EPTI agree with your suspicions on unforgiven, but his play is so ridiculously erratic that I have no clue about his alignment. The obvious thing going for him is the d1 lynch on suki and I would be really surprised if scum actually decided to bus/sacrifice their roleblocker without being sure that we do not have blue roles... That's pretty much the only thing that stops me from voting him off.
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
I agree with your suspicions on unforgiven, but his play is so ridiculously erratic that I have no clue about his alignment. The obvious thing going for him is the d1 lynch on suki and I would be really surprised if scum actually decided to bus/sacrifice their roleblocker without being sure that we do not have blue roles... That's pretty much the only thing that stops me from voting him off. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
-Not much content despite being pretty active in thread -Wants to look contributing (lists) but actually does not much. -Easily swayed from his own opinion -Soft-defense of suki during the d1-lynch and trying to deflect attention onto unforgiven -Always going with the flow of the thread, never going against it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I get that his play is erratic, but here's what keeps tripping me up. It's all over the place except helpful. Think...ohh...Anacletus? From our other newbie game. Really erratic posting. Yet it was a mix of scummy stuff and townie stuff constantly. Making ridiculous cases on people, being defensive, getting pissed off at being ignored, etc. (I know you got shot early but I think you read that one out iirc from obsQT). I don't get that from Unforgiven. I don't ever see him flailing around on the townie side of things after that suki case which didn't even seem like a case. Gotta think on the roleblocker bit, and WILL be reading over you and Xatalos, and some other stuff. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
You are right on the lack of helpful townie seeming stuff. Especially paired up with the lack of activity/interest he shows, it does warrant suspicion. But for now I would much rather go after Xatalos. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
Vote for heist, then vote for Xatalos and we will win. trust me. The reason my lasts post are so short is because im posting from my phone. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
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ShiaoPi
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
votes he would get lynchedm this system is different, you need half+1 | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:00 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Shiaopi, change your vote for heist too plz. Give me good reasons to do this | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
he wanted to guide me and kindly told me how the town need it to know my reads When me and soltice got it right, he went apeshit agressive (as far as i remember). Unlike the super-detectives we have in here (lolz metagame) i want you to read for yourself his filter and his behavior in all the game. Also, Xatalos wants to gain town credit voting for heist, maybe heist doesnt have time to play and he would gladly sacrifice for the team, seeing the game is ending Xatalos wants to assure N2-N3 kill, D3-D4 misslynch | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Seriously why don't you just put some effort behind it instead of just saying "I'm right, yay me!" | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I found his voting scummy. However, I found it odd because he swapped to Unforgiven and that seemed like a play to have a non-Suki candidate in the mix now that Ange was back and did not seem like a legitimate target. However, given that I now feel like I do about Unforgiven, and given that Ange found him scummy while pushing suki (I feel like as her replacement I should try and put myself in her shoes for D1), I'm willing to believe that town could find both suki and unforgiven scummy. Ange happened to find suki scummier at first, voted her, FoSed unforgiven. Heist happened to find Unforgiven scummier early, voted him, then later suki. I don't find that bussing comment scummy, as I've said. Therefore, I don't want to vote heist today (However, I'd like for him to, you know, contribute here). However, I sought some non-tunneling coaching, and after considering that, I need to consider a heist lynch. Can you guys give me like...your number 1 reason besides the voting pattern and the bussing comment that you find Heist scummy? On golden/ShiaoPi Starting with Xatalos's initial post - + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 22:02 Xatalos wrote: ShiaoPi Nothing that would really make me think he's town (except his recent activity), but plenty to make me think he's Mafia: - Vaguely defensive of suki (a confirmed Mafia) and also quite defensive of heist (another pretty likely Mafia at this point) - Comfortable with voting Vivax for the whole Day 2... Then suddenly he's a neutral read just before deadline?? What the heck? How does self-voting make him look townish? Looks more like he was already planning for an escape route from the flip's fallout than actually reading Vivax as neutral all of a sudden. - Suspecting Eishi_Ki with pretty flimsy reasoning (just suki saying he's town?) - Suspecting me for having too little content, although if he had bothered to look at my previous newbie game (as vanilla townie), I had much less content compared to "filler" in that game - I think I've done a MUCH better job this time around on avoiding spam/filler, but it's just my nature, I like to write even if there's not too much to say I'll be voting for heist or ShiaoPi on Day 3, unless something very drastic happens. On June 06 2012 06:59 sciberbia wrote: I think it's likely I die tonight, so here are my (possible) last words + Show Spoiler + I understand you weren't all convinced about heist based on my arguments yesterday, but hopefully seeing the flips of Vivax, superouman and (possibly) me, you'll now be willing to lynch him. I don't really have anything new to say about