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So... Here I am again, TL.
This time with a rant about how scumbag can your own co-workers and colleagues be.
It's 3AM here in Chile. I'm on call on the ER. And I'm so fucking pissed...
I'm working (or should I say 'I WAS working'...) on a huge project involving the renovation and modernization of most of the medical equipment on our hospital's ER and internal medicine ward. Big words, let me tell you. I've been studying the ER and med ward needs for over 13 months and determined we needed to change some old equipment and in many cases, acquire new stuff. For example, our defib in the med ward is a very old, monophasic defib, which gives a single electrical discharge to make the heart start beating again, and that isn't really recommended nowadays for many reasons which would be extremely technical to go into, so we need a biphasic defib, which gives two, very short phased electrical discharges, being the current medical gold standard. In other cases, we need new continuous IV pumps, because our old one doesn't work anymore... and so on.
The project is huge. Seriously. Changing this stuff in a hospital is more complicated than you think, starting for the funding for it. It involves over $90.000 US dollars and believe me, here in Chile that is a SHITLOAD of money, and moving a few strings here and there and with some connections and knocking a LOT of doors, I got the money.
Such projects are a pretty big deal. Here in Chile, after graduating from med school, which is 7 years long, you can work as a general practicioner and most of us don't enter our residences right away; we rather go into what is called a "zone general practicioner" (MGZ as we call it here) mode, in which you are destined to wherever the public health system needs you (usually small hospitals far away from the big cities) to make medicine. That's what I do, I'm in this tiny, poor countryside hospital, taking patients mostly by knowledge, experience and, might I say, sick improv skills you pick up being an 'MGZ'.
As such, you gain 'points' for your future residence application by staying up to 6 years in a same location; the further you go, the more points you get; if you take responsability charges, such as being the hospital director, or chief ER MD, etc; and of course, the most points are awarded from big projects which improve your hospital in some way, such as the one I've been working on for over a year.
But, as I delivered the pre-project for approval, a colleague of mine took over it and made it his, completely changing the project just to buy an ultrasonograph which isn't really needed since we have one that's pretty new (2 years old).
I was like 'dude, wtf, that is NOT COOL... This here is MY WORK, taking it to the thrash and stealing the credit????
He presented the final project today. My name wasn't on the front page. The director hasn't said a single word, after all, the director's interests are that this project is approved to get new stuff for the hospital and doesn't give a flying fuck from who it is, cause the director gets some points, too, regardless of what the project is...
I feel ripped. After all I worked for, some douchebag stole my big idea, stole some crucial points for my future residence application, and most of all, makes me feel like I've wasted the last 12 months doing something for which my recognition has been ripped away from in a brutal way.
People say you never really get to know someone until they stabbed you in the back.
I feel like that today. I learned today that some colleagues can fuck you over just to win the race to a residency?
I always thought our first thought was supposed to be the patients wellfare, and not our own interests. I'm not selfish, I really are about my patients and leaving my workplace in a better way that I found it when I get to go to my residency in a few years, and I can't seem to understand how this asshole calls himself a doctor. What the fuck.
It hurts that I try to improve things at my workplace for the sake of our patients, to comply and go beyond the minimal board certification standards for the ER, and some asshole goes around presenting a project for a 'new toy' that we don't really need, because he wants to wield his med-penis and mad UltraSound skills?
... sigh.
 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Man, that really sucks 
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I should challenge him to a game of Starcraft II. After all, I'm a random masters player and my scumbag colleague is a silver league terran. Winner takes the project. LOL.
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*insert random scumbag meme image here*
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Do you think your post helps the OP in any way?
Indeed, the situations sucks. I hope you find a solution, in both ways, soon.
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On July 18 2012 16:39 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Do you think your post helps the OP in any way?
does yours?
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People are scum. Why not take it to HR or your boss? Explain to them what happened and stuff, try to see what you can make of it? What happened there is really dirty shit and I can't fathom why you can't make a fuss out of it. Especially if you have proof that you did the work. Explain to the higher tier and you explained us (in more politically correct terms).
That said I don't know how your environment works and stuff so I might be completely off target, but I really think that you can't just sit idly. I don't know, good luck fixing that shit up?
people are scum~ Calvin
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I can't help but wish you good luck and try to learn from the mistake. It really sucks from what you've described.
Edit: What is ER?
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Literally stab him in the back.
You're in a hospital, whats the worst that can happen?
