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On June 16 2012 07:40 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 07:27 arb wrote:On June 16 2012 07:23 Micket wrote:
The thing unsustainable about LoL is that the fans and viewers are the players. Every game has a time limit and every one moves onto new games. WoW arena suffered the same fate. Once people get bored of LoL and move to other genres or other MOBAs, where is the audience going to be?
Do you think LoL could have 8 people come up on stage say one sentence and make the crowd go wild? It's hard to say. The magnitude of crowd hype and volume that arose, when Flash walked on stage is incomparable in all other esports. TSM players could hardly be called esports celebrities, because the fan base is there to watch LoL.
Sc2 player base is shrinking drastically every season, but the fan base is growing and growing and growing. I wish you had watched MLG I believe it was last week, the fans shouting for TSM sounded as loud as any SC2 event i've heard. After they won yes, it is natural to cheer for the champions. But I'm talking about being worshipped by fan boys and fan girls alike for simply being around. Could most LoL fans name every TSM player by their real names? Compare that to everyone knowing Lee Young Ho, Greg Fields, Jang Min Chul.
This is a starcraft forum after all.
Stating such things is a bit redundant. Lee Young Ho and Greg Fields were famous in these forums before sc2. Who's Jang Min Chul?
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On June 16 2012 07:23 Micket wrote:
The thing unsustainable about LoL is that the fans and viewers are the players. Every game has a time limit and every one moves onto new games. WoW arena suffered the same fate. Once people get bored of LoL and move to other genres or other MOBAs, where is the audience going to be?
Do you think LoL could have 8 people come up on stage say one sentence and make the crowd go wild? It's hard to say. The magnitude of crowd hype and volume that arose, when Flash walked on stage is incomparable in all other esports. TSM players could hardly be called esports celebrities, because the fan base is there to watch LoL.
Sc2 player base is shrinking drastically every season, but the fan base is growing and growing and growing.
Have you seen sports like basketball? People become fans of a team. Even in Brood War most people supported a team instead of just individual players. They may be hyped up by a player like Kobe or Jaedong but support is mostly for a team. Also, there is no reason there can't be hype for individual players in other esports. In counter strike, there are players like Get_Right and Markeloff who are well known even if it is a team game.
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On June 16 2012 07:40 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 07:27 arb wrote:On June 16 2012 07:23 Micket wrote:
The thing unsustainable about LoL is that the fans and viewers are the players. Every game has a time limit and every one moves onto new games. WoW arena suffered the same fate. Once people get bored of LoL and move to other genres or other MOBAs, where is the audience going to be?
Do you think LoL could have 8 people come up on stage say one sentence and make the crowd go wild? It's hard to say. The magnitude of crowd hype and volume that arose, when Flash walked on stage is incomparable in all other esports. TSM players could hardly be called esports celebrities, because the fan base is there to watch LoL.
Sc2 player base is shrinking drastically every season, but the fan base is growing and growing and growing. I wish you had watched MLG I believe it was last week, the fans shouting for TSM sounded as loud as any SC2 event i've heard. After they won yes, it is natural to cheer for the champions. But I'm talking about being worshipped by fan boys and fan girls alike for simply being around. Could most LoL fans name every TSM player by their real names? Compare that to everyone knowing Lee Young Ho, Greg Fields, Jang Min Chul.
I could name more LoL players than Starcraft players.
And koreans use their names instead of their ID, so it's a pretty cheap comparison...
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you bw crybabies are fuckin' pathetic. happy that your bw heroes playing now a fucking joke of a game called LoL just to bash sc2 more. grow up morons. you bw pros will probably not be better than a random pro from the US because the skill celling in this game is so fucking low haha, retards.
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Nice, hopefully they do well with their new career.
They probably chose LoL because there are Korean leagues and they probably wanted to experience something new. Don't know why people are reading so much into it
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On June 15 2012 23:01 Count9 wrote:
I always thought this would be the natural transition for players that are below A-class (cept the ones that jumped ship super early) since all the S/A-class BW players will most likely transition to SC2 and along with the SC2 players makes a very saturated market of high skilled or experienced players whereas with a much easier game like LoL there's a lot of room for their BW mechanics to kick in and stuff.
I don't think that's a problem. It's more of an even playing field now with the transition to sc2. They would be more competitive if they just stayed on their teams and practised sc2.
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On June 16 2012 07:44 kratos-23 wrote:
you bw crybabies are fuckin' pathetic. happy that your bw heroes playing now a fucking joke of a game called LoL just to bash sc2 more. grow up morons. you bw pros will probably not be better than a random pro from the US because the skill celling in this game is so fucking low haha, retards.
I think someone is agitated.
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On June 16 2012 07:44 kratos-23 wrote:
you bw crybabies are fuckin' pathetic. happy that your bw heroes playing now a fucking joke of a game called LoL just to bash sc2 more. grow up morons. you bw pros will probably not be better than a random pro from the US because the skill celling in this game is so fucking low haha, retards.
lol..calm down dude..everyone is sad..it's not looking good for either of our games
but skill ceiling talk is funny..lol
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I actually like how a lot of the BW pros are moving to LoL. SC2 is a step backwards in terms of money involved and popularity of the game compared to BW. While LoL won't necessarily gain the same level of professionalism that BW had, I can easily understand how it's a more attractive option than SC2.
