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Hey man...
You seem like a really great person. You did so much for your community.
Remember you were doing a selfless act - not to get ahead on the game and get a residency spot.
If you were - well then survival of the fittest. But if you were doing it to help others, you should feel rewarded.
The greatest gift in the world is to be able to help with anonymity. Accept your reward when this project gets approved. Walk into work everyday knowing that everything is there because of you. Not because of a really immoral person.
You wouldn't be surprised by the expression - nice guys finish last. They do. But finishing last is best. Good people get further ahead than any bad person. It's true. Nobody sees it because bad guys finish first.
You're a good person. You helped people, and I hope it was for nothing in return. Do you know what that makes you?
It makes you one of the extreme minorities of people on this Earth who can call themselves good, and it's actually true. And because of you, many people will get better and pay what you did forward.
You can't see your reward as a physical thing, but you have actually changed the world; what you have done will grow exponentially. You will probably never see it, or hear about it, but you should recognize it yourself.
And that sir, will deflect any knife in the back.
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On July 20 2012 12:46 MrRicewife wrote:
Hey man...
You seem like a really great person. You did so much for your community.
Remember you were doing a selfless act - not to get ahead on the game and get a residency spot.
If you were - well then survival of the fittest. But if you were doing it to help others, you should feel rewarded.
The greatest gift in the world is to be able to help with anonymity. Accept your reward when this project gets approved. Walk into work everyday knowing that everything is there because of you. Not because of a really immoral person.
You wouldn't be surprised by the expression - nice guys finish last. They do. But finishing last is best. Good people get further ahead than any bad person. It's true. Nobody sees it because bad guys finish first.
You're a good person. You helped people, and I hope it was for nothing in return. Do you know what that makes you?
It makes you one of the extreme minorities of people on this Earth who can call themselves good, and it's actually true. And because of you, many people will get better and pay what you did forward.
You can't see your reward as a physical thing, but you have actually changed the world; what you have done will grow exponentially. You will probably never see it, or hear about it, but you should recognize it yourself.
And that sir, will deflect any knife in the back.
If you take that standpoint, even if he didn't get credit for his work, the hospital is worse off because they got something they didn't really need instead of a whole bunch of equipment that would benefit the doctors and the patients a lot more.
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Holy shit Shady Sands. Also his blog novel is...crazy. In a sort of awesome way. But still O_O
Also, fuck yeah. You're indeed very very lucky to have a good boss. Good to see your hospital is definitely in good hands. Hope the guy gets what he deserves, and keep us updated. I have choice words for this colleague of yours.
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mr. UmbraaeternuS,
You are due to receive Ten QUADRILLION TL.net points for your intents and for your work.
--and 10 infinity boss points from me for being an amazing person.
don't get down on yourself, or let others destroy your spirit. i find that all of us here are lucky that we're even alive as we are at the moment. please keep fighting for that.
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I am hoping we are getting an update on how that meeting on Friday morning went. 4 more hours  .
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On July 20 2012 08:22 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^ Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k. And yes, it's a murder mystery.
Ok I'll try it out haha (EDIT: no one replied to your blog post? :O )
Just so you know I still think your evil plan for Umbra here won't work at all because I don't expect people to toss around money just like that.
Umbra we're still wondering how could he steal it so easily... was it some negligence on your part or his ingenuity or what?
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So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago.
My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine"
(not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea).
So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills."
That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then.
And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me.
So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
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Grats =)
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Glad to see it worked out for you
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On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
Im glad it all worked out in the end
GG NO RE.
also- what a piece of shit to try and tie up hospital funds just so he can use the machine he wants but doesn't need.
also two- shady sands is a fucking scary person lol.
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Its great to hear that :D Glad that joke is getting a hearing
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Good think your colleague is in a hospital,
Cos he's gonna get burnt
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On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
I told you nice guys finish last.
Good job.
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On July 21 2012 09:40 MrRicewife wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change. I told you nice guys finish last. Good job.
did you read his story or not?
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On July 20 2012 09:28 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:19 Alacast wrote:
Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions. #1 Rule I have learned is never assume your boss/supervisor is out for anything other than his own hide. Appealing to his/her better nature is never as guaranteed as getting their balls in a vise or dangling a carrot in front of his/her face.
Looks like it worked out this time.
Also, congratulations OP! I'm glad you and your boss are able to have meaningful and productive conversations about what the hospital needs, unclouded by the flashy theatrics and underhanded scheming of selfish individuals. May you continue to work hard and produce fantastic results!
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FFS shady sand don't scare us like that... seriously wtf dude ?
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Group hug~
I'm glad everything came through in the end. You're lucky to have such an understanding and reasonable boss.
(little do we know that UmbraaeternuS is actually the "colleague" in the story and has been fooling us all)
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On July 22 2012 10:53 Zeke50100 wrote:
Group hug~
I'm glad everything came through in the end. You're lucky to have such an understanding and reasonable boss.
(little do we know that UmbraaeternuS is actually the "colleague" in the story and has been fooling us all)
**CHENG CHENG CHENG**
To be continued.....
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On July 21 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:22 Shady Sands wrote:On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^ Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k. And yes, it's a murder mystery. Ok I'll try it out haha (EDIT: no one replied to your blog post? :O ) Just so you know I still think your evil plan for Umbra here won't work at all because I don't expect people to toss around money just like that. Umbra we're still wondering how could he steal it so easily... was it some negligence on your part or his ingenuity or what?
You can be the first to comment on my story haha.
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Glad to hear the resolution UmbraaeternuS. Happy for you.
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