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On July 18 2012 17:11 iGrok wrote:
Literally stab him in the back.
You're in a hospital, whats the worst that can happen?
20 to life.
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I feel Incognoto's idea would be the best, couldn't you go to the boss and present your case, saying that you've done XYZ and feel that A would be a much better investment for B and so on?
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That kinda sucks.
But I cant help wondering..... how exactly does a collegue "make it his" project? Surely you've got a boss/supervisor/anything you could talk to? Surely you could prove it actually is your work if it came down to a situation where you both stood next to each other both claiming to have done the same thing? Theres got to be some information missing in here....
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On July 18 2012 17:11 darkness wrote:
I can't help but wish you good luck and try to learn from the mistake. It really sucks from what you've described.
Edit: What is ER?
Emergency room
And welcome to the field of medicine to the OP, get used to it quick or die :/
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Definitely take it up with your boss.
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I truly enjoy your blogs, they have such gritty realism.
The insight into how things work in your country as opposed to mine are so interesting to see.
Thank you for writing and contributions and good luck in your work towards your residency
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On July 18 2012 16:39 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Do you think your post helps the OP in any way?
Indeed, the situations sucks. I hope you find a solution, in both ways, soon.
hmm, he IS the OP.. ^^
I can't imagine how awful that situation must have been (must be), but then it's also hard to understand how it could
come to this :/
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On July 18 2012 18:08 Osmoses wrote:
Definitely take it up with your boss.
It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work.
If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved.
The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said."
It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there.
Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior.
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On July 18 2012 18:24 zalz wrote:It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work. If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved. The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said." It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there. Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior.
The universe does not have intrinsic fairness, I think you put a bit too much faith in the belief that he'll eventually get his come-uppance. If you want justice, you have to make it happen. Be the "wrong person" right now, shit like this must not fly.
If the OP spent a year on this he should have no problems providing evidence for how he spent his time.
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On July 18 2012 17:25 Arcanefrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:11 iGrok wrote:
Literally stab him in the back.
You're in a hospital, whats the worst that can happen? 20 to life.
Nah. Stab him then save his life and he won't press charges 
I agree with most... Go to your boss or whoever have power over both you and him.
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On July 18 2012 16:39 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Do you think your post helps the OP in any way?
Indeed, the situations sucks. I hope you find a solution, in both ways, soon.
User was warned for this post
Bah, didn't notice it was OP's post, haha.
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Thats very sad, but thats life. Its happens all the time everywhere. You have to fight for recognition or others will steal Your work. I know it from personal experiences (
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 18 2012 18:24 zalz wrote:It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work. If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved. The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said." It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there. Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior.
I guess take it to the boss with his own proposal and illustrate that his colleagues suggestion is suboptimal to his own, in addition to the back story. Maybe something can happen?
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If you let that kinda thing happen, do you think you deserve the kind of reward that comes with the project?
edit; don't take it as some kind of low blow. I'm just saying maybe you should be pro-active about it. If you can't demonstrate why your idea is better OR you can't demonstrate that the other colleague has taken your idea then really, I don't think you have any kind of position 
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On July 18 2012 18:40 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 18:24 zalz wrote:On July 18 2012 18:08 Osmoses wrote:
Definitely take it up with your boss. It kind of depends on how obvious it is that most of it is his work. If he can show, without a shadow of a doubt, that he did like 90% of the work and the guy ran with the credit, most bosses would probaby get involved. The problem is if things aren't that clear. No boss is going to wade into some swamp of "he said/she said." It's a dick move, but it happens everywhere. Some people are just really fanatical in getting ahead and will gladly fuck over other people in their road there. Getting ahead isn't all about intelligence and talent, there is a great deal of office-politics involved. The only comfort is knowing that people that so obviously steal will sooner or later walk into the wrong person and suffer the proffesional fallout that results from stealing from a superior. The universe does not have intrinsic fairness, I think you put a bit too much faith in the belief that he'll eventually get his come-uppance. If you want justice, you have to make it happen. Be the "wrong person" right now, shit like this must not fly. If the OP spent a year on this he should have no problems providing evidence for how he spent his time.
Ooh, I agree, he should fuck the guy over if he can.
But if he can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that his work was hijacked, then he shouldn't bring it up. From experience, bosses don't enjoy people trying to drag them into discussions that aren't clearly black/white.
If he can only claim that the guy stole his work then he shouldn't bring it up because it will only annoy the person in charge.