GL to these guys, and I sure hope to see future Khan members on the same team.
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The BW forum is so mature  Anytime a thread like this appears in blogs or general it just descends into a flamewar, but here 95% of the posters are incredibly reasonable and understanding.
I'm very curious to see what these ex-BW pros will bring to LOL. As many have pointed out, mechanics aren't as big a deal - but their training habits and mental strength would be incredibly valuable. A lot of top teams seem to 'tilt' when things start going badly - maybe the BW players can avoid this.
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On June 16 2012 08:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I actually like how a lot of the BW pros are moving to LoL. SC2 is a step backwards in terms of money involved and popularity of the game compared to BW. While LoL won't necessarily gain the same level of professionalism that BW had, I can easily understand how it's a more attractive option than SC2.
GL to these guys, and I sure hope to see future Khan members on the same team.
BW wasn't really professional when it first started either was it? I didn't get into BW till recently but watching all the old videos it didn't seem the same as it is now.
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Korean LoL scene continues to grow stronger. I expect it won't be long until they start fully dominating the market. Only issue is the cost of sending 5 players to foreign events is expensive.
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dota2 where art thee in the korean scene? T_T
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On June 15 2012 18:06 M2 wrote:
arent progamers like grape loosing some of their competitive adavntage in games like LoL, Dota? I mean their hand speed, reaction time maybe even practicing habits will not pay off in a game where the team play is way more valuable, people that are pretty good, not exceptional, but have good team strategy will most likely have what it takes to take a game. In individual games like sc1, sc2 their individual skills will shine so much more
Well, they're already losing some of that mechanical edge in SC2, and the SC2 scene is full of people who are playing it as fast as it can be played. LoL has less competition from a mechanics standpoint, I think.
LoL is also a lot bigger in Korea than SC2 is, and it's a more rapidly growing scene since it's fairly new.
Plus, maybe they flat-out don't like SC2, for any number of reasons.
On June 16 2012 08:11 Tal wrote:The BW forum is so mature Anytime a thread like this appears in blogs or general it just descends into a flamewar, but here 95% of the posters are incredibly reasonable and understanding.
BW forumites like LoL a lot more than the SC2 section does.
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On June 16 2012 08:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
dota2 where art thee in the korean scene? T_T
Maybe when it gets out of Beta and is released for real.
I wonder if its free-to-play, hat-marketplace system will find success in the Asian markets, especially in Korea.
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Good luck to Brave, Grape and point. I'm guessing Stork may join them after this season = (
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If Byung Goo switches, that will be my cue to discover LoL. GL to Grape and company!!!
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On June 16 2012 08:51 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 08:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
dota2 where art thee in the korean scene? T_T Maybe when it gets out of Beta and is released for real. I wonder if its free-to-play, hat-marketplace system will find success in the Asian markets, especially in Korea.
Dota 2 will not be a pay-to-win game. All the items in the store are cosmetic, and don’t affect gameplay.
All of the heroes will be available free of charge. We believe restricting player access to heroes could be destructive to game design, so it’s something we plan to avoid.
http://blog.dota2.com/2012/06/introducing-the-dota-store/
It will be more f2p than lol because you will have all the champions from the start, but I think Dota2 require a better PC than what LoL does, you should be able to run Dota2 on very low graphics so I don't think it will be a problem.
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On June 16 2012 09:26 RainSunShowers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 08:51 eviltomahawk wrote:On June 16 2012 08:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
dota2 where art thee in the korean scene? T_T Maybe when it gets out of Beta and is released for real. I wonder if its free-to-play, hat-marketplace system will find success in the Asian markets, especially in Korea. Show nested quote +Dota 2 will not be a pay-to-win game. All the items in the store are cosmetic, and don’t affect gameplay.
All of the heroes will be available free of charge. We believe restricting player access to heroes could be destructive to game design, so it’s something we plan to avoid. http://blog.dota2.com/2012/06/introducing-the-dota-store/It will be more f2p than lol because you will have all the champions from the start, but I think Dota2 require a better PC than what LoL does, you should be able to run Dota2 on very low graphics so I don't think it will be a problem.
I do know about how they are not selling anything that affects gameplay so it won't be pay-to-win, but I'm just worried that maybe only selling cosmetic items won't be enough to sustain the game in the long-term. I'm sure that LoL gets a lot of money from players who buy champions and other items to boost their in-game performance, so I'm kinda nervous if not enough players end up buying cosmetic upgrades to make DotA2 financially viable. But then again, Valve has a lot of other projects to back themselves up.
But this is really digressing from this thread's topic. Anyways, I wonder if DotA2's release will cause a big shakeup in the Korean scene, especially with LoL becoming a juggernaut.
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I wonder how they'll do.... now, LoL has little mechanical skill required. Kind of makes me sad at the wasted potential.. Grape was so awesome
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