focus on the one on Dirkzor. Go figure. Here's another thing for everyone to look at. Read through BC's response to me. Do you notice that he's not actually responding to the points I made against him? He doesn't defend himself against the contradictions I pointed out, he doesn't explain how his shitty accusations actually pressure people or accomplish anything, he doesn't point out how he really did try to get Dirkzor lynched. Instead, he spends all of his time trying to discredit me. His entire response it built out of a series of ad hominems and he doesn't even bother trying to address the case I made against him. Instead he points out useless and irrelevant things to try to make himself look good and make me look worse. More than half of it isn't even about what's good for town or scummy, as evidenced by including things like post count or activity. BC's very style of argument reeks of being scum. 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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Because if people sheep him and I get lynched, then it will be WBG's fault that a town player flipped. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 23 2012 16:22 Kurumi wrote: Well, we have clash of titans here. Both suck. funniest post in the thread BC's reaction is indeed rather suspicious. I'm going to hold judgment for now as I need to reread carefully (in particular BC's past games as well) because A.) I think Mattchew is still a very strong lynch and B.) I'm supremely curious as to why BC is using my name to defend his opinions when I haven't actually agreed with him yet. On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR" That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. I think Wiggles is trying to say that BC is trying to frame my post as an attack on Wiggles. I wasn't attacking Wiggles, but for it to be construed as such means either BC isn't reading carefully (as town) or BC has an agenda. BC's not dumb so it's certainly very likely at this point that he's scum. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
![[image loading]](http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2007/109/5/8/Quilava_Flamethrower_by_Kureculari.jpg) The smell of burning quickly brought people's attention outside. Outside, the cutest puppy in the world was covered in scorch marks. Who could have done such a thing D: BloodyC0bbler has been incinerated. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/archive/3/3d/20090819232932!058Growlithe.png) You are Growlithe, a Fire type Pokemon. You have a brave and trustworthy nature, and you'll fearlessly stand up to bigger and stronger foes. Abilities CUTEPUPPY SNIFF: You are a cute puppy. I heard puppies are good at smelling things. During a night phase PM the hosts who you want to sniff. In the following Day Post the person who got sniffed's role will be revealed to everyone! (Only role is revealed, not alignment. Only usable once) | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
I guess a spam storm between BC / Wiggles was averted by his death which is a perk but I would of preferred it being a lynch so people would have had to pick sides with our vets | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 23 2012 20:52 Drazerk wrote: I struggle to see the reasoning behind that shot over the long list of lurkers and people like Grush / Kurumi etc I guess a spam storm between BC / Wiggles was averted by his death which is a perk but I would of preferred it being a lynch so people would have had to pick sides with our vets Why do you want to kill me still? Also there were two possibilities with BC : that he genuinely was mad at his role again and thus discouraged or he was underperforming scum. It was the first. Also his role was better than Oracle, yay! Now I am going to wait. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:41 Drazerk wrote: Also you know why I would want you to draw bullets... Yeah I guessed that. But fire. Anyway let me check if Chezinu wrote anything usefukt. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:46 Drazerk wrote: Well that confirmed it you really are butterfree No I am not. I am Bill Murray. Anyway Chez did nothing besides claim scum and share a laugh or two with bugs and wiggles about being scum together. Go figure. Eh with bc flipping town Wiggles' case results in a null. I do think Mattchew is a good lynch still. Hopeless is a great vig shot too. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I don't have much time today and I just want to put some thought about what have happened since I last posted. It might get a bit all over because I don't know when I'll get back to the thread so bear with me. While reading the whole Wiggles vs BC "battle" i initially thought BC came out looking worst (and thus Wiggles looking good). I also thought that both might still be town since I earlier had a townread on BC. About the hit on BC. Why haven't anyone claimed it? Is it the same as I think happened day1 with toad hitting VE? That it was actually scum who hit him while some thought he was scum. It would be the perfect way to hide the amount of KP used on town/scum side. Still pondering if it would be beneficial for us to press a claim on the BC hit. Talking about VE. I don't think he is scum anymore. The hit Toad performed on him d1 jsut doesn't add up as a bus. Such an early and very aggressive bus seems unlikely. + Show Spoiler [Jingle's case on Mattchew] + On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit. Speaking of not scum hunting... also, accusing someone of no reads when this is his most substantial post in the thread at the time is laughable. He wants VE to pick a fight, which is generally not good for town, and he's not sinking his teeth into anyone either. Oh. Tunneling the piss out of Drazerk, too. Whining about a vote on him, fits the trend of non-content posting. Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. This doesn't need much talking about. More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. Very early assertion of "definite town" on someone, which in this case would require information townies don't have. He claims it's based on other play, but I'd need confirmation of that from someone who knows it. Weak OMGUS finger-point at me that doesn't even make sense under the circumstances considering my "cop out" was to ask him why he did something that's generally scummy. Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum? Talking about Mattchew: Best post so far I thought I agree that Mattchew is scum (a bit less after how JH started his case) I'm quite sad to see WBG vote with no reason whatsover. Can you explain why you think he is scum? Same goes to Kurumi who just ninja voted him (although he did state he found matt scummy). | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:53 Dirkzor wrote: Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum? Talking about Mattchew: In context, it's rather obvious that my opening line in that case was for irony's sake. Read the whole thing, and/or the conversation directly prior, and see if you can suddenly figure that part out. Also you basically accuse me of stealing your case, which can be found... On August 22 2012 16:50 Dirkzor wrote: @BC. I understand that you think I am scum but i think you should take a step back and try to find another to focus on for a while. If you are town that is... if you are scum you are on the right track. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit. Your whole argument with my own vote is void. Or course I'm going to increase my own chance of survival by voting the "other guy". And yes my vote mattered. With 6v10 it only neede 2-3 people to vote change for me to be dead. Of course I'm around towards deadline when I'm in focus.. Had the discussion been heavier I had most likely not went to bed even though I need the sleep. But the discussion WAS dead so i went to bed. I've looked through filters and it feels like many people aren't really doing anything really. The worst however is Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently On August 22 2012 01:10 Mattchew wrote: I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less. However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone. He starts out by poking VE lightly. Not really committing to anything pulling back a bit when VE started posting more. The last quote he calls VE's post substantial when i really wasn't. The zephirdd case is, but the post quoted isn't but mattchew finds it as an excuse to pull back. He have a few filler posts that does absolutely nothing: 1 and 2. But the scum alert only goes of with these 2 posts: He puts his vote on me with no explanation or prior mention of me. Before this only Draz and VE have been mentioned as potential scum. Seems like he just figured VE wasn't scum anyway and then voted me. Shows he doesn't care one bit who actually died. Again he just follows and sheep VE without any reason what so ever. Again its seems like he just want someone dead without really thinking further then if the person is his red team mate. And thats basicly all he have done this entire game. There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I think you packed too many goals into one post. Trying to soft-defend your scum buddy you've already soft-bussed and make me look scummy all at once is a bit difficult, and it really seems to be the only reasoning for your posting. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote: I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: -Cut- Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. -Cut- More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. -Cut- Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
HE WAS A CUTE PUPPY U MONSTERS I also think that Jingles is town now, he is hunting scum :D ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
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Korea (South)2582 Posts
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