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Yeah, I think it depends on how badly he wants to pursue this. It sounds more like he's sort of resigned and pissed off by this idiot colleague at the moment. If he has worked on it for 12 years I feel like he should be able to make a solid case to his boss about this project. However, as mentioned before, he will need to have his evidence and arguments organized extremely well if he wants to win this case, as no boss wants to get bogged down in he-said-she-said.
Whatever you choose to do, have no regrets! It's definitely absolutely heart-breaking to have a colleague of yours just backstab you this way ;__;
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;Put him under anesthethiz. Then procede to castrate him. He won't have the balls tosteal the project off you next time.
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Ask your boss nicely if he can spare a minute and present some facts. That's what i did when someone backstabbed me and my project.
I had the same with a colleague when i wanted to buy 30 tft screens for my company. It was my project, i had 3 preferred models from 2 suppliers and even had our preferred supplier come in and present 2 of the models which we could test for a week. When finally i had a nice balance between satisfying everybody and price that manager asshole comes into my office telling me he just ordered the screens himself because there was this cheap offer coming via fax. Going on a rant that that's how it's done and i shouldn't invest so much time into stuff like this.
Turned out he misread the offer. His prices where without tax which made difference of around 3000 euro compared to mine in the end. Also the displays he ordered were shit compared to mine. Also our house supplier wasn't very happy...
Went to my boss presented some facts, 3 weeks later got another project of organising a fair appearance with a budget of 50k. Owned.
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Take it to the boss, particularly if your project is better than the "new" one. It's probably the best thing you can do.
Also, I'm pretty surprised about how surprised you are about this, I'm just about to finish med school and my classmates have been fucking each other over for years in order to get those residency points. They change their grades, they take credit for work they didn't do, they cheat on EVERY FUCKING test, they suck up to their teachers, etc. It's been happening from day 1.
I think I have good friends inside and luckily where I am right now people don't seem to be so extreme (mostly), but I can't be sure, there's really few people that can be truly trusted here.
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Karma will bite him back sooner or later.
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UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing...
Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail:
"After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project.
I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly.
I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office."
Shit just got real!
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Incredibly happy for you. I hope everything resolves in a productive matter. There really aren't enough motivated and caring people around.
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
NICE! You are the boss! =)
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You are a great person. I guess world has recognized that. Keep going...
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Calgary25977 Posts
Don't take that sitting down. Fight back.
Edit: Oh saw your update. Hooray!
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Congratulations!! I hope it goes well.
It should be a lesson though, one should never put his guard down, people do this kind of shit all the time.
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Glad your boss handled this in such a responsible way, and that you communicated your concerns.
Hopefully, this cruddy situation will all work out ok.
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gg son, suck it scumbag colleague!!
Hopefully things go well :D
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Man i thought i had it bad with my colleages, that sucks -_-
People are such assholes
EDIT: woop woop, nice one mate! Glad things got smoothed over
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
oh man, that's really brutal. I don't know what to say *pats on shoulder*
EDIT: OH LOL READ THE UPDATE< BALLER AS HELL :DDDDD 
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Ethical board, wow. That sounds serious.
I hope justice is served
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Awesome (the update). Hope your colleague gets owned. Do update us on what happens to him :D
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On July 19 2012 02:03 VenomBRA wrote:
Ethical board, wow. That sounds serious.
Well, stealing something which your colleague has been working on for a year actually IS kinda serious ...
Anyway, this story gives me a bad feeling about graduating soon lol
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If everything happened according to the OP, I'm glad the right things are being done. Congratulations~
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that made me really angry
you got to fight back
QUE SE JODA
if you don't mind, I'm curious as to how he could just steal your project just like that
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I hope everything works out for you!
I recently went through a somewhat similar experience, and I know how much it stings to have someone else take credit for your work, and still fuck it up in the process.
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Man people suck sometimes, did he spend the money on stuff you guys needed at least? People really suck sometimes :S
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Nice!
On July 19 2012 02:03 VenomBRA wrote:
Ethical board, wow. That sounds serious.
also whats an Ethical board? lol
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Wow, you turned it around amazingly. I feel you man, and I really hope that asshole gets what he deserves.
Good luck!
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
Karma.
HIGH FIVE.
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I don't know what it is, but lot of stories that get posted on TL seem to end on good note eventually. You can bet I'll be blogging any real-life disasters here should one happen to strike me.
