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Confirmed BW Progamers race transition - Page 13
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Schmoooopy
United States448 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
I really, really hope that the BW pros are going to crush the current competition. | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 11 2012 12:35 Forikorder wrote: if this is accurate BW then like everything ive ever heard about BW is false 2-3 years to get back to the same level of skillin SC2 they have in BW, theyll be competitive in SC2 within a year There is a lot of mis-information about BW. Also TvP is often 1 Rax FE, Siege Expand, FD (fake double), or 5 marine fact (no addon) expand, then depending on what you scout throw down an ebay, or another fact, and go light pressure off 2 fact with a few vultures (while tanks are defending nat) while getting a 3rd. You sometimes see 3rds off 1 fact but its very greedy, above 2 fact often results in a timing attack unless Terran has scanned Protoss with a lot of gateways. 3 base 2-1 timing attack to get map-control for 4th is usually the main goal. Sometimes you will see Flash get a 3rd, and a proxy 4th at the same time, or slam down 2 more facts and go some crazy timing, that's why hes so deadly. He's brilliant at cheese and late-late game, which gives him huge leverage in terms of mind-games. He's the Tom Dwan of BW. On May 11 2012 13:06 NotSorry wrote: Now if only we could get any of them to stream Sc2 or BW There are BW re-streams of Hiya or Savior up on the side-panel sometimes. Look up ShowMeTheMSL on youtube. | ||
rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:12 sluggaslamoo wrote: There is a lot of mis-information about BW. Also TvP is often 1 Rax FE, Siege Expand, FD (fake double), or 5 marine fact (no addon) expand, then depending on what you scout throw down an ebay, or another fact, and go light pressure off 2 fact with a few vultures (while tanks are defending nat) while getting a 3rd. You sometimes see 3rds off 1 fact but its very greedy, above 2 fact often results in a timing attack unless Terran has scanned Protoss with a lot of gateways. 3 base 2-1 timing attack to get map-control for 4th is usually the main goal. Sometimes you will see Flash get a 3rd, and a proxy 4th at the same time, or slam down 2 more facts and go some crazy timing, that's why hes so deadly. He's brilliant at cheese and late-late game, which gives him huge leverage in terms of mind-games. He's the Tom Dwan of BW. There are BW re-streams of Hiya or Savior up on the side-panel sometimes. Look up ShowMeTheMSL on youtube. i thought things like 5fac timings were still popular vs fast third... to be fair i zone out pretty hard if it's a non-Z matchup in proleague and the last few tvps i remember seeing in osl weren't really standard lol | ||
NET
United States703 Posts
Bisu stuck with the right race. The Dark Templar master remains. | ||
sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:40 rauk wrote: i thought things like 5fac timings were still popular vs fast third... to be fair i zone out pretty hard if it's a non-Z matchup in proleague and the last few tvps i remember seeing in osl weren't really standard lol That's because in pretty much every match-up except ZvZ and ZvT (not TvZ because TvZ was changing but Z's side was not) the metagame was still very much evolving. That evolution of gameplay has now been cut off forever. | ||
Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:46 NET wrote: Yes FBH is Protoss! So much win! Bisu stuck with the right race. The Dark Templar master remains. Inca might fight him for that title. | ||
imanoobcs
184 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:35 Leth0 wrote: As a self hating zerg I agree with the BW assesment of zerg's weakness =P Haha I noticed this when reading the article, and to see someone say exactly what I was thinking is awesome. | ||
Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:11 peekn wrote: Terran going to get another huge influx of skill, at least we got FBH and Jangbi I really, really hope that the BW pros are going to crush the current competition. I wouldn't bet on it. Don't underestimate the sc2 pros bro... | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:40 rauk wrote: i thought things like 5fac timings were still popular vs fast third... to be fair i zone out pretty hard if it's a non-Z matchup in proleague and the last few tvps i remember seeing in osl weren't really standard lol In simplistic terms Flash build > Protoss delayed 3rd Base > 4 Fact > 2/3 Base Tech > Oov Build/Fact CC Fact > Rapid Expanding Protoss > Flash Build With the advances in PvT throughout 2007 and 2008 the only reliable playstyle came