EPTGrape retires, forms LoL team with ex-KHAN Players - Page 10
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:23 Valikyr wrote: Could someone tell me whats' the draw in LoL, what's hard about the game? What do I have to practice for hours every day to master? In especially bw but also SC2 I could practice as single little aspect for days on end just to get it. What does LoL has that is hard? When I watch LoL it's like "I could do that with a day of practice, get the fuck out of here casual shit". Well people now days prefer simple games easy to jump in and play it straight away . Gone are the days people actually play game because it's challenging in every aspect of the game . Sc2,Dota and Lol popularity actually proves these theory. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:23 Valikyr wrote: Could someone tell me whats' the draw in LoL, what's hard about the game? What do I have to practice for hours every day to master? In especially bw but also SC2 I could practice as single little aspect for days on end just to get it. What does LoL has that is hard? When I watch LoL it's like "I could do that with a day of practice, get the fuck out of here casual shit". LoL is a teamwork game. With that in mind, you can't just be like "Ima gonna use the next 12 hours practicing this game." You need people with enough competency to join you. Actually 1 vs 1 game is much more simplistic to control the flow because you don't require that much of co-ordinations and is just based on pure efforts. Team based game needs to have synergic interactions and thus just the same time to practice. | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:23 Valikyr wrote: Could someone tell me whats' the draw in LoL, what's hard about the game? What do I have to practice for hours every day to master? In especially bw but also SC2 I could practice a single little aspect for days on end just to get a grasp about what it's about. What does LoL has that is hard? When I watch LoL it's like "I could do that with a day of practice, get the fuck out of here casual shit". Because it's not about you. It doesn't matter if you can master it in one day. It's a team game. The team has to know how to work together, how to coordinate, how to fulfill team objectives, how to position yourself around your team and the opponents, who to focus, who to defend, etc. And even if the game itself is "easy", the other players are also playing the same easy game. But guess what, you're not playing vs the game. You're playing against other people. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:23 Valikyr wrote: Could someone tell me whats' the draw in LoL, what's hard about the game? What do I have to practice for hours every day to master? In especially bw but also SC2 I could practice a single little aspect for days on end just to get a grasp about what it's about. What does LoL has that is hard? When I watch LoL it's like "I could do that with a day of practice, get the fuck out of here casual shit". The game is less about practicing one thing over and over again (unless you play AD carry, where mechanics are very important), but more about acquiring knowledge and putting that knowledge into use. For example, opponent gets item A. Do you get item B or item C to counter it? Item B is strong counter for the next 10 minutes, but weaker after that. Item C is strong vs your specific opponent, but leaves you worse vs the rest of the enemy team. Most people prefer games that are mechanically simple, but have enough strategic depth to allow you to win by out-thinking your opponent. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:57 Valikyr wrote: Yea sounds like shit :D, not gonna try. But thanks for the answers. Sad that amazing gamers turns to something that only requires team coordination. Actually until you reach an advanced level, coordination isn't even as important as knowledge. A team can have the best coordination but if they pick the wrong heroes, use the wrong strategies, and buy all the wrong items, they will lose to a team of that's being played by monkeys. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
and after being competitive in a 1v1 game for so long maybe a team game would be a bice change | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:57 Valikyr wrote: Yea sounds like shit :D, not gonna try. But thanks for the answers. Sad that amazing gamers turns to something that only requires team coordination. Pretty ignorant answer. People who say that hours of training in this game doesn't translate into skill just need to look at the Korean/SEA/China scene the top teams over there (MiG, TPA, and .WE) are crushing the competition that used to be on the same level as them. The reason for this is that all of those teams are now working on 12 and in the Taipei Assassins case 15 hour schedules. To say that practice does not carry over in this game, shows how oblivious you are to the scene. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:23 Valikyr wrote: Could someone tell me whats' the draw in LoL, what's hard about the game? What do I have to practice for hours every day to master? In especially bw but also SC2 I could practice a single little aspect for days on end just to get a grasp about what it's about. What does LoL has that is hard? When I watch LoL it's like "I could do that with a day of practice, get the fuck out of here casual shit". people saying this is the same as when BW players looked at sc2 and said "lol easy I could do that in 5 minutes." It turns out that sc2 does take some skill to play (more than BW in my opinion? No, but it for sure takes a lot of skill to play like MC). I can guarantee that you in no way would be able to play at the same level as an LoL pro with only a day's practice. Just because you don't like the game doesn't mean it isn't difficult. Please note I'm not debating which game is harder, sc or LoL, I'm just saying that when casual players of either game say "other game is so easy I could play it at top level with a little practice" they're wrong. