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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Someone here knows a little more than most of us
I'm both impressed and fearful of you hahahahahahaha
however I must say it seems really hard for someone to just hand over money to him like that
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Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real! 
You have no idea how good reading that made me feel just now, even though I don't know you in any way. High fucking five o/
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On July 19 2012 14:36 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
If you raise the money should you have control over it? Wouldn't you already have a clear and explicit plan as to what you're going to do with the money in order to be able to raise all that money?
Seems a bit confusing
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On July 19 2012 14:36 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
Well Umbra, the truth is--either you play the game, or the game plays you.
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Man, I can't wait for another update on Friday!
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Papua New Guinea1054 Posts
Well, you should've learned not to give your 12 months work to your collegues? And if it wasn't given by you, I'd guess you can sue them for violating your rights for intelectual property?
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Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
Like a BOSS! Whoot!
But I was going to ask how it got stolen, the idea, and if you were discussing with your colleague and he just made a quick move on it- even though you had acquired the funding- which is a big deal in the first place.
I can seriously say, you're lucky as hell to have an actually intelligent and thoughtful boss though, and the fact that your colleague is actually an idiot because it seems as though you guys are at the same level.
The key rule in internal politics is that, usually you should be higher ranked and control the lines of communication, so if you do a douche bag thing, the junior really can't do shit about it. But in reality, this guy was asking to be wacked in the head if thought you wouldn't say anything or didn't have the means to prove it otherwise, so he really is not just a piece of shit, but a dumb ass piece of shit.
But if this goes through, you are one lucky sonuvabitch, not cause you got payback right here and now, but that you learned the lesson of politics with very little cost to you. most of the time, learning the lesson early is invaluable, but I've had to wait years before I could extract my own power moves to get even within a company political structure. Of course there shouldn't be poltics, but there is, its a reality, and if you don't play the game or at least protect yourself, you're just letting yourself get screwed by the system and that is just as bad.
But LIKE A BOSS! The world is a good today ^^
Just a word of advice, when you go the meeting, just be very objective, don't get personal, but just state the facts and the fact that she's already brought it up, just let the snow ball roll on it's own, no need to over do it, just let the facts speak for itself!
GOGOGO!
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wow! thats good news this made me smile. take that fucker down!
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I cant help but think that this is a situation in which when everything is done (I.e equipment purchased and installed) you should beat the crap out of that guy if you think you can get away with it
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On July 18 2012 21:04 Mondieu wrote:;Put him under anesthethiz. Then procede to castrate him. He won't have the balls tosteal the project off you next time.
Here is some legit advice if I ever saw it.
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Hahaha some of the advice here is priceless.
GO UMBRA! Continue kicking ass ^^
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Holy. Shit.
That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me.
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Your name fits you, Mr. Shady.
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On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me.
I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better
^^
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On July 19 2012 14:55 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real! You have no idea how good reading that made me feel just now, even though I don't know you in any way. High fucking five o/
This. I already hate people (in general) and the OP was just infuriating. Knowing that finally, somewhere, someone just MIGHT get what they deserve put my mind to rest.
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On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^
Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k.
And yes, it's a murder mystery.
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
You've played too much Fallout. I know the wastelands are ruthless but you're not a vault dweller anymore!
Umbra, I don't know if it would help you but my family knows one of the head surgeons in a big clinic in Santiago. If it can ever help out in any way, just ask, you look like a cool guy and he's very close to us (but maybe you have for use for that, I'm just throwing that out there).
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Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions.
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On July 20 2012 09:19 Alacast wrote:
Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions.
#1 Rule I have learned is never assume your boss/supervisor is out for anything other than his own hide. Appealing to his/her better nature is never as guaranteed as getting their balls in a vise or dangling a carrot in front of his/her face.
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