(okay I suspect it is selection bias but let me have my moment)
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So glad it worked out for you man!
And so glad that it worked out for the hospital too! (since you know, modernization > one ultrasound machine) Sounds like you are trying to do good things in medicine. Keep it up!
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Germany25657 Posts
hopefully your colleague gets his ass fired or something.
Justice is done! :D
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On July 19 2012 04:04 LazyFailKid wrote:Nice! Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 02:03 VenomBRA wrote:
Ethical board, wow. That sounds serious. also whats an Ethical board? lol
Ethics boards generally oversee/review actions to see if they comply with organizational ethical standards. Depending on the exact situation they can frequently place sanctions of some sort against individuals they find to have committed unethical acts. For example, a ethics board for a state Bar Association could revoke a lawyer's license to practice law (or suspend it, or fine them) for engaging in unethical practices.
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I wish you the best of luck. Fuck these kinds of people man :/
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i don't know how things work in Chile, but that sounds like theft.
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Also, if all else fails (after your update), wait 10 years then burn down his house.
No one expects that shit.
+ Show Spoiler +Yes I'm just kidding. But seriously though, no one.
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Hey hey congrats. I hope things go as well as that email suggests it might. Love seeing times where there's actually justice in the world :D
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Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
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Nice work. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Wow, that really sucks man. I know you had good intentions with your plan, and it really sucks that everything you worked for got corrupted for selfish reasons. If I could offer any silver lining here, it's that you are now wiser and know to watch your back next time. ^^;
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This is how a good Law and Order episode starts.
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Someone here knows a little more than most of us
I'm both impressed and fearful of you hahahahahahaha
however I must say it seems really hard for someone to just hand over money to him like that
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Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
You have no idea how good reading that made me feel just now, even though I don't know you in any way. High fucking five o/
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On July 19 2012 14:36 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
If you raise the money should you have control over it? Wouldn't you already have a clear and explicit plan as to what you're going to do with the money in order to be able to raise all that money?
Seems a bit confusing
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On July 19 2012 14:36 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Funding went to a special item on the hospital's budget, destined to purchasing new equipment, improving existing stuff and other expenses regarding yearly projects. Hence, this asshole ripped my project off and stole the idea of getting something new with funding I rose for a specific project.
And Shady Sands, you scare me, man.
I'm a pretty damn machiavellical dude myself, but getting even and revenging in such a way isn't a fair thing and would come back to haunt me. I'm not that kind of guy. Think of me as your average Good Guy Greg, with a nasty temper and tendency to be sarcastic most of my day.
Well Umbra, the truth is--either you play the game, or the game plays you.
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Man, I can't wait for another update on Friday!
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Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
Well, you should've learned not to give your 12 months work to your collegues? And if it wasn't given by you, I'd guess you can sue them for violating your rights for intelectual property?
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On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real!
Like a BOSS! Whoot!
But I was going to ask how it got stolen, the idea, and if you were discussing with your colleague and he just made a quick move on it- even though you had acquired the funding- which is a big deal in the first place.
I can seriously say, you're lucky as hell to have an actually intelligent and thoughtful boss though, and the fact that your colleague is actually an idiot because it seems as though you guys are at the same level.
The key rule in internal politics is that, usually you should be higher ranked and control the lines of communication, so if you do a douche bag thing, the junior really can't do shit about it. But in reality, this guy was asking to be wacked in the head if thought you wouldn't say anything or didn't have the means to prove it otherwise, so he really is not just a piece of shit, but a dumb ass piece of shit.
But if this goes through, you are one lucky sonuvabitch, not cause you got payback right here and now, but that you learned the lesson of politics with very little cost to you. most of the time, learning the lesson early is invaluable, but I've had to wait years before I could extract my own power moves to get even within a company political structure. Of course there shouldn't be poltics, but there is, its a reality, and if you don't play the game or at least protect yourself, you're just letting yourself get screwed by the system and that is just as bad.
But LIKE A BOSS! The world is a good today ^^
Just a word of advice, when you go the meeting, just be very objective, don't get personal, but just state the facts and the fact that she's already brought it up, just let the snow ball roll on it's own, no need to over do it, just let the facts speak for itself!
GOGOGO!
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wow! thats good news this made me smile. take that fucker down!
