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On May 19 2012 01:06 zelblade wrote:
Also I find the fact that people are using "Sentinel is a VT anyway, if we lose him we lose the least" as a scummy and lousy reason for their vote. Apply actual analysis instead of basing it on the potential loss please.
Well I still disagree with the situation that we have to lynch into one of the three but at least that sentence is worth a fucking medal.
Finally I feel like I'm not the only one realizing what's going on (Palmar and Sandro know what's going on as well but Sandro somehow ended up saying "Sent CAN NOT BE MAFIA, therefore we lynch him" which I don't understand) but sadly you have to show people that they are wrong by lynching the mod-confirmed townie and shove his green head up their way and yell "SEE?!?! SEEE?!?!?!".
Sad thing that's how tl mafia works these days, so let us lynch the townie today and start off d2 anew with everyone realizing how stupid this lynch was. That way people might consider something else.
If people are willing to lynch into someone with the reason "at least he WILL (!) flip VT". not even giving him a good chance to flip mafia, there's really not much to say about this that could change peoples opinion. It's not getting any more obvious, ever, and we'll have to go through with this at this point...
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So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?
Also Palmar please dont use the pardoner power especially today. Whilst it possible the situation gets handled at night I dont want the flips to get covered assuming that janitor is in the game, and if all 3 are left alive the same shit will happen tomorrow.
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you like to talk huh zel?
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On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
you like to talk huh zel?
A little hyprotical considering how all you have done is:
1) Manage to screw the plan, resulting in this complete mess
2) Spam a ton of one-liners
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I just can't believe that a town marv or town risk could be this arrogant to the thought process of the rest of town. Your role claims can help us lynch scum today.
marv who do you want to lynch
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I want to lynch sandroba for wilfully misreading the thread when he's supposed to be a pro/vet scumhunter. I don't feel like it's a mistake that someone of his stature should make as town.
I do not know how to choose between risk and sentinel.
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So you have zero opinions on the shitstorm you created? You say that you are relatively sure that by insisting that you would take janitor/cpr the players above you would be "kept in line". Did you honestly believe that risk would follow the plan at that time?
Because I highly doubt so.
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On May 19 2012 01:41 zelblade wrote:
So you have zero opinions on the shitstorm you created? You say that you are relatively sure that by insisting that you would take janitor/cpr the players above you would be "kept in line". Did you honestly believe that risk would follow the plan at that time?
Because I highly doubt so.
For the third, and final time. How does me knowing whether I'm telling the truth give me any insight to whether risk or sentinel is lying?
Also just generally
On May 17 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 17 2012 04:55 talismania wrote:On May 17 2012 04:20 Toadesstern wrote:
OH and @slOosh please flip a coin or true-randomize it somehow like that. Please don't get influenced by this risk-shit and think that you have to choose Janitor know that risk has told people that he might not choose Janitor. It is very much possible (although incredibly paranoid^^) that that is the goal for mafia right now.
So please, pick randomely no matter what What? Where is this post coming from - what does sloosh have to do with the janitor pick? Oh I looked at page 1 for the drafting results. He's the 3rd who signed up 8( Was talking about marv. I RNGed my role between the two and sent it in shortly after (decunduo?) summarised the benefits. So slOosh's 'untainted' comment applies to me too I guess
Added to this that Sentinel claimed that he would pick janitor as risk was possibly not cooperating. decunduo apparently choose CPR as he agreed with the plan, and the failsafe on risk was Sentinel. I was just an extra failsafe claiming I had RNGed my role. I did not foresee events as they turned out.
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I don't actually intend to pardon people.
From where I stand at the moment, Sentinel's claim makes absolutely no sense from mafia perspective.
If we try to solve the puzzle given Sentinel is mafia, he basically has forced a triangle of lynch between him, risk and marv. This makes almost no sense at all because the mafia is already weak after getting deconduo shot 5 minutes into the game.
The other two at the moment make much more sense.
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What we can be certain of is that there is a mafia in that group, because the stories don't add up.
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Even with a traitor in place, I just can't believe mafia would risk their team getting down to 2 members in day 1. Sentinel is very likely not the scum here, although I need to affirm my position through further reading.
When is the lynch?
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If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?
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On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?
Is anyone actually doing this?
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On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?
Assuming I reach the conclusion Sentinel is indeed not scum, which seems the most likely, it simply says they're either mafia or dumb town, probably more likely dumb town, for the most part.
Roles are not important at all, all you need is your vote and your brain. But some people (look at marv and risk for prime examples) think that roles are very important for town to succeed. Aside from KP roles I don't actually like many roles in this list.
One of those two is probably mafia with the janitor role, the hesitation in claiming a role is because it's risky as there may be someone with the role below them, it's VERY hard to claim a role for those two guys without telling the truth. The problem is that the other probably stubborn town, and is playing to win for the mafia, unless of course one of them is the traitor and another is scum, or something ridiculous like that.
The simple explanation to me is that Sentinel is telling the truth, scum doesn't initiate this kind of shit. One of the other two is the janitor, and the third guys is a stubborn bad townie.
We'll see if things are as straightforward as they seem.
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On May 19 2012 01:58 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?
Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? Is anyone actually doing this?
Barundar and Misder seem to be implying something in that direction, although not as blatantly as zelblade suggested.
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On May 19 2012 01:20 zelblade wrote:
So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?
Also Palmar please dont use the pardoner power especially today. Whilst it possible the situation gets handled at night I dont want the flips to get covered assuming that janitor is in the game, and if all 3 are left alive the same shit will happen tomorrow.
I tried to do that yesterday and Sandro ended up putting me on his ignore list agreeing with me and voting for senti as well
while saying "we probably should no-lynch thought"
hinthint: it's the same sandro that says stuff like
[23.04.2012 19:19:06] Sandro Maculan: hmm yeah it might be
[23.04.2012 19:19:14] Sandro Maculan: it's non optimal though
[23.04.2012 19:19:27] Sandro Maculan: i really like to optimize stuff
[23.04.2012 19:19:31] Sandro Maculan: specially day'
[23.04.2012 19:19:33] Sandro Maculan: 1
But yeah, whatever, lynching a modconfirmed townie obviously is optimal play d1 and if that's not possible one should nolynch instead. Very much optimal play in my book as well.
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My point is still that sentinel accidently put himself in this situation by not thinking his shit through then he had to play along with it. And after that he panicked and bailed. If sentinel is town, why isn't he here defending himself, proposing ideas, scumhunting between me and marv?
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On May 19 2012 01:34 Mattchew wrote:
I just can't believe that a town marv or town risk could be this arrogant to the thought process of the rest of town. Your role claims can help us lynch scum today.
marv who do you want to lynch
Risk is the KING of arrogance. The KING
Even more than palmar because palmar gets annoyed at some point and will just shut up because of that and be like "whatever, let's lynch a townie" after nonstop talking to a wall for 12 hours.
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