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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 18 2012 18:24 zalz wrote:It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work. If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved. The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said." It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there. Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior.
I guess take it to the boss with his own proposal and illustrate that his colleagues suggestion is suboptimal to his own, in addition to the back story. Maybe something can happen?
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If you let that kinda thing happen, do you think you deserve the kind of reward that comes with the project?
edit; don't take it as some kind of low blow. I'm just saying maybe you should be pro-active about it. If you can't demonstrate why your idea is better OR you can't demonstrate that the other colleague has taken your idea then really, I don't think you have any kind of position 
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On July 18 2012 18:40 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 18:24 zalz wrote:On July 18 2012 18:08 Osmoses wrote:
Definitely take it up with your boss. It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work. If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved. The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said." It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there. Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior. The universe does not have intrinsic fairness, I think you put a bit too much faith in the belief that he'll eventually get his come-uppance. If you want justice, you have to make it happen. Be the "wrong person" right now, shit like this must not fly. If the OP spent a year on this he should have no problems providing evidence for how he spent his time.
Ooh, I agree, he should fuck the guy over if he can.
But if he can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that his work was hijacked, then he shouldn't bring it up. From experience, bosses don't enjoy people trying to drag them into discussions that aren't clearly black/white.
If he can only claim that the guy stole his work then he shouldn't bring it up because it will only annoy the person in charge.
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Yeah, I think it depends on how badly he wants to pursue this. It sounds more like he's sort of resigned and pissed off by this idiot colleague at the moment. If he has worked on it for 12 years I feel like he should be able to make a solid case to his boss about this project. However, as mentioned before, he will need to have his evidence and arguments organized extremely well if he wants to win this case, as no boss wants to get bogged down in he-said-she-said.
Whatever you choose to do, have no regrets! It's definitely absolutely heart-breaking to have a colleague of yours just backstab you this way ;__;
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;Put him under anesthethiz. Then procede to castrate him. He won't have the balls tosteal the project off you next time.
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Ask your boss nicely if he can spare a minute and present some facts. That's what i did when someone backstabbed me and my project.
I had the same with a colleague when i wanted to buy 30 tft screens for my company. It was my project, i had 3 preferred models from 2 suppliers and even had our preferred supplier come in and present 2 of the models which we could test for a week. When finally i had a nice balance between satisfying everybody and price that manager asshole comes into my office telling me he just ordered the screens himself because there was this cheap offer coming via fax. Going on a rant that that's how it's done and i shouldn't invest so much time into stuff like this.
Turned out he misread the offer. His prices where without tax which made difference of around 3000 euro compared to mine in the end. Also the displays he ordered were shit compared to mine. Also our house supplier wasn't very happy...
Went to my boss presented some facts, 3 weeks later got another project of organising a fair appearance with a budget of 50k. Owned.
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Take it to the boss, particularly if your project is better than the "new" one. It's probably the best thing you can do.
Also, I'm pretty surprised about how surprised you are about this, I'm just about to finish med school and my classmates have been fucking each other over for years in order to get those residency points. They change their grades, they take credit for work they didn't do, they cheat on EVERY FUCKING test, they suck up to their teachers, etc. It's been happening from day 1.
I think I have good friends inside and luckily where I am right now people don't seem to be so extreme (mostly), but I can't be sure, there's really few people that can be truly trusted here.
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Karma will bite him back sooner or later.
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UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing...
Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail:
"After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project.
I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly.
I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office."
Shit just got real!
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Incredibly happy for you. I hope everything resolves in a productive matter. There really aren't enough motivated and caring people around.
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
NICE! You are the boss! =)
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You are a great person. I guess world has recognized that. Keep going...
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Calgary26003 Posts
Don't take that sitting down. Fight back.
Edit: Oh saw your update. Hooray!
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Congratulations!! I hope it goes well.
It should be a lesson though, one should never put his guard down, people do this kind of shit all the time.
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Glad your boss handled this in such a responsible way, and that you communicated your concerns.
Hopefully, this cruddy situation will all work out ok.
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gg son, suck it scumbag colleague!!
Hopefully things go well :D
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Man i thought i had it bad with my colleages, that sucks -_-
People are such assholes
EDIT: woop woop, nice one mate! Glad things got smoothed over
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
oh man, that's really brutal. I don't know what to say  *pats on shoulder*
EDIT: OH LOL READ THE UPDATE< BALLER AS HELL :DDDDD 
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Ethical board, wow. That sounds serious.
I hope justice is served
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Awesome (the update). Hope your colleague gets owned. Do update us on what happens to him :D
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