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I cant help but think that this is a situation in which when everything is done (I.e equipment purchased and installed) you should beat the crap out of that guy if you think you can get away with it
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On July 18 2012 21:04 Mondieu wrote:;Put him under anesthethiz. Then procede to castrate him. He won't have the balls tosteal the project off you next time.
Here is some legit advice if I ever saw it.
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Hahaha some of the advice here is priceless.
GO UMBRA! Continue kicking ass ^^
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Holy. Shit.
That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me.
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
Your name fits you, Mr. Shady.
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On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me.
I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better
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On July 19 2012 14:55 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 00:08 UmbraaeternuS wrote:UPDATE
I neglected to mention in my rant that I had written a memo/report to my boss regarding the utility of the project I was writing (handling the pre-project she never saw, because it was discussed with my colleagues first, being in that instance when this bastard stole my idea) about 2 days ago, not recieving any reply whatsoever. She's usually very busy (she's running a fucking hospital after all) so she couldn't spare a minute to talk to me today. Being so pissed made me lose track of this oh, so very important thing... Anyway, she replied 30 minutes ago with an e-mail: "After reading both proposals I seriously believe yours adjusts better to what we're looking for in terms of modernization of our medical equipment. I will ask you to get the pricings for each article and to send me an estimate budget for everything, and since you acquired the funding, I will put you in charge of this project. I am also very concerned regarding your claims of your project and funding being utilized by your colleague without your knowledge and without mine. This happened because you took a long time in telling me about this, maybe because you wanted to get everything done and present the finished thing; still, it is inexcusable for a colleague to do such a thing and we will pass this to the ethical board promptly. I would like to discuss all of this with you in private later this week. Could you spare an hour this friday morning? Lock your agenda from 11:00 to 12:00 and come to my office." Shit just got real! You have no idea how good reading that made me feel just now, even though I don't know you in any way. High fucking five o/
This. I already hate people (in general) and the OP was just infuriating. Knowing that finally, somewhere, someone just MIGHT get what they deserve put my mind to rest.
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On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^
Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k.
And yes, it's a murder mystery.
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On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even.
You've played too much Fallout. I know the wastelands are ruthless but you're not a vault dweller anymore!
Umbra, I don't know if it would help you but my family knows one of the head surgeons in a big clinic in Santiago. If it can ever help out in any way, just ask, you look like a cool guy and he's very close to us (but maybe you have for use for that, I'm just throwing that out there).
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Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions.
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On July 20 2012 09:19 Alacast wrote:
Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions.
#1 Rule I have learned is never assume your boss/supervisor is out for anything other than his own hide. Appealing to his/her better nature is never as guaranteed as getting their balls in a vise or dangling a carrot in front of his/her face.
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Hey man...
You seem like a really great person. You did so much for your community.
Remember you were doing a selfless act - not to get ahead on the game and get a residency spot.
If you were - well then survival of the fittest. But if you were doing it to help others, you should feel rewarded.
The greatest gift in the world is to be able to help with anonymity. Accept your reward when this project gets approved. Walk into work everyday knowing that everything is there because of you. Not because of a really immoral person.
You wouldn't be surprised by the expression - nice guys finish last. They do. But finishing last is best. Good people get further ahead than any bad person. It's true. Nobody sees it because bad guys finish first.
You're a good person. You helped people, and I hope it was for nothing in return. Do you know what that makes you?
It makes you one of the extreme minorities of people on this Earth who can call themselves good, and it's actually true. And because of you, many people will get better and pay what you did forward.
You can't see your reward as a physical thing, but you have actually changed the world; what you have done will grow exponentially. You will probably never see it, or hear about it, but you should recognize it yourself.
And that sir, will deflect any knife in the back.
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On July 20 2012 12:46 MrRicewife wrote:
Hey man...
You seem like a really great person. You did so much for your community.
Remember you were doing a selfless act - not to get ahead on the game and get a residency spot.
If you were - well then survival of the fittest. But if you were doing it to help others, you should feel rewarded.
The greatest gift in the world is to be able to help with anonymity. Accept your reward when this project gets approved. Walk into work everyday knowing that everything is there because of you. Not because of a really immoral person.
You wouldn't be surprised by the expression - nice guys finish last. They do. But finishing last is best. Good people get further ahead than any bad person. It's true. Nobody sees it because bad guys finish first.
You're a good person. You helped people, and I hope it was for nothing in return. Do you know what that makes you?
It makes you one of the extreme minorities of people on this Earth who can call themselves good, and it's actually true. And because of you, many people will get better and pay what you did forward.