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Also, LoL in Korea is growing huge. I'm pretty sure just a few months ago it was the #1 played game in PC Bangs which is pretty significant. I think lots of people who are SC2 fans are just disappointed (and rightfully so) that LoL is most likely going to replace Brood War as the next big eSport. Being sad or disappointed that it seems to be the game replacing BW instead of SC2 is fine. But randomly bashing it and saying it's "casual shit" is just stupid. Every top team says that tournaments are pretty much decided by who practices the most. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On June 16 2012 11:59 overt wrote: Competitive LoL is bigger than any eSport save Brood War has ever been. No one knows how long it's gonna last but I think anyone who's reasonable would say the competitive scene has at least another five years or more. Also, LoL in Korea is growing huge. I'm pretty sure just a few months ago it was the #1 played game in PC Bangs which is pretty significant. I think lots of people who are SC2 fans are just disappointed (and rightfully so) that LoL is most likely going to replace Brood War as the next big eSport. Being sad or disappointed that it seems to be the game replacing BW instead of SC2 is fine. But randomly bashing it and saying it's "casual shit" is just stupid. Every top team says that tournaments are pretty much decided by who practices the most. How can SC2 fans be "rightly so" in their disapointment? Games don't follow a hereditary sucession, and you aren't forced to like or dislike any game. As for the question at hand. Ehh, good luck. I just hope whatever choices these guys all end up making are sustainable for a long time. Be it LoL, SC2, or some other profession | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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nicoc77
Argentina57 Posts
Yeah, sorry for my poor english, I hope you guys understand. | ||
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ETisME
12194 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:26 Sawamura wrote: Well people now days prefer simple games easy to jump in and play it straight away . Gone are the days people actually play game because it's challenging in every aspect of the game . Sc2,Dota and Lol popularity actually proves these theory. not really. Not as challenging in mechanic side (mind you, the mechanic challenges are formed by a flawed/old design of the game) doesn't mean the game is not as challenging. It requires a different kind of skill set in comparison. Dota is not an easy game to just jump in, the learning curve is actually really high, especially how punishing the game is. hero pick, items choice, all 90+ heroes, jungling, ganking, laning, last hitting and positioning, warding etc. Notice how the kespa invitational pros' interview, they always state SC2 is very different to BW, not easier and the game feels a lot quicker. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On June 16 2012 10:57 Valikyr wrote: I use to be like you until i started playing it. Team coordination is extremely hard, but that is not the only thing, every hero is played differently, sometimes you gotta know when to sacriface and all that a lot of decision making. Also synergy of items as well how well it fits on your hero and team. Strategy for picking heroes etc. It's actually quite deep and does require practice thats why the chinese dominated for so long.Yea sounds like shit :D, not gonna try. But thanks for the answers. Sad that amazing gamers turns to something that only requires team coordination. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 16 2012 12:54 ETisME wrote: not really. Not as challenging in mechanic side (mind you, the mechanic challenges are formed by a flawed/old design of the game) doesn't mean the game is not as challenging. It requires a different kind of skill set in comparison. Dota is not an easy game to just jump in, the learning curve is actually really high, especially how punishing the game is. hero pick, items choice, all 90+ heroes, jungling, ganking, laning, last hitting and positioning, warding etc. Notice how the kespa invitational pros' interview, they always state SC2 is very different to BW, not easier and the game feels a lot quicker. well even if you can't jump in and start owning you can play with your friends for each gaming session . Much more fun if your friends can enjoy with you and most of them if i ask them "play starcraft ???? gogogo ??? they will give me "No!" look and I have to go play dota or lol ... | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
The best players on the KeSPA teams became progamers out of sheer passion for playing Brood War. They love playing the game. They don't want to trade playing 10+ hours everyday because its what they wanted to do. Once that fun is taken out, they will lose focus extremely fast. KeSPA essentially sucked all the fun out by dumping an entirely new game and basically said "here you are required to know how to play this now" and most of them did so unwillingly. | ||
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