to be that of Flash, who singlehandedly upheld the Terran race with his fast upgrade, mass expand builds. However, by the beginning of 2009, weaknesses were shown in this style, most notably by Bisu who combined early timing attacks with quick third and fourth bases to retain the economical advantage. In order for Terrans to retain their edge in the matchup there needed to be a viable alternative to this that wasn't a timing push, for Protoss players had grown extremely adept at blocking those. I presume that at the time the Flash build must have been popular so Protoss were going 2 base arbiter double expands to compensate, resulting in Terran going 4-5 fact until Protoss figured how to properly time their expansions to defend against that. Or there were a lot of 12 nexus's in which the common response is bunker rush into 4 fact. Don't count on it | ||
Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
Team 8 Coach Han Sang-Yong states: No players in our team changed races. However, we are still keeping it into a consideration because the Zerg players are having a lot of trouble. ***** This has been stated from many players and coaches all over the BW teams that BW zerg players are having a hard time in SCII. Well. That wasnt something I was expecting from the mechanically superior BW zergs. I guess their making hydras ^^ | ||
dronefarm
United States260 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:35 Advocado wrote: Well. That wasnt something I was expecting from the mechanically superior BW zergs. I guess their making hydras ^^ I think it's just that the race doesn't feel very good. I don't know how to really put it into words, but it just doesn't feel like you can really leverage your multitask or superior speed or cool builds because the most profitable way to play is quickly invest in a lategame army and a lot of bases; you kind of just go for BL/infestor and crawl forward. It really is a totally different race in SC2, and I think a lot of the players who enjoyed playing zerg in BW aren't going to enjoy it as much in SC2. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:51 dronefarm wrote: I think it's just that the race doesn't feel very good. I don't know how to really put it into words, but it just doesn't feel like you can really leverage your multitask or superior speed or cool builds because the most profitable way to play is quickly invest in a lategame army and a lot of bases; you kind of just go for BL/infestor and crawl forward. It really is a totally different race in SC2, and I think a lot of the players who enjoyed playing zerg in BW aren't going to enjoy it as much in SC2. if only muta/ling was still possible | ||
awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:28 OpTicalRH wrote: SKT1 coach Park Yong Woon states: Our team has tried playing different races in SCII but since it was very hard to adapt I have asked to keep the original races. All of SKT1 players chose to play the same race as in BW. Whew! I was afraid Bisu was gonna switch to Terran there for a sec. Can't wait to see what these guys can do after 6 months of hardcore practice. | ||
Alvalanker
United States253 Posts
On May 11 2012 03:33 Nagano wrote: Expect HOTS to completely change Zerg's strength, with what vipers and swarm hosts and all the upgrades. These guys should just stick with what they're comfortable with rather than what they perceive now to be imbalance. Blizzard has already said Zerg won't be made any more "powerful" than the other races in HotS. | ||
Incanus
Canada695 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:25 Falling wrote: Well if you were used to muta micro and lurker-ling-dark swarm hopping, hydra storm dodging, and scourge micro, SC2 is going to be a pretty big shock to the system. Well said. The amount of BW ignorance here is impressive. Zerg in BW looks similar to SC2, but in fact the playstyle and feeling is nothing alike. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:06 Alvalanker wrote: Blizzard has already said Zerg won't be made any more "powerful" than the other races in HotS. They probably also intended for Terran to not be too powerful at the release of WoL. | ||
lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:07 Incanus wrote: Well said. The amount of BW ignorance here is impressive. Zerg in BW looks similar to SC2, but in fact the playstyle and feeling is nothing alike. To be honest, many times SC2 Zerg looks like SK Terran. Constantly mobile low tier units supported by some sci vessel/infestors depending on tempo and mass engagements to break down the opponents. They even rush for Tanks/Broods specifically to break defensive turtling. | ||
Acechi
United States50 Posts
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