You can't see your reward as a physical thing, but you have actually changed the world; what you have done will grow exponentially. You will probably never see it, or hear about it, but you should recognize it yourself.
And that sir, will deflect any knife in the back.
If you take that standpoint, even if he didn't get credit for his work, the hospital is worse off because they got something they didn't really need instead of a whole bunch of equipment that would benefit the doctors and the patients a lot more.
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Holy shit Shady Sands. Also his blog novel is...crazy. In a sort of awesome way. But still O_O
Also, fuck yeah. You're indeed very very lucky to have a good boss. Good to see your hospital is definitely in good hands. Hope the guy gets what he deserves, and keep us updated. I have choice words for this colleague of yours.
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mr. UmbraaeternuS,
You are due to receive Ten QUADRILLION TL.net points for your intents and for your work.
--and 10 infinity boss points from me for being an amazing person.
don't get down on yourself, or let others destroy your spirit. i find that all of us here are lucky that we're even alive as we are at the moment. please keep fighting for that.
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I am hoping we are getting an update on how that meeting on Friday morning went. 4 more hours .
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On July 20 2012 08:22 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^ Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k. And yes, it's a murder mystery.
Ok I'll try it out haha (EDIT: no one replied to your blog post? :O )
Just so you know I still think your evil plan for Umbra here won't work at all because I don't expect people to toss around money just like that.
Umbra we're still wondering how could he steal it so easily... was it some negligence on your part or his ingenuity or what?
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So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago.
My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine"
(not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea).
So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills."
That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then.
And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me.
So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
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Grats =)
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Glad to see it worked out for you
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On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
Im glad it all worked out in the end
GG NO RE.
also- what a piece of shit to try and tie up hospital funds just so he can use the machine he wants but doesn't need.
also two- shady sands is a fucking scary person lol.
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Its great to hear that :D Glad that joke is getting a hearing
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Good think your colleague is in a hospital,
Cos he's gonna get burnt
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On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change.
I told you nice guys finish last.
Good job.
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On July 21 2012 09:40 MrRicewife wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:51 UmbraaeternuS wrote:So... I got out of the meeting like 20 minutes ago. My boss asked me about the details of my project. For her, it was clear my colleague kind of "beat me to the goal" because since the project needs the approval of the medical staff, I had to run it through them, so he saw the project, saw there was funding and thought of purchasing the US apparatus, presenting a project before I presented mine, and stating in his project (which I read in the meeting I just had) that "given the fact the hospital is going to be reloccated and modernized in 5 years and we *might* get bugdet early next year to change things like the crash carts, ambu bags, the defibs, etc, etc, there is not a real need for change. Instead, I opted to modernize our US eqquipment since there is rarely funding for such a thing and we have the oportunity to purchase a top-notch machine" (not exactly THOSE words, but that was the idea). So my boss says "Look, I know you. You are an obsessive SOB and as always, you wanted to get everything down to the last detail. In that process, your colleague took your idea, tried to discredit it and presented a project that, at first glance, seemed attractive. But when I saw yours, it totally makes more sense. We can benefit a lot more modernizing the things we need, even if we get budget next year, which we can spend in other stuff... But your idea of modernization is more urgent than getting a new US toy for him to play with and practice his skills." That's when I found out my colleague had done a diploma in ultrasonography and he was supposed to be using the current US equipment but he dislikes it and so, he doesn't use it. So he has no way to justify the investment made on him by the health dept. giving him the chance to take that diploma and perform the exam on the patients we need. It all made sense then. And also, for hiding information and maliciously trying to throw down a project for which funding was specifically risen, he's going to get a hearing on the ethical board. I don't expect anything to happen about it, he's just gonna get reprimended and that's gonna be it, but it's good enough for me. So my project is a go. I'm just happy things went OK for a change. I told you nice guys finish last. Good job.
did you read his story or not?
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On July 20 2012 09:28 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:19 Alacast wrote:
Call a meeting with your boss and this guy. Quickly and simply tell your boss the work you put into your side of the project and convince him of the worth of your proposal including how much of a waste of money your colleague's alternate plan is. Even if it's too late to make a difference now, proving that this other guy is a fucking dick gets you mad kudos and respect from your boss (at least if he actually cares about providing care for the people in the hospital.