him; just reread my filter. No amount of defense will convince me he's not mafia. Given that heist flips red, I think shiaopi is very likely the last mafia and I'd request that you lynch him. Here are some points against him: - golden's behavior toward me in the beginning was suspicious. He said that he wasn't really expecting a bandwagon to form, but he seemed really ready & willing to cast a vote on me if my defense wasn't good. - golden said he'd be willing to lynch 4 people, all of which I think are town - golden's defense of suki was really scummy - shiaopi is defensive of heist, who I'm pretty sure is mafia - shiaopi's stance on vivax went from "maybe there is a slight chance of him being a bad townie" to "wtf no idea" pretty quickly If heist/shiaopi are not both mafia, I'm not really sure who is. I'm leaning at least slightly town on eveybody else, but I'd probably go with either miltonkram or eishi_ki. Golden's posts: Sorry Shiao, you're stuck with them. You/Golden are the same alignment, Ange/I am the same alignment. You got dealt the crappier hand there. Golden DID lightly defend suki early on. However, when I look at the timing, he did so before the convincing cases had been made. I'm going to give him a little credit for that, because he didn't defend suki after suki was really taking a pounding. ShiaoPi's vote on Vivax: I did the same thing, but didn't publicize it. Heck, I did the same thing in my last newbie game every time I pushed someone that ended up town. Sinking feeling 5-10 minutes before lynch, but telling yourself there's no time to do anything, and if you were sure yesterday, and sure that morning, shouldn't you just listen to past self? At the very least, I don't get anything from this. YES, Shiao could be mafia trying to get cred. OR, Shiao is town and had doubts. Either is plausible. Suspecting Eishi_Ki - Suki soft defended Eishi_Ki like crazy earlier. One of the more surprising things I found while rereading. Like...3 times or so? Frankly, Eishi_Ki hasn't done much. If his filter was full, Suki's posts wouldn't stand out like they do. With so little to work with on Eishi_Ki, I agree with Shiao that the Suki posts make him look bad. So, I'm not finding Shiao scummy off of that. Suspecting Xatalos: Your filter is baaaaaaad on that count Xatalos. I haven't checked old game yet. But you're constantly moderating. Constantly asking people for thoughts, giving someone a gold star for a good post. It looked bad to me as well, before I really read through you and Shiao's stuff today. So again, I saw the same thing, not finding it scummy. sciberbia's points were mostly the same - the suki defense, the vivax vote/doubts, the defense of heist. Not really finding ShiaoPi scummy right now. Again, I wasted too much time this game day, so I'm going ahead and posting these two. Post on the case against xatalos coming soon. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Votecount so far: heist ( 3 ): Xatalos, unforgiven_ve, Miltonkram Xatalos ( 1 ): ShiaoPi, unforgiven_ve ( 1 ): austinmcc, It's Day3. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch! About 2.5 hours left to vote, voting is mandatory! People who haven't voted yet (2): Eishi_Ki, Heist Deadline is 22:30 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Also, unforgiven, you are right and I am wrong. Our last newbie game was plurality. We were NOT extended majority and I'm imagining things. Right now, and maybe it's a bad reason, but the voting itself makes me not like the heist vote. IF both mafia members have voted, that means (because i know I'm town, therefore 2 of the other 4 votes in the game are mafia, yada yada) that there is mafia on heist. If one or both mafia are heist/eishi, then that doesn't hold true. With extended majority and two players not voting/posting yet, can we ask how the lynch/majority/modkills will work? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Out of the Xatalos/Shiao cases, I like the case on Xatalos better. Sorry man, you don't look good. Leaving work now. Right now I am very, very worried about heist and eishi_ki. I don't like early suki/eishi_ki bits. Others think heist is scummy. The door is so wide open for mafia to come in at the last moment and push a townie over the edge, even if just one lurker is mafia. There are so many situations where IF we mislynch, we lose, because 1-2 players could get modkilled. In light of that, right now I am leaning towards no-lynching. Yes, it's normally suboptimal, but if: (1) one/neither of our no-shows is mafia, (2) anyone other than a mafia member has 2 votes, then (3) it could be game over. Mafia both drop the hammer on the 2-vote player, he has 4, lynched. One or both no-shows get modkilled, maybe. Then the NK. Poof. 2/2 or 1/2, we lose. If we no lynch and both lurkers are townies, we could still lose. Both could be modkilled, then NK, now it's 2/2, This is awful. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
that way we get information, and i dont think mod will kill 2 players at once, we have 1 game day left (2 tops)...he should le them live and see if they comeback | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
I'm still for lynching heist, because he might be just waiting for his time to vote at the last minute. Then again, if he'll just get modkilled, it wouldn't make a difference either way. If we assume that Eishi_Ki is town and getting modkilled (so inactive, I don't have my hopes up for him appearing...): A) heist is Mafia and waiting to vote just before the deadline: in this case we should definitely lynch him B) heist is town/Mafia and simply not online: in this case it doesn't matter either way, he'll just get modkilled Looking at these two options, I see absolutely no harm in lynching heist. He already has 3 votes, and we agreed to lynch every day at the start. austinmcc, your vote for Unforgiven_ve is basically a vote for no-lynch at this point. So why not vote for heist in case situation A happened to be true? A no-lynch would lead to the same result as voting for heist in situation B, but a no-lynch would lead to Mafia victory in case A. | ||
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