People will often fuck you over for their own benefit, but any reasonable and intelligent supervisor/sponsor/administrator will recognize the person's fault and, at least in the future, have more information with which to make better decisions. #1 Rule I have learned is never assume your boss/supervisor is out for anything other than his own hide. Appealing to his/her better nature is never as guaranteed as getting their balls in a vise or dangling a carrot in front of his/her face.
Looks like it worked out this time.
Also, congratulations OP! I'm glad you and your boss are able to have meaningful and productive conversations about what the hospital needs, unclouded by the flashy theatrics and underhanded scheming of selfish individuals. May you continue to work hard and produce fantastic results!
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FFS shady sand don't scare us like that... seriously wtf dude ?
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Group hug~
I'm glad everything came through in the end. You're lucky to have such an understanding and reasonable boss.
(little do we know that UmbraaeternuS is actually the "colleague" in the story and has been fooling us all)
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On July 22 2012 10:53 Zeke50100 wrote:
Group hug~
I'm glad everything came through in the end. You're lucky to have such an understanding and reasonable boss.
(little do we know that UmbraaeternuS is actually the "colleague" in the story and has been fooling us all)
**CHENG CHENG CHENG**
To be continued.....
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On July 21 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:22 Shady Sands wrote:On July 20 2012 04:12 JieXian wrote:On July 20 2012 01:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On July 19 2012 10:03 Shady Sands wrote:
Ethical board is kind of barking up the wrong tree here.
Whining about it to your boss won't solve the problem because your boss doesn't have an incentive actually get involved. The ethics board is far too slow of a mechanism--by the time they get involved your friend will have accumulated the points, and what's more it, won't help you either--the best that could happen is that the entire thing gets delayed for a year.
Time to take matters into your own hands.
The ideal solution? If it's $90,000, and that's considered a lot of money in Chile, and your colleague already has shown that he lacks a moral backbone, then half the work is almost done for you.
Just entrap him in a kickback scandal for buying the new machines that he's proposed. The sonomonographs or whatever machine you talked about--they were already new, right? So to a neutral observer, it appears that the machines are unnecessary, and that maybe your friend has some ulterior reasons for pushing to buy them. So you just make it so that when the machines are ordered from the factory, you tell the factory owner or salesperson about how poor your friend is. Tell them that your friend needs some cash because of a gambling problem or sick relative or demanding girlfriend or whatever. Make it seem like your friend is too proud to ask for the cash himself but would appreciate getting it as a gift anyhow. Just mention all this in passing, say, over a casual coffee or lunch, and then wait.
Once the transaction is made, get evidence of the kickback. Just a simple photograph, maybe a forged invoice, or something. Then approach the director with that evidence, and say that you'll go to the ethics board with *that* complaint as opposed to a simple case of office politics. Now your director *has* to get involved, because if a kickback scandal happens it's his ass on the line, and given the circumstantial evidence already listed above (unnecessary purchase, large sums of money, etc.) then the ethics board will probably find him guilty. Offer your director an easy way out of the situation: fire your friend, put you in charge of the project, and the evidence goes away.
Now your friend is the one completely screwed--and the best thing is, he will have no idea that it was you who did the screwing, so he won't even know where to look for revenge, first, either. In fact, the best way to cap this off would be to take him out for drinks the final night, and sympathize with him about the raw deal he got, and tell him how you're always eager to repay his friendship and kindness.
Don't get mad. Get even. Holy. Shit. That sounds like something straight out of the movies. You sir, impress me. I'd steal his plot for a movie or story book but I know better ^^ Heh, actually if you're looking for a decent plot, read the novel I published in my blog. Its 50,000 words right now and should be done before 70k. And yes, it's a murder mystery. Ok I'll try it out haha (EDIT: no one replied to your blog post? :O ) Just so you know I still think your evil plan for Umbra here won't work at all because I don't expect people to toss around money just like that. Umbra we're still wondering how could he steal it so easily... was it some negligence on your part or his ingenuity or what?
You can be the first to comment on my story haha.
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Glad to hear the resolution UmbraaeternuS. Happy for you.
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Poison the fucker with ricin.
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Just remember revenge is a dish best served cold, have patience. Try to remember your main incentive was to help people and make sure the equipment to save lives was available. Whenever you get mad or frustrated think of the innocent lives you have made better, and the lives you have saved. Some people are spineless and scum, but that doesn't change the fact that you've worked very hard and the reward for your work isn't your boss's approval, it's peoples lives.
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